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HARVARD CRIMSON 2010-2011 - A New Beginning

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Nope, I actually heard it on the radio.

Didn't want to come off as if I was accusing (realize that I did though, my bad). It should not surprise me for WEEI to make this type of leap in logic (GM is Harvard grad, therefore GM will hire Harvard coach) but I still didn't really believe it (I would also be incredulous if the situation was GM is < insert college > grad so therefore GM will hire < insert college > coach) so was searching for alternate explanations. Thought that might be one.

Again, my apologies. FWIW, this conversation has at least been civil unlike many on the topic in the past so I certainly don't want to be the person throwing stones.
 
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It should not surprise me for WEEI to make this type of leap in logic (GM is Harvard grad, therefore GM will hire Harvard coach) but I still didn't really believe it (I would also be incredulous if the situation was GM is < insert college > grad so therefore GM will hire < insert college > coach) so was searching for alternate explanations.

So I shouldn't start the Mike Schafer to Dallas rumors? :)
 
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So I shouldn't start the Mike Schafer to Dallas rumors? :)

LOL. if the boys down on Causeway really wanted to help their alma mater they'd offer Schafer some work there if Dallas didn't. Don't Cornell guys always end up working for Harvard alums anyway!

he is not going anywhere. he knows the travel with pro hockey better than anyone and it sucks. with young kids and a good family guy, it aint 's happening
So true. There's a lot of heavy lifting in NHL coaching and Teddy's not up for that b.s at this point in his life. The Harvard job is a relatively stress-free, plumb position. It's a destination, not a launching pad, almost more of a reward than anything else. It must have been a slow day down at WEEI that day. Teddy is very happy at Harvard and he's there long, long-term.
 
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Teddy is very happy at Harvard and he's there long, long-term.
Well, yeah - if the decision were up to him. However, I have to think there's a large chunk of the athletic administration and hockey alumni base who are not going to be satisfied, long-term, with 9, 9, and 12 win seasons.
 
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Well, yeah - if the decision were up to him. However, I have to think there's a large chunk of the athletic administration and hockey alumni base who are not going to be satisfied, long-term, with 9, 9, and 12 win seasons.

As a frustrated Harvard hockey fan, alum, and season ticket holder... that is the problem...9, 9, 12 is acceptable at Harvard because Ted is an alum.

Personally, I think a coach should be selected on his or her coaching history. Ted had none, but it appears Donato's name was more important to Scalise than coaching abilities. Not a good decision in my opinion.

Dang, might as well bring Cleary back, he was on the bench coaching Ted while Ted tried to coach the team.

I make some jest about it, but really, when will Harvard wise up?! H had a nice run the in the 1980s but those days are long gone behind them. For a school to be playing since '48 in the NCAA H does not show well. Sure everything is cyclic, but admit it, will you feel the same way H fans if we've another under .500 season? What will it take to remove Ted? Or has H already resigned itself to be a bottom feeder in a league that does not garnish much respect to begin with.

Good luck, as a product, Harvard is turning our feces.
 
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Well, yeah - if the decision were up to him. However, I have to think there's a large chunk of the athletic administration and hockey alumni base who are not going to be satisfied, long-term, with 9, 9, and 12 win seasons.

You're right, but I was speaking to the chances of Teddy leaving of his own accord.

As a frustrated Harvard hockey fan, alum, and season ticket holder... that is the problem...9, 9, 12 is acceptable at Harvard because Ted is an alum.

Personally, I think a coach should be selected on his or her coaching history. Ted had none, but it appears Donato's name was more important to Scalise than coaching abilities. Not a good decision in my opinion.

Dang, might as well bring Cleary back, he was on the bench coaching Ted while Ted tried to coach the team.

I make some jest about it, but really, when will Harvard wise up?! H had a nice run the in the 1980s but those days are long gone behind them. For a school to be playing since '48 in the NCAA H does not show well. Sure everything is cyclic, but admit it, will you feel the same way H fans if we've another under .500 season? What will it take to remove Ted? Or has H already resigned itself to be a bottom feeder in a league that does not garnish much respect to begin with.

Good luck, as a product, Harvard is turning our feces.

I think there is a tacit acknowledgement on the part of the Athletic Dept. that they acted precipitously in hiring Teddy. Teddy has always struggled with details and minutiae; he's a big picture guy. He's a brilliant recruiter but being a hockey coach is so much more. Tomassoni, too, was a brilliant recruiter and he put togther the '89 championship team, yet he wasn't much of a head coach. The administration is trying to prop up Teddy and he's responding OK.

I do not see championships in our future but I do not think there's a huge, vocal fan or alumni base that is clamoring for national titles either. Most, not all, of us are happy with what we have, a likable head coach who runs a clean program. The goal should be to keep the train on the tracks and Teddy's done that. If we had a national championship game in, say, Madison would anybody show up? My guess is maybe a 500-800 max would show. Mazzaloni ruffled a lot of feathers. He was demanding and insensitive to players who didn't see things his way. All he cared about was winning and he had a brusque, my-way-or-the-highway attitude. I think in hiring Teddy the hiring committee wanted to get as far away from that type of person as possible, and in doing so they ignored the experience thing. Or they just took a leap of faith that since Teddy played a ton of hockey at the highest levels he would know how to coach. If more people were really upset with the program maybe Teddy would be on notice but that's just not the case. The lack of pressure for that sort of thing to happen is another reason the Harvard job is regarded as a good one by many coaches.

The Ivy league doesn't often put winning at a premium. That's changed a little in recent years. Tim Taylor finally wore out his welcome. Yale gave him a long rope. Grillo at Brown was given many chances, too. Even Scalise has pulled the plug ( sort of ) on some Harvard head coaches---or so I hear. I don't think Scalise has all the patience in the world but Teddy will have ample opportunity to turn things around. I believe that he will eventually, but I also don't realistically think Harvard will be winning a national title any time soon. It probably won't ever happen under Teddy. For me as a fan, I'm happy with seeing Harvard turn in consistently good efforts and have a nice clean program. I wouldn't be one of those fans willing to travel to Madison and paint my face. There's probably no school that has less of those fans than Harvard ( not trying to be condescending ). Win and they would show up? I don't think so. I hear your frustration, eaglehockeyrules, and maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there are enough of those fans to warrant making drastic changes in the program.
 
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From day 1 there has been no fan support
love watching he games but its a ghost town there, outside visiting fans. Cornell is embarrasing to the home fans
Donato is a very good coach and the team finished strong, expect good things this year from several, Kilhorn in particular
 
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Keith Allain has no problem putting butts in the seats and he runs a nice, clean program. Teddy is a terrific guy; no argument, but 30-57-10 is a dismal record by any standard.

For years hockey was the franchise sport at Harvard. With an Allain quality coach I think the program can be again. From what I've seen we have plenty of talent. What we need is someone to develop that talent into a TEAM. We go 17-4-1 (Y-2011) and I bet Bright will rock again.
 
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Keith Allain has no problem putting butts in the seats and he runs a nice, clean program. Teddy is a terrific guy; no argument, but 30-57-10 is a dismal record by any standard.

For years hockey was the franchise sport at Harvard. With an Allain quality coach I think the program can be again. From what I've seen we have plenty of talent. What we need is someone to develop that talent into a TEAM. We go 17-4-1 (Y-2011) and I bet Bright will rock again.

and there was butts in the seats long before Allain got there.

Ted is the man and look for team to have a breakout year
 
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You're right, but I was speaking to the chances of Teddy leaving of his own accord.



I think there is a tacit acknowledgement on the part of the Athletic Dept. that they acted precipitously in hiring Teddy. Teddy has always struggled with details and minutiae; he's a big picture guy. He's a brilliant recruiter but being a hockey coach is so much more. Tomassoni, too, was a brilliant recruiter and he put together the '89 championship team, yet he wasn't much of a head coach. The administration is trying to prop up Teddy and he's responding OK.

I do not see championships in our future but I do not think there's a huge, vocal fan or alumni base that is clamoring for national titles either. Most, not all, of us are happy with what we have, a likable head coach who runs a clean program. The goal should be to keep the train on the tracks and Teddy's done that. If we had a national championship game in, say, Madison would anybody show up? My guess is maybe a 500-800 max would show. Mazzaloni ruffled a lot of feathers. He was demanding and insensitive to players who didn't see things his way. All he cared about was winning and he had a brusque, my-way-or-the-highway attitude. I think in hiring Teddy the hiring committee wanted to get as far away from that type of person as possible, and in doing so they ignored the experience thing. Or they just took a leap of faith that since Teddy played a ton of hockey at the highest levels he would know how to coach. If more people were really upset with the program maybe Teddy would be on notice but that's just not the case. The lack of pressure for that sort of thing to happen is another reason the Harvard job is regarded as a good one by many coaches.

The Ivy league doesn't often put winning at a premium. That's changed a little in recent years. Tim Taylor finally wore out his welcome. Yale gave him a long rope. Grillo at Brown was given many chances, too. Even Scalise has pulled the plug ( sort of ) on some Harvard head coaches---or so I hear. I don't think Scalise has all the patience in the world but Teddy will have ample opportunity to turn things around. I believe that he will eventually, but I also don't realistically think Harvard will be winning a national title any time soon. It probably won't ever happen under Teddy. For me as a fan, I'm happy with seeing Harvard turn in consistently good efforts and have a nice clean program. I wouldn't be one of those fans willing to travel to Madison and paint my face. There's probably no school that has less of those fans than Harvard ( not trying to be condescending ). Win and they would show up? I don't think so. I hear your frustration, eaglehockeyrules, and maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there are enough of those fans to warrant making drastic changes in the program.

Good points all around, CMKnight, but Harvard/Scalise did a lot to retain Tim Murphy when the Indiana grid iron was courting him 2-3 years ago. Likewise, the hoops coach Amaker was a "big acquisition" for the program (though I believe he is as dirty as a pig pen), so it really does seem as though H wants to play with the big boys.

For a bunch of pasty white boys, yes the Ivies lack; I think you still have to ask yourself, "why do the pasty white boys down at Duke do so well in hoops?!" Are they dirty? Are their academic standards not as good? I expect a barrage of comments on academics from The College faithful. It is a known fact H's academics are not the most stringent, wink wink, and no need to mention the grade inflation scandal... right? To say H does not turn a blind eye is to say H has never done anything wrong... and that we all know is a fib. Once you are accepted in, you are in; Anyone, Bueller, minimum GPA?

Nice article on the Back Page of The Crimson today; on how very little H spends on the sports program. We tout 41 D-1 sports, but we put in the 2nd lowest amount into those sports in the Ivy... how much is the endowment these days?! You are right, though, H does not draw like a BC, Minnie, Michigan, Cornell, Maine, etc. As a season ticket holder I see that nearly every game; however, I do not think it is as bad as Hokydad makes it out to be.

I would not seriously expect H to win national championships; however, a Beanpot would (and should) be a reasonable goal, as would a season of over .500 with all of the immense talent H steals from other schools. Each year before Donato took over, H hockey was pre-season ranked in the top 10, but that stopped after the Mazzoleni kids cycled through and USCHO/Coaches, etc. saw Donato for what he is = a fraud as a coach. I also doubt his ability to recruit, and that is a job often left to scouts and those who can see talent in players (I do not think Donato has that gift); however, Ted's job would be to seal the deal - that he has done, but ability to retain... hmm... just ask LeBlanc.

I guess I just do not see what you lads see in Donato, less the whole secret handshake of The College. I could careless about the sentimental-droll-nostalgia of him being a man of character, a teacher, saved a puppy stuck in a fence, a leader, a player... he could have tea with the Pope every week, but he has proven himself a lousy coach with all of the "supposed" talent H gets.

A big difference between BU of the 1990s and BC of the 2000s and H of the 1990s/2000s is not so much coaching, but is the CONDITIONING.

I would love to see those winning days and ways back at Harvard Hockey, but with the current staff at Harvard... ehh, less than .500 is the new norm.

Oh, 1988-1989, how I miss thee... (nah, just good coaching).
 
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Keith Allain has no problem putting butts in the seats and he runs a nice, clean program. Teddy is a terrific guy; no argument, but 30-57-10 is a dismal record by any standard.

For years hockey was the franchise sport at Harvard. With an Allain quality coach I think the program can be again. From what I've seen we have plenty of talent. What we need is someone to develop that talent into a TEAM. We go 17-4-1 (Y-2011) and I bet Bright will rock again.

The franchise sport has been, always will be tennis and squash. Crew: singles, doubles, fours and eights right behind that. Recent sucess with wrestinling a couple of years ago. Football is a very limited D-1AA with no post-season play, so really what is the point? Baseball, yikes, I won't mention that sport Red Rolfe rolling o'er in his grave. Hoops, even with a bought guy from Michigan H, clean as OSU's Tressel, H blew up when the pressure was on.

For some reason though, nostalgia on my part perhaps, I still support Football and Men's Hockey annually... everyone has to support a charity case.
 
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eagle... while Harvard has always been strong in squash and tennis and yes the men's HW eights those sports only draw limited interest/spectators. During the Weiland and many of the Cleary years hockey was king. Heck even the freshman teams would draw crowds. You and I are in complete agreement that coaching is the big problem with this team. Get some winning years and they will fill the new rink... whenever that happens. Hope I live that long.
 
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Show me the box scores that show attendence. Same this year as it was 10 years ago.

Harvard doesnt support the team
 
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eagle... while Harvard has always been strong in squash and tennis and yes the men's HW eights those sports only draw limited interest/spectators. During the Weiland and many of the Cleary years hockey was king. Heck even the freshman teams would draw crowds. You and I are in complete agreement that coaching is the big problem with this team. Get some winning years and they will fill the new rink... whenever that happens. Hope I live that long.

If we had a winning team and played exciting hockey Bright would be filled to the rafters. One only has to look at what's going on at Lavietes Pavillion. Basketball was the pits before Amaker arrived. Now the students and alumni throng in and you can't get a seat. In contrast to hockey basketball never had a tradition or much standing at Harvard. The only bright light was in 1945-1946 when the team was composed mostly of guys who were at Harvard only because of the Armed Forces.

What we need is an Amaker to transform the hockey landscape. If that were to happen everything else would take care of itself.

GO CRIMSON!
 
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true
big difference is Harvard plays BU/BC/Maine in Hockey, basketball team plays the Perkins school of the blind...

Harvard hockey cant get kids in.

Caloff was rejected by Harvard after he committed and ended up being rookie of the year for ECAC at Princeton.
 
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true
big difference is Harvard plays BU/BC/Maine in Hockey, basketball team plays the Perkins school of the blind...

Harvard hockey cant get kids in.

Caloff was rejected by Harvard after he committed and ended up being rookie of the year for ECAC at Princeton.

Your comment suggests to me that you are not really a follower of Harvard basketball. I won't go into detail but merely say you are flat out wrong in your assertion.

As to rejections by Admissions I cannot believe that different standards apply to different sports. I don't know the rationale behind Calof's rejection but I do know that Admissions went all out to admit Alex Biega and Sarah Vallaincourt. Again, when you imply that hockey does not get the same breaks as other sports from Admissions, I totally disagree.

GO CRIMSON!
 
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I didnt say they didnt get same breaks in admin as other teams at Harvard. Other teams at other schools.

I was tounge and cheek on bball schedule. Realatively speaking, hockey plays tougher level... Both bball and hockey are tough but I would say hockey is all in tougher.
 
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