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Harvard Crimson 2015-2016 - All things Bright and Beautiful

Re: Harvard Crimson 2015-2016 - All things Bright and Beautiful

bothman said:
I like the draw. I think BC is certainly very talented and they could turn things around in a heart beat, but they are not playing great right now (especially on D). If Harvard is fortunate enough to beat BC, they have the most underwhelming #1 seed in Providence. Much prefer Providence to Quinnipiac, UND, or SCSU.

Right now, Harvard needs health (Malone and Sherman back would be fantastic), some puck luck, and to hopefully catch BC on an off night (there have been more of those as of late for BC than I can remember).

What I like about Harvard:
1) Ryan Donato, after a bit of a slump, is super hot. When you have him and Malone both on their games, Harvard has 3 legit lines that can score/snipe.
2) Harvard really skated in Lake Placid. Granted it was the big sheet, but I thought they outskated Quinny in that game and very likely would have won without that 5 minute major
3) Madsen has been playing well. I thought the 2 5 minute major goals were soft (he was too deep in the crease which is why he got beat short side), but he was absolute stud against SLU

What I don't like right now:
1) Health (Sherman and Malone are critical against BC)
2) PP has been ineffective as of late
3) Blackwell needs to finish his opportunities and be more decisive
4) Baughmann was way too casual on defense and was letting guys get around him on the outside (he definitely needs to improve his skating this off season). BC has way too much speed and will exploit this
5) Defensive miscues (at least once a game the opponent is able to successfully execute a home run pass that splits the D for a breakaway opportunity). The defense needs to break the puck out of the zone with purpose and not let BC's forecheck get situated. The game could hinge on this
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Add possible suspension for hit on Anas to the don't like category. This where you might find out about it on Monday or Tuesday when the powers that be get around to it. http://www.ecachockey.com/men/headlines-MoreHeadlines
 
Re: Harvard Crimson 2015-2016 - All things Bright and Beautiful

Veritas said:
Question??
During the play by play call someone mentioned that a Quinny player named Miner-Barron was a graduate student. I looked at the Quinny roster and his year says "Gr" in the listings. I never knew graduate students could play varsity. Is this something new??
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Maybe someone has answered Veritas' post already, but I heard the play-by-play guy say nine players were post-grads. Eligibility is one thing but these players are a year older than most at this level. There's no accounting for that. Sounds to me like someone (QU) is playing the rest of us. :(
 
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ColSkate65 said:
Maybe someone has answered Veritas' post already, but I heard the play-by-play guy say nine players were post-grads. Eligibility is one thing but these players are a year older than most at this level. There's no accounting for that. Sounds to me like someone (QU) is playing the rest of us. :(
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Last year Quinnipiac had a transfer from UNH, Jason Agosta. Agosta had been red shirted his freshman year, played the next three, and received his diploma in the standard four years. However, he had one year of eligibility left and, under NCAA transfer rules, he was eligible to play the next season. Akin to Russell Wilson playing three years at NC State then transferring to Wisconsin for his post grad year and quarterbacking their football team. I think the NCAA rule is something like this. If you wish to play, you can transfer to another school if you are accepted to a graduate program that is not offered at the school you are leaving. I'm pretty sure Agosta's transfer to Quinnipiac was approved because he was going to study criminology, something UNH did not offer.
 
Greg Ambrose said:
Last year Quinnipiac had a transfer from UNH, Jason Agosta. Agosta had been red shirted his freshman year, played the next three, and received his diploma in the standard four years. However, he had one year of eligibility left and, under NCAA transfer rules, he was eligible to play the next season. Akin to Russell Wilson playing three years at NC State then transferring to Wisconsin for his post grad year and quarterbacking their football team. I think the NCAA rule is something like this. If you wish to play, you can transfer to another school if you are accepted to a graduate program that is not offered at the school you are leaving. I'm pretty sure Agosta's transfer to Quinnipiac was approved because he was going to study criminology, something UNH did not offer.
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Well,Agosta certainly learned about criminal justice in Florida where he is playing. He recently got a pass on arson charges there. Lucky young man. http://www.news-press.com/story/news/2016/01/25/case-dismissed-against-everblades-player/79306824/
 
ColSkate65 said:
Maybe someone has answered Veritas' post already, but I heard the play-by-play guy say nine players were post-grads. Eligibility is one thing but these players are a year older than most at this level. There's no accounting for that. Sounds to me like someone (QU) is playing the rest of us. :(
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Nine players are taking graduate classes. Many have gotten their degrees in 3 years. Miner-Barron is the only grad student on the roster.
 
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MarkEagleUSA said:
Nine players are taking graduate classes. Many have gotten their degrees in 3 years. Miner-Barron is the only grad student on the roster.
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Yup. Quinnipiac isn't skating any rules here. If these kids are taking summer classes to graduate earlier more power to them. This is the sign of a good program.
 
Re: Harvard Crimson 2015-2016 - All things Bright and Beautiful

ColSkate65 said:
Maybe someone has answered Veritas' post already, but I heard the play-by-play guy say nine players were post-grads. Eligibility is one thing but these players are a year older than most at this level. There's no accounting for that. Sounds to me like someone (QU) is playing the rest of us. :(
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The rules are the rules and so long as teams are playing within them, there is nothing for us to gripe about.

Do I wish every player in college was 18-19 years old and played directly out of high school? Absolutely. But the market has migrated over the last few decades and college rosters have subsequently shifted...getting older. This has also allowed for more parity as less established / reputable programs that can now recruit older players that can compete with the 18 year old phenoms.
 
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QUAlum2004 said:
Yup. Quinnipiac isn't skating any rules here. If these kids are taking summer classes to graduate earlier more power to them. This is the sign of a good program.
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This or I would imagine that this has a lot to do with the age of their roster. Many graduate from high school and might be taking "college courses" while parked in juniors, waiting for their opportunity to play at the NCAA level. They would thus come in with significant credit that can be applied to Quinny requirements.

This is speculation on my part , but would be my hypothesis regarding the three year degree phenomenon (in addition to attending summer school).
 
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bothman said:
This or I would imagine that this has a lot to do with the age of their roster. Many graduate from high school and might be taking "college courses" while parked in juniors, waiting for their opportunity to play at the NCAA level. They would thus come in with significant credit that can be applied to Quinny requirements.

This is speculation on my part , but would be my hypothesis regarding the three year degree phenomenon (in addition to attending summer school).
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Wouldn't registering as a college student anywhere to take classes start the clock on their 5-year window?
 
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According to CHN - Average age of harvard: 21y 6m, average age of Q: 22y, 3m. I woudn't get too upset about a 9 month difference, even though it is missing the point (though i've heard you can make a WHOLE NEW HUMAN in that time span)


I think a program putting an emphasis on academics should be applauded
 
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J.D. said:
I'm not really sure what you are talking about. Everyone knew it was gonna be BC-Harvard based on the PWR rankings and other factors the committee takes into consideration. You thought harvard was going west or whatever it is you said. Not a big deal either way. I never said BC-Harvard would be paired strictly based on pwr ranking. Cornell didn't make it because ferris st and RIT got autobids.
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Okay, let's try this again. I wrote in my post that one reason you can't take the PWR as gospel is because of the AUTOBIDS. And that $$$ is a factor and anyone who says otherwise is clearly not someone who understands what motivates the NCAA. Putting BC and Harvard in Worcester ensures better attendance than putting Quinnipiac and RIT at DCU and that is what matters. And I said Harvard was either going to the Midwest or hopefully staying in the East. I never said the West Regional.
 
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bothman said:
The rules are the rules and so long as teams are playing within them, there is nothing for us to gripe about.

Do I wish every player in college was 18-19 years old and played directly out of high school? Absolutely. But the market has migrated over the last few decades and college rosters have subsequently shifted...getting older. This has also allowed for more parity as less established / reputable programs that can now recruit older players that can compete with the 18 year old phenoms.
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It's worse in men's hoops. Consider Kentucky and the way they move kids in for one and dones. Calipari runs a farm team, not an athletic program at an academic institution. I have no problem with Quinnipiac and their having grad students on their roster as long as they aren't stocking the team with kids who are taking bogus courses just to play an extra year or two.
 
Skate79 said:
Unfortunately because of this loss, we probably will be heading to the Midwest or West Regional as a #3 or #4 seed. And with our luck, we'll probably have to face Northeastern who is scorching hot at the moment.
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Not trying to pick on you but you absolutely said west/midwest. And if you paid attention to the bracketologists, there was no talk of harvard going west after all the games were completed. And if you meant playing NU in first round, impossible. Harvard was locked in as a 3 seed and NU a 4 seed.
 
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And anyone who follows the system knows to account for autobids.
 
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Skate79 said:
Okay, let's try this again. I wrote in my post that one reason you can't take the PWR as gospel is because of the AUTOBIDS. And that $$$ is a factor and anyone who says otherwise is clearly not someone who understands what motivates the NCAA. Putting BC and Harvard in Worcester ensures better attendance than putting Quinnipiac and RIT at DCU and that is what matters. And I said Harvard was either going to the Midwest or hopefully staying in the East. I never said the West Regional.
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I had a long post written up yesterday that got lost, but in sum: of course they were going to flip Harvard and Notre Dame. The difference between a 5-12 game vs. a 5-11 game isn't worth enough to send Notre Dame east and Harvard to the midwest to play Denver, esp. when that will hurt midwest attendance (ND could probably draw about as well as us in Worcester), raise travel costs, and (theoretically) hurt the academic component by making those schools travel that much. It also wasn't going to be BC-Notre Dame because the committee tries at all costs to avoid conference rematches in the 1st round. Flipping Harvard-Notre Dame was a simple switch that doesn't hurt the integrity of the bracket much and which solves a lot of problems.

If it makes you feel better, by seeding, the slightly harder opening round gives us a theoretically easier second round if we win, as we'll face a 4 or 14, rather than 3 or 13 if we did straight seeding by pairwise. Not that I think the distinction between 3 or 4, 11 or 12, or 13 or 14 really matters anymore.

As for autobids, of course the Pairwise is still gospel. The 16th seed went in knowing 1 autobid from a team below them knocked them out. The 15th seed went in knowing 2 autobids from teams below knocked them out. For the Pairwise to not matter, Cornell would have needed to get in over a Notre Dame despite having a lower pairwise and neither having an automatic bid, or RIT would have needed to be made a 1 seed for winning the autobid despite a pairwise in the 30s. The system worked, same as it always does.
 
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You nailed it when you said they try at all costs to avoid conference rematches in first round. There was one time where I think Wisconsin and North Dakota played round one but I don't think it's happened before that or since (under the current system). It was easy to avoid in this situation.
 
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