Re: Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
Which is part of what happened at Neumann and Potsdam.
Which is part of what happened at Neumann and Potsdam.
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Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
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Re: Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
SNC has had enough success over the years, what if it goes the Notre Dame route and plays unafilliated. Sure they lose the AQ, but they can schedule who they want and as long as they win they'll have a good shot at a at-large bid.
Scholastica should join the MIAC, if they can. Their sports have really grown in success the last few years and would fit in well with that conference.
SNC has had enough success over the years, what if it goes the Notre Dame route and plays unafilliated. Sure they lose the AQ, but they can schedule who they want and as long as they win they'll have a good shot at a at-large bid.
Scholastica should join the MIAC, if they can. Their sports have really grown in success the last few years and would fit in well with that conference.
Re: Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
In theory that's great, but then they are at the mercy of the other teams in the region (see Adrian, pre-MCHA auto qualifier). If the good teams won't schedule them, their SOS would be too suspect to even get an at-large to the NCAA. No, I think St. Norbert needs to find a home too. Even if they join the WIAC without an auto-bid, they would be in the hunt for Pool B because they would have the tougher schedule with the Wisconsin schools.
In theory that's great, but then they are at the mercy of the other teams in the region (see Adrian, pre-MCHA auto qualifier). If the good teams won't schedule them, their SOS would be too suspect to even get an at-large to the NCAA. No, I think St. Norbert needs to find a home too. Even if they join the WIAC without an auto-bid, they would be in the hunt for Pool B because they would have the tougher schedule with the Wisconsin schools.
Russell Jaslow
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Re: Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
But they are only going to look at that outlier compared to the regular student population, not compared to other teams.
But they are only going to look at that outlier compared to the regular student population, not compared to other teams.
Russell Jaslow
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Re: Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
It will be virtually impossible to schedule 25 games as a lone independent in Division III hockey.
It will be virtually impossible to schedule 25 games as a lone independent in Division III hockey.
NorthernLite
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Re: Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
What current UW schools are out there that have the potential or possible interest to add DIII hockey as a sport ?
What current UW schools are out there that have the potential or possible interest to add DIII hockey as a sport ?
Russell Jaslow
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Re: Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
None, according to the article I read.
None, according to the article I read.
Matt Rennell
Migrating to d3hockey.com
Re: Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
Here is a very informational piece from the webb site on this issue with extensive quotes from the WIAC commish.
http://www.d3hockey.com/columns/around-the-nation/2011-12/120215-around-the-wiac
Here is a very informational piece from the webb site on this issue with extensive quotes from the WIAC commish.
http://www.d3hockey.com/columns/around-the-nation/2011-12/120215-around-the-wiac
Re: Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
There are 13 UWs in the system.
The WIAC currently has 5 playing hockey.
There are 3 that are D1 schools in sports. (Madison, Milwaukee, & Green Bay)
One of them is a DII school in sports. (Parkside)
One has already publically said no to hockey. (Oshkosh)
One had a DIII hockey program years ago and dropped it. (Whitewater)
That leaves 2 DIII schools that have shown no interest in Hockey. (LaCrosse & Platteville)
The WIAC will have to take SNC and SSC back under the umbrella, or poach teams from other conferences to reach the #7. Otherwise, they'll have to fight it out for Pool C, because their is no talk of any public or private institutions adding on hockey programs in this area.
There are 13 UWs in the system.
The WIAC currently has 5 playing hockey.
There are 3 that are D1 schools in sports. (Madison, Milwaukee, & Green Bay)
One of them is a DII school in sports. (Parkside)
One has already publically said no to hockey. (Oshkosh)
One had a DIII hockey program years ago and dropped it. (Whitewater)
That leaves 2 DIII schools that have shown no interest in Hockey. (LaCrosse & Platteville)
The WIAC will have to take SNC and SSC back under the umbrella, or poach teams from other conferences to reach the #7. Otherwise, they'll have to fight it out for Pool C, because their is no talk of any public or private institutions adding on hockey programs in this area.
Re: Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
In case you guys haven't checked out our feature on this yet: http://www.uscho.com/2012/02/15/wis...-a-shock-to-the-system-st-norbert-coach-says/
We'll have more coverage on this in the coming days as well.
In case you guys haven't checked out our feature on this yet: http://www.uscho.com/2012/02/15/wis...-a-shock-to-the-system-st-norbert-coach-says/
We'll have more coverage on this in the coming days as well.
Re: Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
Didn't recent NCAA legislation kabosh any schools from exploring the D-III to D-I play-up option??
Birdwatcher
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Re: Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
They're already playing D1!! (Western Schools as a whole that is)
They're already playing D1!! (Western Schools as a whole that is)
GB Puck Fan
It's A Great Day For Hockey
Re: Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
D3 to D1 is no longer allowed, unless you are grandfathered in such as Colorado College. UNLESS you don't want to offer scholarships, which SNC categorically rejected.
D3 to D1 is no longer allowed, unless you are grandfathered in such as Colorado College. UNLESS you don't want to offer scholarships, which SNC categorically rejected.
Re: Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
Even that option is no longer available - the NCAA has said no-new play-ups. In doing so, they left RIT stuck with a men's program playing DI and a women's program playing DIII, because they didn't move their women's program before the never-ever dictate became operational. Legislation has been introduced to allow schools (of which I think RIT is the only one, but it is written as a general piece of legislation) caught in that situation to play-up in the other genders.
Even that option is no longer available - the NCAA has said no-new play-ups. In doing so, they left RIT stuck with a men's program playing DI and a women's program playing DIII, because they didn't move their women's program before the never-ever dictate became operational. Legislation has been introduced to allow schools (of which I think RIT is the only one, but it is written as a general piece of legislation) caught in that situation to play-up in the other genders.
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Re: Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
Interesting story in the Stevens Point Journal today saying that St. Scholastica, Northland, Finlandia and Marian are expected to be invited to join the WIAC for hockey. Kind of one glaring omission there. Also interesting was quote from AD saying now they have an opportunity to win championships. Don't they have that now in the NCHA?
http://www.stevenspointjournal.com/sports/article?a=2012202160568&f=573
Interesting story in the Stevens Point Journal today saying that St. Scholastica, Northland, Finlandia and Marian are expected to be invited to join the WIAC for hockey. Kind of one glaring omission there. Also interesting was quote from AD saying now they have an opportunity to win championships. Don't they have that now in the NCHA?
http://www.stevenspointjournal.com/sports/article?a=2012202160568&f=573
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PrezdeJohnson09
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Re: Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
I'd say there are two glaring omissions there if we are considering MCHA schools.
I'd say there are two glaring omissions there if we are considering MCHA schools.
Matt Rennell
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Re: Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
Translation...."We can't beat St. Norbert so we are taking our puck and going home and also forming our own league and crowning our own champion each year."
Congrats UW-XXX you can win the WIAC, too bad your NCAA title hopes are now a mere pipe-dream and you have no one to blame but yourselves. Of course, as you admit, you weren't winning anything to begin with so really there is no difference.
Translation...."We can't beat St. Norbert so we are taking our puck and going home and also forming our own league and crowning our own champion each year."
Congrats UW-XXX you can win the WIAC, too bad your NCAA title hopes are now a mere pipe-dream and you have no one to blame but yourselves. Of course, as you admit, you weren't winning anything to begin with so really there is no difference.
Hammer
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Re: Good Bye NCHA, Hello WIAC. Grab a life vest SNC and CSS!
If I'm in the MIAC and MCHA front offices, I'm placing multiple calls to my resident members and reminding (and thanking) them with regards to their conference loyalty, and reminding them of that little thing called the Automatic Qualifier that our conference currently has. I'd also mention how it's such a shame about the NCHA breaking up, what with those 5 Wisconsin schools now being without an AQ for a few years, and a minimal chance of NCAA participation, along with anyone that joins them, since they would be in the same boat. And if I'm on the phone with a private institution, I let it drop that the state schools of Wisconsin are leaving the two private schools out in the cold....
And then my very next phone calls are to the athletic departments in De Pere and Duluth, suggesting that we get together real, real soon and have lunch.
If I'm in the MIAC and MCHA front offices, I'm placing multiple calls to my resident members and reminding (and thanking) them with regards to their conference loyalty, and reminding them of that little thing called the Automatic Qualifier that our conference currently has. I'd also mention how it's such a shame about the NCHA breaking up, what with those 5 Wisconsin schools now being without an AQ for a few years, and a minimal chance of NCAA participation, along with anyone that joins them, since they would be in the same boat. And if I'm on the phone with a private institution, I let it drop that the state schools of Wisconsin are leaving the two private schools out in the cold....
And then my very next phone calls are to the athletic departments in De Pere and Duluth, suggesting that we get together real, real soon and have lunch.
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