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Harvard Hockey 2010-11

Set Lines?

Set Lines?

Let's not overlook the flexibility shown by the forward lines in the last couple of games. This was brought home to me after reading a post on the BU thread excerpted below.

Let me make clear that this poster has made detailed and perceptive analyses of other BU games and that his comments about last night's game were made objectively, not offered as excuses, any more than we on this thread were making excuses, as distinct from objective commentary, after Christina Kessler's injury last year. What he points to is how an injury to one or more top-line players throws off the chemistry of established forward lines.

Let me also say that if the coordinated play and tape-to-tape passes I observed the BU lines making last night were noticeably below BU's normal standard, then those lines' normal play must be a real thing of beauty. (As Harvard evidently found out in the BU game, which I missed).

Money quotes from the BU post are: "top three lines were all new due to the injuries to Holze and Poulin. For the third straight game a different player filled in for Holze, while Poulin�s and Lorms� lines were completely mixed up. With only two days to practice this showed, as many passes were off the mark throughout the game...."

We've often wondered on this thread why Harvard's line combinations have changed so frequently this season. Reasons we don't know about -- nagging injuries and illnesses, characteristics observed in practice, disciplinary issues, indiscreet tweets about opposing coaches (sorry, wrong sport) -- obviously affect players' playing time and they, combined with things like matchups against specific opponents' lines, affect line combinations. (Recall at the end of last year when the well-balanced second and third lines were restructured as a specialized production line and a specialized checking line, respectively).

So hats off to the team and the coaching staff that Wheeler, Fry and McDonald were able to share duty seamlessly and productively on the Buesser-Chute and Ryabkina-Dempsey lines last night. The team would have been sunk otherwise.
 
Re: An Era of Good Feelings

Re: An Era of Good Feelings

I really liked seeing Laura Bellamy's facial expression and body language while standing around the bench waiting for the shootout. She seemed to bubble with happiness. The other likely suspects for the shootout also appeared to be loose and confident.

Such nonchalence in a goaltender reminds me of seeing Joey Bertagna, after having come off the ice to give his backup some experience in a one-sided victory, sorting through a stack of bubblegum hockey cards on the bench, no doubt working on his fantasy NHL team. I've always wondered whether he secreted the stash of cards somewhere in his equipment, or had his backup hold them for him on the bench?

From the Globe story, it seemed like she was pretty psyched that the team rallied from the 3 goal deficit and that she now had a chance to thank them for bailing her out a little. Which is a pretty much fantastic attitude. All in all, I'm pretty impressed by this team's resiliency. Looking forward to good things from them.

On the flip side, the Huskies have to be wondering about why they cannot control 3 goal leads in the Beanpot opener, as IIRC, they led 4-1 in the 3rd against BU before the Terriers forced OT and the shootout. Only difference last year was that Northeastern won the shootout.
 
Re: Harvard Hockey 2010-11

I think a tie at Clarkson is a positive result, considering how well Clarkson had been playing.

I don't think losing a point to Dartmouth today is anything to worry about in terms of the No. 2 seed. Magic # is down to 3 points to lock it up. So if Harvard gets 2 points vs. SLU or Colgate or Cornell, then Dartmouth has to beat Colgate, Cornell, and win at Clarkson to take the No. 2 seed. If Harvard can't get 2 points the rest of the way and beat either SLU or Dartmouth, well then the team surely doesn't deserve the No. 2 seed!!
 
Re: Harvard Hockey 2010-11

I think a tie at Clarkson is a positive result, considering how well Clarkson had been playing.

I don't think losing a point to Dartmouth today is anything to worry about in terms of the No. 2 seed. Magic # is down to 3 points to lock it up. So if Harvard gets 2 points vs. SLU or Colgate or Cornell, then Dartmouth has to beat Colgate, Cornell, and win at Clarkson to take the No. 2 seed. If Harvard can't get 2 points the rest of the way and beat either SLU or Dartmouth, well then the team surely doesn't deserve the No. 2 seed!!

Agreed. I think if you are going to be the #2 seed in any conference you should win a majority of your remaining games as opposed to backing in because other teams lost. Prove you belong is what I say.

Regarding your earlier post on the NCAAs, would beating BC in the Beanpot, beating Cornell at home and making the ECAC tournament final get them in? Would they need help (oh oh, I just said that getting help wasn't the way to go!) to make it (you suggested a collapse by one or more teams like UND or UMD?). The gap between 8 and 9 does seem pretty imposing. I would think the Crimson have to win out and hope for some help. There I go again. Well, I can't help it. It would be nice to get another shot at Wisco even though they probably would steamroll us.
 
Re: Harvard Hockey 2010-11

yes, I think it's still possible to get an at-large berth. I just say winning the ECAC is the more likely route to NCAAs, because it's easier to win the ECAC tournament than it is for Harvard to win out up until the ECAC final.

I think they can get enough help. North Dakota could easily go winless against Wisconsin and Minnesota, and then go 2-2 or worse in the WCHA tourney, and BC could continue to post results like a draw against Maine. But I just haven't seen much to suggest Harvard can win out up until the ECAC final, but I can imagine Harvard winning a best-of-three home series, a home semi, and then pulling one upset (or someone else could upset Cornell and be drained for the final).
 
Re: ECAC Playoff Schedule

Re: ECAC Playoff Schedule

Another naive question (after not being aware that HE no longer has shootouts): are we sure we know the scheduling algorithm for the ECAC tourney? The Harvard athletics department website has recently erased it from the "Schedule" page without explanation. We've been assuming that the season standings will determine home ice all the way through the finals, but maybe now the NCAA is going to move the tournament to the Boardwalk Empire Auditorium in Atlantic City? Or has the team been disqualified or mathematically eliminated?

While I'm grousing about the athletics department website, I finally found that although information about last season isn't available with other past seasons on the "Archives" page, it can be accessed by clicking "Archives" on the "Schedule" page. Then I looked at the Clarkson games last year and wished I hadn't looked. Team has tied two and lost two at Cheel since 2008!
 
Re: Two Games Down; Four Seasons to Go

Re: Two Games Down; Four Seasons to Go

http://www.ecachockey.com/women/tournament/20110701_W_Tournament_Info
same as before, except semis-finals are Thu-Sat instead of Fri-Sun. Presumably less conflicts Thu night.
The WCHA is holding their semis and finals on Fri-Sat after doing Sat-Sun in recent years, so I wonder if the NCAA has encouraged moving deciding games up to give the selection committee more time in advance of the bracket announcement to sort through their details. Whatever the reason, I'm glad to get away from those early Sunday championship games that never seem to draw much of a crowd.
 
Re: A Parapatetic Tournament

Re: A Parapatetic Tournament

Thanks for the update! Otherwise I probably would have showed up on Friday and Sunday.

Good there's no conflict with the men's basketball game against Princeton at 7pm on March 5, which might involve an Ivy League championship and an NCAA Somewhat Sweet 64 bid.
 
All's Well That Ends Well

All's Well That Ends Well

In as close a game as you can imagine, Jillian Dempsey scores with 7 seconds left in overtime against St. Lawrence for a 3-2 outcome.

Somehow the Crimson emerge with three points out of their trip to the North Pole, but as the Duke of Wellington said of the Battle of Waterloo, it was the ****edest near run thing you ever saw.
 
Re: All's Well That Ends Well

Re: All's Well That Ends Well

In as close a game as you can imagine, Jillian Dempsey scores with 7 seconds left in overtime against St. Lawrence for a 3-2 outcome.

Somehow the Crimson emerge with three points out of their trip to the North Pole, but as the Duke of Wellington said of the Battle of Waterloo, it was the ****edest near run thing you ever saw.

great game---- Harvard should be in good shape for beanpot Tuesday----- may have to make a trip out
 
Re: All's Well That Ends Well

Re: All's Well That Ends Well

In as close a game as you can imagine, Jillian Dempsey scores with 7 seconds left in overtime against St. Lawrence for a 3-2 outcome.

Somehow the Crimson emerge with three points out of their trip to the North Pole, but as the Duke of Wellington said of the Battle of Waterloo, it was the ****edest near run thing you ever saw.

Not only that but the Crimson scored two of their goals including the winner you refer to in the last 15 seconds of the period or game. Talk about cutting it close. But this sets us up in pretty good shape assuming we beat Colgate or Dartmouth falls to Cornell (both likely scenarios). Then the Cornell game doesn't hold the same weight unless we are talking about possible NCAA berths which at this point seems like a long shot.
 
Re: Harvard Hockey 2010-11

Sure, the Cornell game probably won't mean much for conference or NCAA standings, but it's important to build some momentum heading into the postseason. Harvard has yet to prove it's capable of competing with the best teams in the country, having played Cornell/Minnesota/BU/BC before break and none of the games were all that close. Also, Harvard got smoked in their own barn in the NCAAs last time Cornell was in town. Hopefully by now this team knows it has to do better and can do better. This game should be a lot more important than points and standings.

I'm reminded of the Giants playing the undefeated Patriots to close out the 2007 regular season. The Giants were nothing until they proved they could play with the Patriots in that "meaningless" game, and then they went on to beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. That's what Harvard needs out of that last Cornell game.
 
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Re: Harvard Hockey 2010-11

Sure, the Cornell game probably won't mean much for conference or NCAA standings, but it's important to build some momentum heading into the postseason. Harvard has yet to prove it's capable of competing with the best teams in the country, having played Cornell/Minnesota/BU/BC before break and none of the games were all that close. Also, Harvard got smoked in their own barn in the NCAAs last time Cornell was in town. Hopefully by now this team knows it has to do better and can do better. This game should be a lot more important than points and standings.

I'm reminded of the Giants playing the undefeated Patriots to close out the 2007 regular season. The Giants were nothing until they proved they could play with the Patriots in that "meaningless" game, and then they went on to beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. That's what Harvard needs out of that last Cornell game.

Also overlooking the fact that us fans will be ecstatic if the last game of the year, Harvard sends Cornell to its first league loss (well, I will be at least). Sure it would be better to come in the championship game but no reason not to get it now as well.

Add to that it's senior day and I actually think that game will have a lot of meaning for both teams.
 
Re: Harvard Hockey 2010-11

Tonight's game will be on WHRB starting at 7:45 if you can't make it. I'll be in the stands (rare night off) at Conte Forum if you are around. I'm looking forward to it, BC is very talented and I enjoy seeing Stack and Schaus play but Harvard is playing some tremendous hockey right now and much like the men did last night, I'd love to see the women's avenge an earlier season loss in the final round (although both games will be road games, as opposed to a road loss and neutral win like the men had the chance at.)
 
Re: Harvard Hockey 2010-11

Sure, the Cornell game probably won't mean much for conference or NCAA standings, but it's important to build some momentum heading into the postseason. Harvard has yet to prove it's capable of competing with the best teams in the country, having played Cornell/Minnesota/BU/BC before break and none of the games were all that close. Also, Harvard got smoked in their own barn in the NCAAs last time Cornell was in town. Hopefully by now this team knows it has to do better and can do better. This game should be a lot more important than points and standings.

I'm reminded of the Giants playing the undefeated Patriots to close out the 2007 regular season. The Giants were nothing until they proved they could play with the Patriots in that "meaningless" game, and then they went on to beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. That's what Harvard needs out of that last Cornell game.

No question that beating Cornell will give Harvard a big boost heading into the playoffs. It would have been nice to beat BC last night but the game sounded like it was relatively close until the third period. That is in stark contrast to the games in December when Harvard wasn't competitive outside the conference.

The Giants-Pats analogy still hurts but is relevant to this post because if Harvard has learned its lessons and can apply them going forward, they have a chance to upset Cornell and possibly make it to the NCAAs.
 
Re: Harvard Hockey 2010-11

Harvard will have to play beyond it's "A" game and maintain that intensity to even stay even. I keep gawking at the talent amassed in the one location. How do they do that? Again, how do they do that? Unless we learn (how...) we are destined to witness-only witness-a run away! Year after year. Dartmouth plays them at home tomorrow night. Sure, I have imagined an upset. Go Green Go!
 
Re: Harvard Hockey 2010-11

Harvard will have to play beyond it's "A" game and maintain that intensity to even stay even. I keep gawking at the talent amassed in the one location. How do they do that? Again, how do they do that? Unless we learn (how...) we are destined to witness-only witness-a run away! Year after year. Dartmouth plays them at home tomorrow night. Sure, I have imagined an upset. Go Green Go!

I agree there's little to suggest Dartmouth or Harvard will overcome Cornell this weekend or ECACs when it counts most.

Harvard & Dartmouth's performance on the SLU/Clarkson road trip was as good or better than Cornell's recently. That's all that gives me reason to think these games might be close. But that was probably Cornell's worst weekend of the season -- don't think we'll see that again.
 
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