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Harvard Crimson Women 2012-2013

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One thing I don't understand about RPI. Holy Cross and St. Anselm are listed in the RPI even though they haven't played nearly as many games against ranked opponents under consideration for an RPI ranking. How can this be?
Ignore Holy Cross and St. Anselm. They don't play enough D-I games to be Teams Under Consideration. I don't know how games with them are handled in the RPI, but my guess is that they are dropped. Typically teams in the NCAA picture don't play the Sacred Heart type of teams anyway, and that's where Holy Cross and St. Anselm may be introduced.
 
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Hey, I'm coming in late to the conversation here regarding Hux's comment about the Ivies splitting off to form their own conference and get their own Auto-Bid :) It is ironic because that kind of talk is what got Hockey East started on the men's side back in '83. The Ivies wanted to split off from the rather unwieldy 17 team ECAC so the newly forged Hockey East schools said the heck with that and left to start their own conference before getting left in the dust. And then Hockey East starts a women's division in 2002...granted there is a 20 year lapse before the women's division was formed, thanks to the upgrade from club to D1 for several schools. But essentially talk of the Ivies splitting off led to the foundation of Hockey East.

http://www.hockeyeastonline.com/men/hea/index.php

I know Hux was kidding when he said the Ivies should/could split off and form their own conference. Personally I think they would be crazy to do that as the ECAC is pretty well balanced with academics, travel, and competition between the member schools.

Go Green Go!
 
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Tough game tonight against the Saints. This one could have gone Harvard's way if they hadn't shot so many pucks wide of the net. Missed like 10 or 12 shots.

The Crimson looked tired in this game. For stretches in the second period, they stood around and watched as SLU took the game to them. I think Harvard's lack of depth and the schedule is finally catching up to them. The D looked particularly vulnerable even though they only allowed 14 shots to SLU. Harvard had some jump but SLU ruled the boards and got physical particularly with Jillian Dempsey who took a beating in this game. There were at least four or five penalties that should have been called against the Saints tonight that were completely overlooked by the refs. Harvard got away with a couple but SLU was definitely lucky in that respect.

Harvard's passing was sloppy at times and they lacked the crispness and precision we've come to expect. Again that might have to do with the fact that they are playing so many games in a condensed time period.

I really hope Harvard has something left in the tank for tomorrow or that Dartmouth forced Clarkson to play a tough game up in Hanover. Otherwise, we could be in for a long afternoon. Still hoping we can finish first but it doesn't look good at the moment.

Kalley Armstrong has a concussion and it is not known when she will be back if at all this season. Big blow to the team as they are struggling to find the net. Been a tough year with personnel losses but you can't make excuses. Still I doubt any other team in the conference could be this successful with what we have had to deal with this season.

Saw Jo Pucci before the game. She is such a wonderful person and a credit to the University. She seems in very good spirits and her recovery is going very well.
 
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Clarkson Harvard game should be a low scoring game IMHO. First team to 2 probably wins this one.
 
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Well, you hope Harvard was just conserving energy Friday and will have more than enough for Saturday.

So pretty much, win =first, tie=second, loss=third.

If the game were tied with 15 seconds left and you had a faceoff in the Clarkson zone, would you consider pulling the goalie? Probably not since there's still plenty to lose, but it would be entertaining.
 
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Well, you hope Harvard was just conserving energy Friday and will have more than enough for Saturday.

So pretty much, win =first, tie=second, loss=third.

If the game were tied with 15 seconds left and you had a face-off in the Clarkson zone, would you consider pulling the goalie? Probably not since there's still plenty to lose, but it would be entertaining.

I would with 5 seconds left, but not with 15 seconds left.....If you lose you could end up on the road to the North Country for the Semi's. Unless there is only a very few seconds left, I would go with the odds that SLU or Quinnipiac can knock off Cornell in the Semi's, so you get that home date in the final.
 
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If the game were tied with 15 seconds left and you had a faceoff in the Clarkson zone, would you consider pulling the goalie? Probably not since there's still plenty to lose, but it would be entertaining.
The only time I've seen a D-I women's coach pull the goalie in a tie game was Mark Johnson in Wisconsin at Minnesota in 2009. An OT win would have given the Badgers a tie in the WCHA conference race; the shootout win that they wound up getting left them a point behind Minnesota. It was interesting because there were still four more regular season games remaining for each team, and a loss could have had PWR seeding implications. I liked the approach of the regular season trophy matters and we'll deal with any consequences later.
 
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Well, you hope Harvard was just conserving energy Friday and will have more than enough for Saturday.

So pretty much, win =first, tie=second, loss=third.

If the game were tied with 15 seconds left and you had a faceoff in the Clarkson zone, would you consider pulling the goalie? Probably not since there's still plenty to lose, but it would be entertaining.

It's not Harvard's style to conserve energy and I'd be surprised if Katey Stone asked the team to do so. Just isn't in their DNA. But they do need to manage their effort given the schedule. If there is a silver lining to all this, all their games have been and will be at home for the next week. Hopefully more!

About pulling the goalie with 15 seconds left. I would imagine that they might try it if the game went to OT. I think they did something similar in '06 on the last day of the regular season and ironically, it was up at Clarkson. They needed a win to secure home ice for the first round of the playoffs and in OT, they pulled their goalie and Jennifer Raimondi scored with a few seconds left to win it. If memory serves and again, I'm not entirely sure that is what happened although I do know we won the game in OT.

If we lose today, I hope that Katey rests some of her players for Tuesday's game. I'm thinking Michelle Picard or Sarah Edney, Jill Dempsey and Lyndsey Fry. It's more important to have them ready for the playoffs.
 
I would with 5 seconds left, but not with 15 seconds left.....If you lose you could end up on the road to the North Country for the Semi's. Unless there is only a very few seconds left, I would go with the odds that SLU or Quinnipiac can knock off Cornell in the Semi's, so you get that home date in the final.

The semis and finals are played at the same location. So, IF Cornell gets #1 seed and advances to semis, they will host.
 
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It's not Harvard's style to conserve energy and I'd be surprised if Katey Stone asked the team to do so.
Sure, I'm sure Katey did not. But I'd expect they'd still find another gear for this Clarkson game, being senior day with No. 1 seed at stake and the chance to avenge one of their two ECAC defeats.
 
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Appears that going for the win in the closing seconds would be well worth it. If I have the facts right, then on very reasonable assumptions:

A tie means you play RPI at home in the QFs, then Clarkson and Cornell in Ithaca.
A loss means you play Dmth at home in the QFs, then Clarkson and Cornell in Ithaca.
A win means you play the #8 seed at home in the QFs, then the winner of SLU and Q at home, then the winner of Clarkson and Cornell at home.

Rolling the dice between the second and third outcomes appears to be so greatly preferable to settling for the first outcome that I'd be willing to try it in the attacking end long before the final 15 seconds.

Among my assumptions is that though Dmth held the Crimson to a tie in Hanover, the chances of Dmth winning a best of three series at the Bright are little different from RPI's or the #8 seeds: very slim. So there's not much downside to losing whereas, although SLU has played very close to H twice, holding onto a tie at the Bright, playing the SLU/Q winner and the Clarkson/Cornell winner at the Bright seems greatly preferable to playing both Clarkson and Cornell in Ithaca.

So -- how soon would you pull your goalie when a faceoff opportunity arose in the attacking end? And how soon would you (as Derek Sanderson loved to say of the Bruins) generally "throw caution to the winds and stop playing Katey bar the door?"
 
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Skate79 - I dug up the boxscore in question. Harvard got an extra attacker goal with 27 seconds left in regulation play and then another with 1 second left in OT...but the game winner was not with the goalie pulled. Raimondi got both those goals. Nice memory recall just the same. :)

http://collegehockeystats.net/0506/boxes/wclkhar1.f25

Thanks. Yeah, my memory is sometimes fuzzy if I don't dig up the actual facts and thanks for doing so. It was a huge win as it propelled the Crimson to an ECAC tournament title that year.
 
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Well, it will be third place unfortunately for the Crimson and another series with Dartmouth. The worst possible scenario has come true and I don't like our chances with the way we are playing lately.

First, today's game. Erica Howe stood tall for Clarkson. She is a great goalie and had a terrific game. We helped her out a bit by not finding open space to shoot but all in all, you have to tip your cap to her. Best goalie I've seen so far this year.

As for the Crimson, there are numerous problems to deal with going forward. Starting in goal. Maschmeyer had her second mediocre start in a row and was pulled after the first period. Bellamy came in to spell her and one wonders on Senior Night why she didn't get the start. She appears healthy and made some good saves. This isn't the time of year to have a goalie controversy and yet Harvard seems to be in the midst of one. Regardless, we aren't getting the big saves when we need them and every mistake the D makes (which are few and far between) seems to find its way into the back of our net. Not a good scenario heading into next weekend.

The offense is almost non-existent. We can generate a rush but finishing just isn't there. Dempsey and Fry were shut down this weekend and if you take them out of the equation, Harvard doesn't have any other answers. Not for lack of effort - Kaitlin Spurling had a beautiful forehand to backhand move while Harvard was shorthanded in the third only to be denied twice by Howe. Shortly thereafter, Clarkson scored to put the game out of reach. It was that way all weekend.

For the Yale game, I would suggest resting several regulars including Dempsey and Fry. Call in some club players if necessary. I mean it. Picard and Edney were skating major minutes and we need to give them a break. Having to play Tuesday in a meaningless game (Ivy title aside) hurts only us. Better to tank it and get the rest.

I don't really like our chances going forward unless we get far better goaltending and finish our chances. Dartmouth played us tough in Hanover and Holdcroft is playing very well. I could see them beating us in three if we don't start converting opportunities and stopping the puck when it really counts. They have to feel good after crushing SLU today.

This was supposed to be our year with Pucci and Gedman leading a stout D and Dempsey and Fry leading the offense. The injuries and inconsistent goaltending unfortunately have put a damper on those expectations. I don't see us winning the tournament and if we do make the NCAAs, we'll be on the road against Minnesota or BC. One and done.

Oh well... hard to generate much enthusiasm at the moment. And don't get me started on the officiating. Worst in college hockey hands down. Simply pathetic. These guys should be relegated to calling pee-wee games. Okay, I promised not to get started and I did. I'll stop now.
 
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Sure, I'm sure Katey did not. But I'd expect they'd still find another gear for this Clarkson game, being senior day with No. 1 seed at stake and the chance to avenge one of their two ECAC defeats.

Well, they played their hearts out today especially in the second period. Fatigue didn't seem to be that big a factor. It wasn't so much finding another gear as it was finding the back of the net. Howe played really well. We don't seem to get that kind of goaltending when we really need it.
 
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Is the glass half empty, or half full? Yes, the second half of the season has been a disappointment compared to the first half, but overall the season 's results have far surpassed anything I expected once we heard that Pucci and Gedman were out for the season.

Consider. Harvard will be (assuming a win against Yale) one of three ECAC teams at the top of the league, separated by a single point. Yes, Harvard will be seeded third under the tie-break algorithm, but this is a far better result than could have been expected sans Pucci and Gedman.

And Harvard is #6 in the country in RPI and Pairwise, and #7 in KRACH. Again, this is a far better result than could have been expected sans Pucci and Gedman.

I think this team has a lot to be proud of. More details to follow.
 
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It's noteworthy how closely Harvard's game-by-game results this season correspond to the overall strength of its opponents. They haven't lost to anybody outside the top 5 nationally. Yes, they haven't yet deserved a place in the top 5, losing 5 of their 7 games against those teams (swept by Clarkson, lost to BC, split with Cornell and BU). But their goal differential in those 7 games was a respectable 11-to-15. And neither are they out of the top 8: they have 4 wins and a tie against the lower-ranked TUC. Their #6 or so ranking right now is what it is, and we await further results. But it's certainly something to be proud of. (Against all other teams, their only blemishes are ties with SLU and UNH; otherwise, they've swept the board).

In addition to these consistent won-loss results, the goals-against statistics are also very revealing. Against all opponents, they have a 1.13 GA average. Of the 33 goals allowed, 15 came in the 7 games against top-5 opponents (2.14) and 18 came in the other 21 games (0.86), including doubleheaders with Quinnipiac, Dartmouth and SLU and single games against Northeastern, Providence and UNH. And their PK percentage is 92.4%.

All these results, I think, define the team's reaction to the loss of Pucci and Gedman. More later.
 
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The team's results described above, in terms of consistency against each tier of opposition, lack of any embarassing losses, and goals allowed reflect, I think, Katey Stone's strategy for dealing with the loss of Pucci and Gedman, given the remaining personnel the team had.

On the defensive side, that strategy involved:

1. Calling on three Ds with two-way skills to play Zdeno Chara-like minutes each and every game;
2. Calling on the other Ds, including a converted F, to provide consistent stay-at-home defense;
3. Calling on the Fs to buy into relentless skating, forechecking, puck possession, backchecking and battling for take-aways;

that, together with nearly flawless goaltending, resulted in a goals-allowed performance rivalling Minnesota's.

This defensive strategy kept the team close against top-5 opponents (2.13 GA) and shut down all other opponents (0.86 GA).

This bespeaks astute coaching and gutsy, disciplined players.

Where it proved impossible to fully compensate for the loss of Pucci and Gedman was on offense. No question that, with the two of them added to the blue line, the D's scoring production, and that of the whole team, would have been considerably larger. Instead of seeing Edney only occasionally down low on the power play (shades of Ruggiero, Banfield and their successors) , think of the luxury of having five offensive-minded Ds to work into the power play. Think of Pucci knifing through the attacking zone.

No question that low goal-scoring against top-5 opponents has been the team's Achilles heel (although those teams' defensive strength is of course one reason why they're top-5 teams). I suspect that the addition of Pucci and Gedman would have helped greatly. But it's probably no use wishing that some of Harvard's disciplined defensive whiz Fs could be exchanged for an accomplished "snipa" or two, because that would just open up chinks in the consistency of the team's defense: even if Phil Kessel himself claimed to be Amanda's long-lost college-eligible twin sister and suited up for the Crimson, I suspect the team's goal differential would have thereby suffered.

And it's not as though Harvard's fast-skating, puck-battling defensive style isn't fun to watch in its own right: it's about as far from trapping as you can get, the backchecker simply catches up to the puckcarrier, strips away the puck and launches a counterattack.

(Note to Minnesota fans: the dig at Phil Kessel isn't meant as a reflection on any of his siblings, it's just a parochial Boston reference to Phil's years as a blithely one-way player, indeed a poster-child one-way player, on an otherwise proud hardworking lunchpail Bruins squad).
 
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A quick question to dave1381 and/or other statistically sophisticated posters: while the final H-Y game will be meaningless in terms of ECAC placement, could a loss to Yale have any significant effect on Harvard's RPI and therefore its Pairwise? Or does just one unpredictable "bad" loss in a whole season amount to nothing more than a rounding error?
 
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