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Happy Independence Day (Weekend)!

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I bet a greater fractions of Canadians can label a map of the US states than Americans can label the provinces. (Seems like a more fair challenge.)

Nah, there are so few provinces that I think most educated Americans would be able to get 7 of 10. I doubt most educated Canadians would get 35 states right.

Still I can't wrap my mind around anybody not being able to at least get Texas and Alaska. What the f-ck, people?

Master class: Russian oblasts.
 
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I got six:
- the two obvious (Leningrad and Moscow)
- Clancy novels mention where seaports are (Murmansk, Sakhalin, Kamchatka)
- and I've chuckled ever since I learned that the one between Sakhalin and Kamchatka is named for a former NY Met (Magadan). :D
 
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I got six:
- the two obvious (Leningrad and Moscow)
- Clancy novels mention where seaports are (Murmansk, Sakhalin, Kamchatka)
- and I've chuckled ever since I learned that the one between Sakhalin and Kamchatka is named for a former NY Met (Magadan). :D

I remember when I first saw that and laughed out loud. It was like realizing that Max Bialystok's last name comes from a Polish shtetl because of A World at War. (It's in the middle of a marsh that's larger than Alberta. Do not take armor in there.)

Still no word where "Schneck" came from.

The only Russian ones I got came from Risk.
 
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Western Australia: Perth
Northern Territory: Darwin
Queensland: Brisbane
New South Wales: Sydney
Victoria: Melbourne
South Australia: Adelaide
Tasmania: Hobart
A.C.T.: Canberra

Now draw the Barassi Line!

This is unbelievable. Did you live there?
 
This is unbelievable. Did you live there?
No, my Wife has family though. Also, time zone differences lead to Australian sports being on at a reasonable late hour here so I've had interest in Aussie Rules, the A-League, and Super whateverthe*itisnow Rugby. That interest lead me to research about the place.
 
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I can name all of the Canadian provinces and capitals (including the 3 territories), but before I took over our contract with Bell Canada I would have been lucky to probably name half? The Philippines is a different geographic beast but I have mastered much of it now.

At the mall yesterday there was a small ceremony for July 4 which was the original independence day established in 1946 after gaining independence from the US. It was eventually renamed Filipino-American Friendship Day, then Republic Day and 'new' independence day was declared for June 12 going forward to commemorate their separation from Spain in 1898. Republic Day was even moved to a day in November before being moved back to July 4 at one point. Like just about everything else here even their holidays lack simplicity.
 
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I can name all of the Canadian provinces and capitals (including the 3 territories), but before I took over our contract with Bell Canada I would have been lucky to probably name half? The Philippines is a different geographic beast but I have mastered much of it now.

At the mall yesterday there was a small ceremony for July 4 which was the original independence day established in 1946 after gaining independence from the US. It was eventually renamed Filipino-American Friendship Day, then Republic Day and 'new' independence day was declared for June 12 going forward to commemorate their separation from Spain in 1898. Republic Day was even moved to a day in November before being moved back to July 4 at one point. Like just about everything else here even their holidays lack simplicity.

How are you liking it there? From a completely ignorant perspective the Philippines seems like living hell to me: crowded, grinding poverty, crime, and the worst climate on the planet. I feel like the Ugly American just thinking about it.

True fact: because Dr. Mrs. worked for a HI senator we know a huge number of Hawaiians and Japanese. They hate the Filipinos with the kind of unreconstructed, unselfconscious free form racism you never find in the US anymore outside of a Trump rally. The only group lower on the Pacific Islander food chain appears to be the Chamorro.
 
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How are you liking it there? From a completely ignorant perspective the Philippines seems like living hell to me: crowded, grinding poverty, crime, and the worst climate on the planet. I feel like the Ugly American just thinking about it.

True fact: because Dr. Mrs. worked for a HI senator we know a huge number of Hawaiians and Japanese. They hate the Filipinos with the kind of unreconstructed, unselfconscious free form racism you never find in the US anymore outside of a Trump rally. The only group lower on the Pacific Islander food chain appears to be the Chamorro.

It's a loaded question and I could go on (I have just started a memoir entitled, "I'm sorry sir, we're out of that: It's not always more fun in the Philippines") but will try to summarize. It's everything you've described without the minutiae. Truth be told I could name a half-dozen other SE Asian countries I'd prefer to inhabit, but beyond the obvious/is obvious aspects it's not that bad. I live near Clark Freeport which was formerly dominated by the US Military. Manila is about 90 minutes south. Beaches/resorts of many kinds are about a few hours drive, many more by plane via a small but international airport.

It is very crowded without question. They haven't the resources (the wherewithal?) to create the infrastructure to support the base, but outside Manila it's merely rush hour Dallas not L.A. It's hot but it's SE Asia. The people are extremely friendly, but to a fault their #1 concern is to party. Not feed their children. Not manage the environment. Not self-governance. To party.

They are a people of dichotomies. When driving they will cut you off as if their life depended upon their getting somewhere in a hurry then drive under the speed limit. A drivers license is purchased not earned. They are never in a hurry, but once the elevator door opens those waiting to get on will try to enter before allowing those wishing to depart to vacate. They won't complain about slow service but cut you out in line. Every restaurant you visit - fast food, local one-off of every culture, even high-end dining - has never been out of at least one major dish or ingredient you were just dying to order. The idea of apologizing or Parise-forbid compensating you for the inconvenience is non-existent.

Work is an afterthought. If you have a roof to stop the rain and a Red Horse to get you drunk it's enough. I have had managers at 25 years of age quit because they needed rest. Fucking rest. I never once heard of sore eyes, hypertension, LBM, vertigo, or "high-risk pregnancy" being a regular reason for a local 'doctor' to prescribe bed-rest rather than go to work until I moved here. If a cousin's, mother's, neighbor's niece dies you need to attend a 4-day funeral.

I have the best attrition rate in the friggin country (long story how I know that) and it takes all I can to keep it under 6%. In the U.S. with the same company it was less than 1%.

So *** right? The weather is hot, but I've never been bothered. The people are generally lazy as s**t, but despite having nothing would give you the shirt off their back if you asked. The people that want to make something of themselves are brilliant and every bit as productive as what you'd find back home and if you ask them to run head first into a brick wall they will. Littering appears to be a national pastime, but I've seen as many gorgeous countrysides, mountains, valleys and beaches as anyplace I've ever been.

I could honestly write for hours and I'm not doing it full justice with the above. I hate/love it and if you offered me the same career opportunity back home I'd take it, and I'd feel sad as shit the second the wheel left the tarmac.
 
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That's very interesting, thanks for taking the time to write it up.

The right balance of work ethic to me is to average your experience with Filipinos and my experience with Americans. I can understand, intellectually at least, people who are so unmotivated that it becomes a problem, but I have experienced the opposite sin 100 times more frequently, even in places that are supposedly snail's pace like the PNW and the South. To my mind, Americans' hypertension about work has made our lives a living hell, and we could use a gallon of ease to a thimble of Protestant Work Ethic. :)
 
In Congress, July 4, 1776.


The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
 
Thanks Kep. It's been a long time since I last read that. Always a good idea to remind ourselves what this nation is supposed to be all about. Not that it was all that challenging but, it actually makes my 23 years in the military even more meaningful.
 
Thanks Kep. It's been a long time since I last read that. Always a good idea to remind ourselves what this nation is supposed to be all about. Not that it was all that challenging but, it actually makes my 23 years in the military even more meaningful.

Seconded as to the thanks and your comment. And as follow up, I'll repost a quote from another thread: Jefferson's public comment for the 1826 July 4th celebration, which turned out to the the day of his death (and that of his friend and adversary, John Adams):


May it be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government . . . . All eyes are opened or opening to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few, booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God. These are grounds of hope for others; for ourselves, let the annual return of this day forever refresh our recollections of these rights, and an undiminished devotion to them.

Joseph Ellis, Founding Brothers, 246 (2000) (citations omitted).
 
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