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Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
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Harvard Crimson 2014-15
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Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
If you read my post, I said I had nothing against Laing. I was just wondering out loud about the possibility of trying Armstrong between Daniels and Fry. Armstrong is particularly good in the 'dirty' areas in front of the net, winning face-offs and killing penalties. And her experience can only help in tight games against more experienced foes. As for Fry, she's been doing a lot of the board work trying to get the puck free for scoring chances. She needs someone who can help set her up in front of the net and I think Armstrong can do that for her. Again, just a fan's perspective and I'm not picking on Laing per se.
If you read my post, I said I had nothing against Laing. I was just wondering out loud about the possibility of trying Armstrong between Daniels and Fry. Armstrong is particularly good in the 'dirty' areas in front of the net, winning face-offs and killing penalties. And her experience can only help in tight games against more experienced foes. As for Fry, she's been doing a lot of the board work trying to get the puck free for scoring chances. She needs someone who can help set her up in front of the net and I think Armstrong can do that for her. Again, just a fan's perspective and I'm not picking on Laing per se.
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Yeah, I'm very surprised too. While it may have been noteworthy that Harvard finally won 2 games, I'd hardly credit Maschmeyer with carrying the team on her shoulders to that achievement. She made only 41 saves over 2 games, which is not particularly unusual a stat for decent goalies in a weekend, though allowing only 1 goal. So while a good performance on her part, not particularly noteworthy either.
It's really disappointing that it tends to be the same limited list of players, generally from the same limited list of high performing teams, who tend to dominate these awards week after week. The fact is that "the usual suspects" greatly benefit in their individual results from a strong supporting cast, and their teams may have achieved similarly anyways even without their specific performances. This does not seem to be sufficiently acknowledged and accounted for in these awards. It would be virtually impossible for any individual to top a 59 save shutout, especially on the heels of 58 saves the previous game, and should be duly recognized as such a stellar accomplishment...even more noteworthy because of the team she plays for.
Defensemen as a group are similarly ignored in these weekly honours. Why isn't there a specific award for defensive player of the week in the ECAC as there is in Hockey East and the WCHA? With only one award for "player of the week", I've seen many times where a D with an impressive defensive performance and maybe get a couple of goals also, or even 3-5 pts in some cases as well gets no recognition. Instead, the forward who earns a couple more points (probably on a stronger team, and perhaps even against lesser quality competition) typically gets recognized instead despite the fact that it may have been a far less unusual achievement given their team and offensive position.
Surprised Maschmeyer got goalie of the week with Lundberg setting an NCAA record with her 59 save shutout.
Yeah, I'm very surprised too. While it may have been noteworthy that Harvard finally won 2 games, I'd hardly credit Maschmeyer with carrying the team on her shoulders to that achievement. She made only 41 saves over 2 games, which is not particularly unusual a stat for decent goalies in a weekend, though allowing only 1 goal. So while a good performance on her part, not particularly noteworthy either.
It's really disappointing that it tends to be the same limited list of players, generally from the same limited list of high performing teams, who tend to dominate these awards week after week. The fact is that "the usual suspects" greatly benefit in their individual results from a strong supporting cast, and their teams may have achieved similarly anyways even without their specific performances. This does not seem to be sufficiently acknowledged and accounted for in these awards. It would be virtually impossible for any individual to top a 59 save shutout, especially on the heels of 58 saves the previous game, and should be duly recognized as such a stellar accomplishment...even more noteworthy because of the team she plays for.
Defensemen as a group are similarly ignored in these weekly honours. Why isn't there a specific award for defensive player of the week in the ECAC as there is in Hockey East and the WCHA? With only one award for "player of the week", I've seen many times where a D with an impressive defensive performance and maybe get a couple of goals also, or even 3-5 pts in some cases as well gets no recognition. Instead, the forward who earns a couple more points (probably on a stronger team, and perhaps even against lesser quality competition) typically gets recognized instead despite the fact that it may have been a far less unusual achievement given their team and offensive position.
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This may surprise some people as I am a Harvard fan but I agree, I think Lundberg deserved it. Mashmeyer was not really tested against Quinnipiac until the final seven minutes. She did make three or four terrific saves to preserve the win but that pales in comparison to what Lundberg accomplished against Northeastern. At Matthews Arena no less.
Surprised Maschmeyer got goalie of the week with Lundberg setting an NCAA record with her 59 save shutout.
This may surprise some people as I am a Harvard fan but I agree, I think Lundberg deserved it. Mashmeyer was not really tested against Quinnipiac until the final seven minutes. She did make three or four terrific saves to preserve the win but that pales in comparison to what Lundberg accomplished against Northeastern. At Matthews Arena no less.
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That doesn't explain it either. There have been numerous cases this season where players were awarded weekly honours on the basis of performances in non-conference games: Goalies Tiley of Clarkson (37 saves vs Providence), Laden of Quinnipiac (2 SO vs Maine), O'Brien of RPI (.963 vs UConn); Players Mercer of Clarkson (4 pts vs Providence), Padalis of SLU (4 pts vs RMU), Bannon of Clarkson (8 pts vs Syracuse), Jenner of Cornell (4 pts vs Mercyhurst/Syracuse); Rookies Sullivan of Colgate (2G vs RMU), Cianfarano of Quinnipiac (2 GWG vs Maine), Harmon of Clarkson (4 pts vs Syracuse), O'Connor of Cornell (vs Mercyhurst/Syracuse)
Again, certain teams and players tend to figure most prominently in the awards from week to week. I also recall a specific incident from a couple of seasons ago where a defenseman figured in all but one of the 5 goals scored by her team against league competition in their 2 games which were each decided by a single goal. I figured she had to be a lock for the award. The award instead went to a forward who got about 6 pts on the more dozen+ goals her team scored in 3 lopsided games against a weak non-conference opponent. Sometimes you really have to wonder...
That doesn't explain it either. There have been numerous cases this season where players were awarded weekly honours on the basis of performances in non-conference games: Goalies Tiley of Clarkson (37 saves vs Providence), Laden of Quinnipiac (2 SO vs Maine), O'Brien of RPI (.963 vs UConn); Players Mercer of Clarkson (4 pts vs Providence), Padalis of SLU (4 pts vs RMU), Bannon of Clarkson (8 pts vs Syracuse), Jenner of Cornell (4 pts vs Mercyhurst/Syracuse); Rookies Sullivan of Colgate (2G vs RMU), Cianfarano of Quinnipiac (2 GWG vs Maine), Harmon of Clarkson (4 pts vs Syracuse), O'Connor of Cornell (vs Mercyhurst/Syracuse)
Again, certain teams and players tend to figure most prominently in the awards from week to week. I also recall a specific incident from a couple of seasons ago where a defenseman figured in all but one of the 5 goals scored by her team against league competition in their 2 games which were each decided by a single goal. I figured she had to be a lock for the award. The award instead went to a forward who got about 6 pts on the more dozen+ goals her team scored in 3 lopsided games against a weak non-conference opponent. Sometimes you really have to wonder...
Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
Josephine Pucci was back on the ice v Brown, nice to see. http://www.gocrimson.com/sports/wice/2014-15/boxscores/20150102_lt05.xml
Josephine Pucci was back on the ice v Brown, nice to see. http://www.gocrimson.com/sports/wice/2014-15/boxscores/20150102_lt05.xml
driventoit
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Wonderful news, thanks! (The only game I haven't seen or followed all season.
And . . . I missed that wonderful character who does the Brown play-by-play. Sounds like he would have been at his bored, amusing, knowledgeable best last night.)
Wonderful news, thanks! (The only game I haven't seen or followed all season.
And . . . I missed that wonderful character who does the Brown play-by-play. Sounds like he would have been at his bored, amusing, knowledgeable best last night.)
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Watson Rink
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Yes, Santa Claus did it....Pucci is back, indeed all five of last year's missing players were on the ice, playing significant minutes (none of that suiting up but DNPing business).
Armstrong, Fry, Picard, Pucci and Tissenbaum (sounds like a law firm). All back. Say it loud, there's an orchestra playing. Let the second semester begin!
Nice game last night, BTW: 10 different players on the score sheet. 5-for-5 on the PK plus a shorty. If you check out the play-by-play announcer, though, I'd say he was knowledgeable, insightful and gracious as always but a little short on the amusementometer this time around. Can't be perfect.
And the fourth line played significant shifts!
Yes, Santa Claus did it....Pucci is back, indeed all five of last year's missing players were on the ice, playing significant minutes (none of that suiting up but DNPing business).
Armstrong, Fry, Picard, Pucci and Tissenbaum (sounds like a law firm). All back. Say it loud, there's an orchestra playing. Let the second semester begin!
Nice game last night, BTW: 10 different players on the score sheet. 5-for-5 on the PK plus a shorty. If you check out the play-by-play announcer, though, I'd say he was knowledgeable, insightful and gracious as always but a little short on the amusementometer this time around. Can't be perfect.
And the fourth line played significant shifts!
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driventoit
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An interesting aspect of yesterday's win at Yale was that Maschmeyer shared her duties with two other keepers, Mawshmeyer and Marshmeyer. At times it sounded as if Mooschmeyer also saw some action, but I doubt that Harvard could have gotten away with dressing four goalies. Also of note was a previously unknown walk-on player named Gucci, who played a lot of D, especially in the second period. The Yale press box paid no attention to these somewhat striking developments.
An interesting aspect of yesterday's win at Yale was that Maschmeyer shared her duties with two other keepers, Mawshmeyer and Marshmeyer. At times it sounded as if Mooschmeyer also saw some action, but I doubt that Harvard could have gotten away with dressing four goalies. Also of note was a previously unknown walk-on player named Gucci, who played a lot of D, especially in the second period. The Yale press box paid no attention to these somewhat striking developments.
HockeyEast33
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It's good that Pucci can take the ice again, but at some point you have to worry about the long term effects of the numerous concussions it appears she has had - a question of able to play vs should she be playing. Isn't this the second extended concussion absence for her (I could be wrong here)? If so, then I would have to really worry about her long term health. And before all of the "I don't think Harvard would let her back on the ice if she wasn't OK" posts, I'll just say it is easy to pass an Impact test and get a Return to Play result if you know what you are doing in taking the test and what to say. I have to admit it though - I am surprised Harvard would take the liability risk of letting her play again if it is her second return after a major break for concussion.
It's good that Pucci can take the ice again, but at some point you have to worry about the long term effects of the numerous concussions it appears she has had - a question of able to play vs should she be playing. Isn't this the second extended concussion absence for her (I could be wrong here)? If so, then I would have to really worry about her long term health. And before all of the "I don't think Harvard would let her back on the ice if she wasn't OK" posts, I'll just say it is easy to pass an Impact test and get a Return to Play result if you know what you are doing in taking the test and what to say. I have to admit it though - I am surprised Harvard would take the liability risk of letting her play again if it is her second return after a major break for concussion.
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And I was taken to task for wondering why Harvard waited so long to remove her from the active roster given her concussion history. From comments made by Coach Stone after the Brown game, it appears they wanted to give her more time to heal and see if she would be able to play this year. I agree with your sentiment about the risks of her continuing to play. Her long term health is more important than playing hockey. She has her whole life in front of her and we've already seen what lingering effects from concussions do to these athletes. I have no information on Harvard's liability protection where their athletes are concerned but it's safe to assume that they have quite a bit of experience in terms of risk management of injuries especially those that can be considered long term. Either way, Josephine should be allowed to make the final call on her comfort level for playing.
And I was taken to task for wondering why Harvard waited so long to remove her from the active roster given her concussion history. From comments made by Coach Stone after the Brown game, it appears they wanted to give her more time to heal and see if she would be able to play this year. I agree with your sentiment about the risks of her continuing to play. Her long term health is more important than playing hockey. She has her whole life in front of her and we've already seen what lingering effects from concussions do to these athletes. I have no information on Harvard's liability protection where their athletes are concerned but it's safe to assume that they have quite a bit of experience in terms of risk management of injuries especially those that can be considered long term. Either way, Josephine should be allowed to make the final call on her comfort level for playing.
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One surprise from the weekend was Sarah Edney's omission from the lineup. Katey Stone only mentioned that they were looking forward to getting Sarah back to full health so I'm hoping it is just the flu or some illness. Don't recall her getting hurt in the Quinny game at Bright prior to exams.
One surprise from the weekend was Sarah Edney's omission from the lineup. Katey Stone only mentioned that they were looking forward to getting Sarah back to full health so I'm hoping it is just the flu or some illness. Don't recall her getting hurt in the Quinny game at Bright prior to exams.
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My guess would be that she's playing for Canada at the Nation's Cup in Germany.
HockeyEast33
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Fully agree - in the end it is the athlete's decision as long as the university has bought off on the return to play criteria being met. I guess you could say "well, she brought it on herself" if she has continuing long term effects, but I still worry for players who take on this risk after such an extensive concussion history.
Fully agree - in the end it is the athlete's decision as long as the university has bought off on the return to play criteria being met. I guess you could say "well, she brought it on herself" if she has continuing long term effects, but I still worry for players who take on this risk after such an extensive concussion history.
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I do as well. I have to believe her family, Coach Stone, the University and others have been going back and forth on this. I did speak to Jo on a couple of occasions while she was recovering two years ago and then again last year while the Olympic team was training for the Games. She was confident that all signs were pointing towards no ill effects but that may have been youth optimism. Ultimately, I hope it all works out for her and that she gets all the benefits of a Harvard education in whatever field she chooses after graduation.
I do as well. I have to believe her family, Coach Stone, the University and others have been going back and forth on this. I did speak to Jo on a couple of occasions while she was recovering two years ago and then again last year while the Olympic team was training for the Games. She was confident that all signs were pointing towards no ill effects but that may have been youth optimism. Ultimately, I hope it all works out for her and that she gets all the benefits of a Harvard education in whatever field she chooses after graduation.
Watson Rink
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Looks more and more like the team we hoped we'd be seeing. Good numbers: thirteen players on the score sheet, four lines rolled all night, all five of last year's missing players on the ice.
Looks more and more like the team we hoped we'd be seeing. Good numbers: thirteen players on the score sheet, four lines rolled all night, all five of last year's missing players on the ice.
Re: Harvard Crimson 2014-15
Well tonight's game was more of a scrimmage than a real game. Harvard was never threatened and controlled the action in each period. There were times when the Crimson appeared like they were on an endless power play. It was that bad.
Miye D'Oench got the scoring started taking a nice feed from Hilary Crowe out front jamming it five hole. Syd Daniels, who is absolutely white hot, scored the first of her three goals with a slap shot from above the left circle over the goalie's shoulder. After a bad giveaway in Harvard's D zone which led to UConn's first goal, the Crimson responded with a beautiful redirect by Lexie Laing of a Marissa Gedman slap shot from the point.
UConn settled down a bit in the second period but Harvard expanded their lead with Miye D'Oench's second goal off another redirect in front and Syd Daniels roofing a rebound while getting knocked to the ice.
It was more of the same in the third - Daniels finishing off her hat trick, Mary Parker using her stick to redirect a cross ice pass from Lexie Laing on a two on one past the goalie and Abby Frazier scoring her first while flat on her back on the PP. Yup, Harvard scored goals in pretty much every way imaginable.
Some notable changes in the lineup. Kalley Armstrong was back centering the first line between Daniels and Lyndsey Fry. Lexie Laing moved to center between Mary Parker and Karly Heffernan on the third line and Robyn White took a regular shift for Sarah Edney. And here's something to surely disappoint those who say that Katey Stone will never change. She played FOUR LINES tonight. From the drop of the puck to start the carnage, everyone played meaningful minutes. No one was overused. Molly Tissenbaum took over for Brianna Laing for the third period. This may have been a first for Harvard and Coach Stone but it really will help this team down the stretch.
Finally, it was great to see Jo Pucci back playing. She brings so much to this team - her presence alone seemed to energize the Crimson. Players were smiling and laughing - I haven't seen that from a Crimson team in a long time. They played loose and confident - moving the puck with speed and precision. True, the opposition was weak but that shouldn't detract from the Crimson's effort. They skated with urgency right up until the final whistle.
On to the Capital District.
Well tonight's game was more of a scrimmage than a real game. Harvard was never threatened and controlled the action in each period. There were times when the Crimson appeared like they were on an endless power play. It was that bad.
Miye D'Oench got the scoring started taking a nice feed from Hilary Crowe out front jamming it five hole. Syd Daniels, who is absolutely white hot, scored the first of her three goals with a slap shot from above the left circle over the goalie's shoulder. After a bad giveaway in Harvard's D zone which led to UConn's first goal, the Crimson responded with a beautiful redirect by Lexie Laing of a Marissa Gedman slap shot from the point.
UConn settled down a bit in the second period but Harvard expanded their lead with Miye D'Oench's second goal off another redirect in front and Syd Daniels roofing a rebound while getting knocked to the ice.
It was more of the same in the third - Daniels finishing off her hat trick, Mary Parker using her stick to redirect a cross ice pass from Lexie Laing on a two on one past the goalie and Abby Frazier scoring her first while flat on her back on the PP. Yup, Harvard scored goals in pretty much every way imaginable.
Some notable changes in the lineup. Kalley Armstrong was back centering the first line between Daniels and Lyndsey Fry. Lexie Laing moved to center between Mary Parker and Karly Heffernan on the third line and Robyn White took a regular shift for Sarah Edney. And here's something to surely disappoint those who say that Katey Stone will never change. She played FOUR LINES tonight. From the drop of the puck to start the carnage, everyone played meaningful minutes. No one was overused. Molly Tissenbaum took over for Brianna Laing for the third period. This may have been a first for Harvard and Coach Stone but it really will help this team down the stretch.
Finally, it was great to see Jo Pucci back playing. She brings so much to this team - her presence alone seemed to energize the Crimson. Players were smiling and laughing - I haven't seen that from a Crimson team in a long time. They played loose and confident - moving the puck with speed and precision. True, the opposition was weak but that shouldn't detract from the Crimson's effort. They skated with urgency right up until the final whistle.
On to the Capital District.