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Harvard Crimson 2022-2023

People on the forum post about Harvard's lack of fans, both at Bright and on the road. We have been season ticket holders for over 30 years and were told to pound sand, nicely, by the Harvard ticket office when my wife called there this morning. They enable parents to obtain tickets, which I would fully expect, season ticket holders have to go through Ticketmaster. The same kind of laziness goes on during the second round of the ECAC playoffs, where they do not secure season ticket holders their regular season seats, and fans who have sat in their usual seats during the season have to find somewhere else to sit. I am sure other schools do not treat their season ticket holders the same way. We got good seats for the session and are going to the Frozen Four, which we get on our own. Harvard does not make it easy to get tickets though.
 
BigRedBeer said:
I'm pretty sure you could pick a five year span where we may have totaled 13 drafted players, never on one team, ever. But Cornell doesn't have the strict admissions process to get into one of the most prestigious universities in the world either. <cough><cough>
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I think this is an interesting take. For one, the Ivy League admissions process is well documented and it is a fact that Cornell can admit kids that Harvard can not given its lower AI (Academic Index). All Ivy League athletic teams must be within in one standard deviation of the general student body with regards to the Academic Index. But I digress....

My feeling is that Cornell's "system" will make it almost always competitive. But given Cornell's rich hockey tradition, great home atmosphere (better than Harvard's), access to Western NY and Canadian talent - you have to wonder why it has struggled to recruit higher end talent (ie, draft picks).

I believe that the high end picks want to play a freer, more creative style that allows them more offensive flair. And to this end, how many Cornell forward grads have seen a regular shift in the NHL. There is Moulson and Nash I suppose (and perhaps Baron will make a push to become a regular), but there have not been alot relative to Cornell's college hockey performance. One might say how amazing a job Schafer has done to get so much or perhaps question his ability to attract higher end talent? Is Cornell's system a blessing or a curse?
 
Crimson Faced said:
People on the forum post about Harvard's lack of fans, both at Bright and on the road. We have been season ticket holders for over 30 years and were told to pound sand, nicely, by the Harvard ticket office when my wife called there this morning. They enable parents to obtain tickets, which I would fully expect, season ticket holders have to go through Ticketmaster. The same kind of laziness goes on during the second round of the ECAC playoffs, where they do not secure season ticket holders their regular season seats, and fans who have sat in their usual seats during the season have to find somewhere else to sit. I am sure other schools do not treat their season ticket holders the same way. We got good seats for the session and are going to the Frozen Four, which we get on our own. Harvard does not make it easy to get tickets though.
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This is really surprising and disappointing. As a BU season ticket holder over 40 years they adjusted well this year to changing ticket climate
Usually for playoffs you had to reserve tickets and pick them up
This year for hockey east they sent a link which took you on line to the BU sections for the game. In addition using the ticketmaster system we got $5 off the ticket and
there were no ticketmaster fees
They today did the same for the Manchester regional-
Last week you had to email them if they made it to frozen four and you wanted tickets but I sort of ignored the process as I go every year
 
MarkEagleUSA said:
Fine with me but there's so much written here about the subject that it's not hard to follow how it all works out. The seeding and placement is very objective and nobody gets to choose where they should play, but most fans seem to think differently.
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Mark, what I had a problem with is articles that kept talking about 'bracket integrity'. As in, we don't want intraconference matchups. Hence Merrimack goes to Bridgeport and BU goes to Manchester. All I'm saying here is that Harvard should have been put in the Manchester bracket to avoid the possibility of facing you guys in Bridgeport IF bracket integrity really matters. Which apparently it does not. Penn State, while the host school for the Allentown bracket, is also going to face a Big Ten opponent in Michigan. So, to me, there is a flaw in the process. Again, I'm not an expert and don't parse all of the possibilities. Just observing what seems to be something that doesn't add up.
 
BigRedBeer said:
I'm pretty sure you could pick a five year span where we may have totaled 13 drafted players, never on one team, ever. But Cornell doesn't have the strict admissions process to get into one of the most prestigious universities in the world either. <cough><cough>
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As Bothman noted, Cornell's AI is significantly lower allowing the school to admit, cough, cough, less than stellar academically inclined students who happen to be hockey players. Having a School for Hotel Management also helps. We didn't make the rules, we just abide by them.

As to the last Cornell forward of note, my vote would be Joe Nieuwendyk who had a stellar NHL career winning a Stanley Cup with Calgary. I'll never forget reading about his last game at Cornell and the fans chanting "One more year" as he skated off the ice (left after his junior season).
 
Crimson Faced said:
People on the forum post about Harvard's lack of fans, both at Bright and on the road. We have been season ticket holders for over 30 years and were told to pound sand, nicely, by the Harvard ticket office when my wife called there this morning. They enable parents to obtain tickets, which I would fully expect, season ticket holders have to go through Ticketmaster. The same kind of laziness goes on during the second round of the ECAC playoffs, where they do not secure season ticket holders their regular season seats, and fans who have sat in their usual seats during the season have to find somewhere else to sit. I am sure other schools do not treat their season ticket holders the same way. We got good seats for the session and are going to the Frozen Four, which we get on our own. Harvard does not make it easy to get tickets though.
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Ticketmaster is a monster. They seem to have a chokehold on any type of entertainment and venue. Disappointing on so many levels.
 
Skate79 said:
Mark, what I had a problem with is articles that kept talking about 'bracket integrity'. As in, we don't want intraconference matchups. Hence Merrimack goes to Bridgeport and BU goes to Manchester. All I'm saying here is that Harvard should have been put in the Manchester bracket to avoid the possibility of facing you guys in Bridgeport IF bracket integrity really matters. Which apparently it does not. Penn State, while the host school for the Allentown bracket, is also going to face a Big Ten opponent in Michigan. So, to me, there is a flaw in the process. Again, I'm not an expert and don't parse all of the possibilities. Just observing what seems to be something that doesn't add up.
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The "no interconference matchups" is only for 1st round. The committee also considers travel and will not move teams if it results in extra flights unless there's no other options. Also, they try to keep 1-16, 2-15, 3-14, etc, in the first round. Hosts can muck that up because they are always put in the regional they host.

None of your concerns matter if either team from the same conference doesn't advance.
 
Skate79 said:
As Bothman noted, Cornell's AI is significantly lower allowing the school to admit, cough, cough, less than stellar academically inclined students who happen to be hockey players. Having a School for Hotel Management also helps. We didn't make the rules, we just abide by them.

As to the last Cornell forward of note, my vote would be Joe Nieuwendyk who had a stellar NHL career winning a Stanley Cup with Calgary. I'll never forget reading about his last game at Cornell and the fans chanting "One more year" as he skated off the ice (left after his junior season).
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Lol, gonna provide a source for your claim that Cornell’s AI is “significantly lower”?
Harvard’s average SAT is 1530 for admitted students. Its average GPA is 4.2.
Cornell’s average SAT is 1505. Its average GPA is 4.1.

Moreover, one standard deviation below that AI is a wide range such that Harvard can admit athletes with grades and SATs far worse than those numbers.

What is your definition of “significant,” exactly? You think Teddy is recruiting a bunch of geniuses? Coronato is a rocket scientist?
 
Harvard getting schooled, I wondered if beyond Farrell and Cornato were they really that good. Didn't look very good in the first period. Looking for them to regroup, getting outshot 17 to 3 it can only get better. They were out shot 24-2 in the third against BC in the Beanpot but they won so maybe they can create some more magic.
 
Complete collapse, others teams have to get through their conference championships and aren't down by 7 after 2. This beat down is going to leave a mark.
 
I was utilizing sarcasm on that one. It is possible that all of these Harvard “NHL” bound players, are focused more on NHL right now? Ohio State has 7 goals and Harvard has about 8 shots on goal.
 
I am not an optimist by any measure, but I am stunned at the disparity between these teams. The pairwise rating is revealed to be utterly fraudulent based on this performance. I think it is not just effort but skill level. And they are just not mentally ready for the big stage. Is that partially coaching?!

I am sitting here in Bridgeport feeling very confused and disheartened. Not sure any of these guys would impress an NHL scout today!

I've been a season ticket holder for over 30 years. See you next year!
 
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