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Harvard Crimson 2022-2023
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4 to 1 odds on the Claw, 12 to 1 on the FF.
I heard the same thing from the second announcer. Don’t really understand what the difference between getting a shot off versus not getting a shot off in determining a penalty shot. First I heard about it.
Harvard performance was lackluster. After a strong 1st period, shot totals in 2nd and 3rd not good enough.
PP defense needs work. Not challenging point and not moving guys out the front of the net. Harvard is very east to score against on the PP right now. And Harvard PP too stagnant. Could not even bring the puck into the zone cleanly.
Not sure we beat Clarkson tonight with a repeat performance.
As for larger sights, Harvard’s issue is depth. Top 2 lines could play anywhere, but the falloff is notable compared with Top 5 programs where 4 lines can roll.
PP defense needs work. Not challenging point and not moving guys out the front of the net. Harvard is very east to score against on the PP right now. And Harvard PP too stagnant. Could not even bring the puck into the zone cleanly.
Not sure we beat Clarkson tonight with a repeat performance.
As for larger sights, Harvard’s issue is depth. Top 2 lines could play anywhere, but the falloff is notable compared with Top 5 programs where 4 lines can roll.
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Lynah Rink
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So you think the Ivy League should use a different system for awarding points than the rest of college hockey? 3x3 OT is stupid, but counting a 3x3 OT win/loss as equal to that of a regulation win/loss is even more stupid. Harvard needed 3x3 OT to get three of its wins this season, and Cornell didn’t. Therefore, Cornell wins the Ivy League.
It would help if in two weeks we get Karpa, Miller and Severo back in the lineup. All three were missing last night. Karpa has been out almost a month. Not sure what is going on there.
And I suppose if the reverse were true and Cornell needed three wins in OT, you would say that Harvard deserved the Ivy title right? Yeah, I thought so. Remember that one of those wins came against you guys and you had the chance to win it in regulation or OT. So stop whining.
When healthy, I'm okay with the bottom six. I don't think we're going to match any of the top five programs in terms of depth. Too much to ask of an Ivy program. This weekend, Matthew Coronato was held scoreless (third game in four that he has not registered a goal) and we still came away with wins. Baker Shore, Ryan Drukulac, and Philip Tresca have all contributed. Getting Karpa back will help and give our third line some punch.
Lynah Rink
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Honestly? If Harvard ended up with more points under the current system, then yes, I’d say they deserve it. It would be ridiculous to count 3x3 OT as equivalent to 5x5 regulation. If two teams play 60 minutes of 5x5 and the game is still tied, 5 minutes of OT played at 3x3 so as to vastly increase the chances of a goal should NOT count for full credit of a win or loss.
To be clear, I’m not claiming Cornell has a better team than Harvard. I’m simply saying that Cornell had a better record in Ivy League games this season than Harvard did, and therefore deserves the Ivy title.
i disagree about the 3x3. I've seen several ECAC games this season outside of Harvard that have gone to OT, and it has produced some great hockey. Yes, it's wide open and not the traditional 5x5 but it still should count as a W or L (and I think when they made this change, the point reduction from 3 to 2 reflects the acknowledgement that it isn't a traditional OT). What I can't stand are the shootouts. That has zero to do with team competition and I wish they would eliminate it.
Lynah Rink
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It’s fine to award more points for winning 3x3 than losing 3x3. Thus, the 2 points for the winner, 1 for the loser. But it’s not fine to count a 3x3 OT win the same as a regulation win. Cornell won more games in regulation, and thus they win the Ivy. I tend to agree with you that 3x3 is exciting and the shootout is dumb. 3x3 is more exciting when Harvard is involved, with their level of skill, than it is when most other teams are involved, though.
OT has been around for decades and a win in OT under the old format of 5x5 was the same as a win in regulation. OT is viewed as an extension of regulation, and I believe that the move to 3x3 was made when teams such as Harvard had a ridiculous number of ties (11) in the 2011-2012 season. 3x3 gives you a bit more flexibility in terms of the combination of players you use to take advantage of a defenseman's offensive capabilities. I still want 5x5 for the playoffs and hope they never change that rule.
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Thoughts about San Jose trading for rights to Henry Thrun?
When I saw this I was wondering if there is a relationship with either Grier or Quinn. Stated he was going to test market but now San Jose has exclusive rights to sign him before August 15th
Henry might do what Jimmy Vesey did when his rights were traded to Buffalo. Wait to see if he gets an offer he likes and jump.
Like several recent NHL draft picks including Adam Fox, John Marino, and Jimmy Vesey, Henry Thrun could be angling to play closer to home (Mass) rather than sign with a west coast team. It's interesting to see how Anaheim was able to get something as tangible as San Jose's 2024 3rd-round pick in return for Thrun's signing rights with no guarantee he will ever sign.
Well Miller and Karpa played, Severo sat. I think that was in part due to Drukulac's play recently and how well the third line has come together.
[FONT=Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif]Some thoughts on last night's game.[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif]1. The chippiness surprised me. Seemed like after every whistle, players were shoving or hitting each other and getting in each other's grill. My guess is that Fogarty probably felt with good reason that to try and skate with Harvard was futile. Better to get physical and try and mess with their minds to throw them off. In the second period, it more or less worked until Laferriere's PP goal. Then Harvard got back to what they do really well, and it was all she wrote for the Tigers.[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif]2. Teddy broke up the lines with Karpa centering for Farrell and Coronato, Miller playing with Farinacci and Laferriere and Gaffney dropped to the fourth line. It worked well for the fourth line, not so much for the other lines. But I understand the thinking behind the moves. Puts real pressure on the Tigers to defend and in the third period, Harvard's depth showed up big time.
3. Have to acknowledge the save of the year by Princeton's goalie on Marek Hejduk's close in chance. That should make ESPN's top ten any day of the week. Ten bell save. It swung the momentum briefly when Princeton scored shortly thereafter.
4. Nice touch by Henry Thrun late in the game when he broke in alone on Porter and instead of deking and shooting, dropped a perfect pass for Hejduk for an easy goal. Thrun had to be thinking about that save on Hejduk in the second period and it was a classy move by the senior. You could tell Hejduk appreciated the gift.
5. We still need to clean up our D zone coverage. Too many lapses again, especially in the second period. Princeton came at Harvard knowing they had nothing to lose and after going up 2-0, the Crimson took their foot off the gas. Can't do that in the playoffs. Hopefully the coaching staff will address this today.
Onwards and upwards!![/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif]1. The chippiness surprised me. Seemed like after every whistle, players were shoving or hitting each other and getting in each other's grill. My guess is that Fogarty probably felt with good reason that to try and skate with Harvard was futile. Better to get physical and try and mess with their minds to throw them off. In the second period, it more or less worked until Laferriere's PP goal. Then Harvard got back to what they do really well, and it was all she wrote for the Tigers.[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif]2. Teddy broke up the lines with Karpa centering for Farrell and Coronato, Miller playing with Farinacci and Laferriere and Gaffney dropped to the fourth line. It worked well for the fourth line, not so much for the other lines. But I understand the thinking behind the moves. Puts real pressure on the Tigers to defend and in the third period, Harvard's depth showed up big time.
3. Have to acknowledge the save of the year by Princeton's goalie on Marek Hejduk's close in chance. That should make ESPN's top ten any day of the week. Ten bell save. It swung the momentum briefly when Princeton scored shortly thereafter.
4. Nice touch by Henry Thrun late in the game when he broke in alone on Porter and instead of deking and shooting, dropped a perfect pass for Hejduk for an easy goal. Thrun had to be thinking about that save on Hejduk in the second period and it was a classy move by the senior. You could tell Hejduk appreciated the gift.
5. We still need to clean up our D zone coverage. Too many lapses again, especially in the second period. Princeton came at Harvard knowing they had nothing to lose and after going up 2-0, the Crimson took their foot off the gas. Can't do that in the playoffs. Hopefully the coaching staff will address this today.
Onwards and upwards!![/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif]Okay, so it's on to Lake Placid. Not much suspense in last night's game. Much like Friday night, the Crimson got the jump on the Tigers but unlike Friday night, they made sure there would be no doubt by scoring twice in the second period to put the game away. [/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif]And much like Friday night, the game was physical with the same pushing and shoving after the whistle. Only last night, Harvard lost its cool taking two stupid major penalties and a handful of other infractions. Princeton's successfully got under Harvard's skin and cause the Crimson to take a rash of penalties. Seemed like the Tigers were on the power play for much of the third period. Harvard cannot play this way next Friday against Cornell, or they will lose. The coaching staff must impart to the team the need to be under control and focus on their game plan.
Alex Gaffney did not play last night as Casey Severo was put into the lineup. Also, Jace Foskey replaced Christian Jiminez who replaced Kyle Aucoin who didn't play at all. Not sure why and hoping he isn't hurt. The D again last night had several lapses in the second and third period forcing Gibson to make some tough saves. None better than the one he made in the third period stick side. Almost as good as Porter's thievery of Marek Hejduk on Friday.
I put some of the blame for the rough stuff on the officials who had a bad weekend. They could have put a stop to the nonsense by calling more penalties on the Tigers but kept their whistles in their pockets until it was too late. [/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif]And much like Friday night, the game was physical with the same pushing and shoving after the whistle. Only last night, Harvard lost its cool taking two stupid major penalties and a handful of other infractions. Princeton's successfully got under Harvard's skin and cause the Crimson to take a rash of penalties. Seemed like the Tigers were on the power play for much of the third period. Harvard cannot play this way next Friday against Cornell, or they will lose. The coaching staff must impart to the team the need to be under control and focus on their game plan.
Alex Gaffney did not play last night as Casey Severo was put into the lineup. Also, Jace Foskey replaced Christian Jiminez who replaced Kyle Aucoin who didn't play at all. Not sure why and hoping he isn't hurt. The D again last night had several lapses in the second and third period forcing Gibson to make some tough saves. None better than the one he made in the third period stick side. Almost as good as Porter's thievery of Marek Hejduk on Friday.
I put some of the blame for the rough stuff on the officials who had a bad weekend. They could have put a stop to the nonsense by calling more penalties on the Tigers but kept their whistles in their pockets until it was too late. [/FONT]