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Golf thread

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Shane Lowry walked onto the 1st tee tied for 1st. He proceeded to shoot 63, and now leads by 4 going into tomorrow.
 
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mookie1995 said:
Stubhub Canada has loads of tickets :p
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That's the exact problem. It's not just golf, but all sports/high demand events:


Tickets go on sale. Average person tries a frustrating process, but fails. Moments after "Sold Out" is declared, 100s of tickets pop up on resale sites at double or more face value. The fact that brokers are so pervasive in the process is frustrating as an average fan.
 
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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Since tickets have gone full digital now, just make it a "Guest List" type of deal. You show an ID, you get let in. Name on ID must match the name on the list. Under 15 years old doesn't need an ID. Enter all information at time of sale. That is how it needs to be done if any promoter is serious about wanting to put tickets in the hands of people that actually want to be there when they are initially sold.

Unfortunately you have TicketBastard double dipping their fees (fees on initial sale then fees on 2nd hand sales through "official reseller" sites). So it'll never happen :rolleyes:
 
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I don't necessarily have a problem with the way tickets are handled now, and certainly the direction in which we are moving. I think most entities that are selling tickets to their product, whether it's a professional sports team, a university, or an event like the Ryder Cup, have their own officially sanctioned or operated "exchange."

Just setting an arbitrary face value for an event and then putting them out there, and making up rules that only those people can attend, is silly. Put them on the marketplace and lets see what they sell for based upon demand.

The old way of standing in line for tickets (which I've done numerous times in my life) is quaint but antiquated.
 
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SJHovey said:
I don't necessarily have a problem with the way tickets are handled now, and certainly the direction in which we are moving. I think most entities that are selling tickets to their product, whether it's a professional sports team, a university, or an event like the Ryder Cup, have their own officially sanctioned or operated "exchange."

Just setting an arbitrary face value for an event and then putting them out there, and making up rules that only those people can attend, is silly. Put them on the marketplace and lets see what they sell for based upon demand.

The old way of standing in line for tickets (which I've done numerous times in my life) is quaint but antiquated.
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The issue is that currently upwards of 40% of tickets to high demand events end up in the hands of people who have no intention of using the tickets. Those people buy them with the sole purpose of flipping them for a profit. By doing that, they are preventing the same people that they end up selling to a chance to get in the venue without the markup. That is where the issue comes in.

Ticket brokers also are not just getting tickets through the general sales process like your average Joe. They are using inside methods like comped Friends & Family tickets.
 
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RaceBoarder said:
The issue is that currently upwards of 40% of tickets to high demand events end up in the hands of people who have no intention of using the tickets. Those people buy them with the sole purpose of flipping them for a profit. By doing that, they are preventing the same people that they end up selling to a chance to get in the venue without the markup. That is where the issue comes in.

Ticket brokers also are not just getting tickets through the general sales process like your average Joe. They are using inside methods like comped Friends & Family tickets.
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Sure, but they are only selling them for a profit if the demand exists.

If you think about it, what is "face value?" It's just a figure that the event promoter guesses as being a market value for the tickets isn't it? Doesn't the secondary market just correct that figure?
 
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SJHovey said:
Sure, but they are only selling them for a profit if the demand exists.

If you think about it, what is "face value?" It's just a figure that the event promoter guesses as being a market value for the tickets isn't it? Doesn't the secondary market just correct that figure?
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Yes and no... Here's an example:

Scenario A: 200 tickets available/$10 each. 200 people want to go to the event. If all 200 people get tickets, the demand is met. Everyone gets in for original $2000. There is no secondary market.

Scenario B: 200 tickets available/$10 each. 200 people want to go to the event. Ticket Brokers get 40 tickets. They charge $20/each. You now have 40 "fans" paying inflated prices. It now costs $2400 to get all the fans into the venue.

It's the same 200 people going into the venue. It just costs an additional 20% for everyone to get in for Scenario B. Brokers are just an added cost to fans. It's an "A-hole" tax if you will. They are an independent 3rd party with zero reason to exist except to be an added burden on the fans.
 
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RaceBoarder said:
Yes and no... Here's an example:

Scenario A: 200 tickets available/$10 each. 200 people want to go to the event. If all 200 people get tickets, the demand is met. Everyone gets in for original $2000. There is no secondary market.

Scenario B: 200 tickets available/$10 each. 200 people want to go to the event. Ticket Brokers get 40 tickets. They charge $20/each. You now have 40 "fans" paying inflated prices. It now costs $2400 to get all the fans into the venue.

It's the same 200 people going into the venue. It just costs an additional 20% for everyone to get in for Scenario B. Brokers are just an added cost to fans. It's an "A-hole" tax if you will. They are an independent 3rd party with zero reason to exist except to be an added burden on the fans.
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But in your example the $2000 is an artificially low figure. Even the $2400 may be. We wouldn't know until all of the tickets were put on the exchange. If the market says that all of the tickets would be sold at $30, is there some reason the "burden" on the fans to get in should only be $2000, using your example?

Aren't a lot of the brokers either directly connected with or in contract with the event sponsor? I know that a lot of professional teams and universities have ticket exchanges, in many instances "exclusive" or "sponsored".

Take the Ryder Cup, the event that prompted this discussion. I think PrimeSports is the company that is handling their ticket exchange. I think that's the same company that does the ticket exchange for the College World Series. My guess is that both the college world series and the ryder cup are benefiting financially from that relationship.

The secondary market only works if there is demand. I remember the Frozen Four in Columbus in 2005 where people couldn't get $10 for their tickets.

The sponsors are doing things the correct way. They put some tickets out on the market, but a limited number, thus assuring a base of people shut out from the tickets. The limited nature of the tickets creates an artificial demand (see: Beanie Babies) which then causes people to blow $150 to see Taylor Swift.

The only reason people are paying higher than face value for tickets on the secondary market is.......people are paying higher than face value on the secondary market.
 
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How about this? The promoter decides what they value their concert at and the fans make a decision on that value.

Instead, no one except those of means can afford to make it to the concert now. Shocking you don’t see the problem there. FYIGM.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
How about this? The promoter decides what they value their concert at and the fans make a decision on that value.

Instead, no one except those of means can afford to make it to the concert now. Shocking you don’t see the problem there. FYIGM.
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Similarly shocking that you think someone should have to sell you something at an artificially reduced price just because you don't want to pay more.
 
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SJHovey said:
Similarly shocking that you think someone should have to sell you something at an artificially reduced price just because you don't want to pay more.
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The producer of the product is setting the price of the product.

Leeches are setting the resale market price and have done NOTHING to add to the value except act like the parasites they are.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
The producer of the product is setting the price of the product.

Leeches are setting the resale market price and have done NOTHING to add to the value except act like the parasites they are.
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Don't buy then.

I'd love to go to the Masters every year. It would be fun if I went out to my garage each morning and a McLaren P1 was sitting there where my Chevy used to be. Them's the breaks.

The producer sets the price based upon many factors, not the least of which is that he or she needs to make a certain amount of money to pay costs and hopefully pocket a profit. The market will set the real price.

You guys can't have it both ways. Stubhub and the like are game changers in terms of giving you a chance to go to an event. What, 15 years ago if you didn't have a ticket you could drive to wherever the event was held and hope to find some shady guy standing on a street corner selling tickets that were hopefully valid.

Many an instance I drove hours to see an event, only to discover that I couldn't get a ticket at a price I was willing to pay and had to go sit in a bar and watch it.

Now that problem is gone.

You guys need to quit whining about these companies, as you use their services.
 
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