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Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

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Yes. I'm getting really tired of it. It would have been much more effective if it wasn't completely overused in the past six months. It has no meaning anymore, no matter who uses it.
There are worse memes out there. Much much worse.
 
Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Well, at this time, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. You agree that Bush wouldn't have done anything different than Obama in this situation, and yet you're using this situation as an occasion to go on about how Obama is awesome and Bush was crap. It makes no sense.


So out of all of this, the only actual distinction that I can see you are drawing between the two administrations is that one of them waterboarded some (fewer than 10) guys, which, by the way, turned out NOT to be a slippery slope toward jack-booted thugs on every streetcorner and black helicopters circling overhead. But you know what? Bush never ordered an American citizen to be killed, either, which is also a tactic of questionable legal standing. And yet, somehow Bush's questionable tactic makes him the devil and Obama's makes him an angel. Your bias is so transparent, it should be used to manufacture laser optics.

At this point I'm going to have to award the point to LynahFan.

Also, the underlined portion is one of the best lines I have read on this site.
 
Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Well, at this time, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. You agree that Bush wouldn't have done anything different than Obama in this situation, and yet you're using this situation as an occasion to go on about how Obama is awesome and Bush was crap. It makes no sense.

So out of all of this, the only actual distinction that I can see you are drawing between the two administrations is that one of them waterboarded some (fewer than 10) guys, which, by the way, turned out NOT to be a slippery slope toward jack-booted thugs on every streetcorner and black helicopters circling overhead. But you know what? Bush never ordered an American citizen to be killed, either, which is also a tactic of questionable legal standing. And yet, somehow Bush's questionable tactic makes him the devil and Obama's makes him an angel. Your bias is so transparent, it should be used to manufacture laser optics.

The point was not about Obama inventing drones and pulling the trigger.

The point was that American foriegn policy is greatly improved since we've been changed to a more positive approach and the unwinding of many past mistakes such as Iraq. The drones are an example of accomplishing our goals without all the drama and collateral damage to the US. Is that not obvious?

At this point I'm going to have to award the point to LynahFan.

Also, the underlined portion is one of the best lines I have read on this site.

With such a contribution...there's undoubtedly no bias in this post.
 
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Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

With such a contribution...there's undoubtedly no bias in this post.

How's that commute working for you? Gotten any speed holes in your car yet?

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Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Says the guy who used a poll from before Perry was even in the presidential race as evidence for his argument. You might as well have said "In 1980 we elected a Republican so in 2012 we'll obviously elect another."
 
Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Says the guy who used a poll from before Perry was even in the presidential race as evidence for his argument. You might as well have said "In 1980 we elected a Republican so in 2012 we'll obviously elect another."
At least he can make a post without using some form of "derp" in it
 
Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Says the guy who used a poll from before Perry was even in the presidential race as evidence for his argument. You might as well have said "In 1980 we elected a Republican so in 2012 we'll obviously elect another."

Says the guy who has made no contribution to this thread. Nothing.

Give a perspective on foriegn relations that's a strength for you...and let's discuss.
 
Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

The point was that American foriegn policy is greatly improved since we've been changed to a more positive approach and the unwinding of many past mistakes such as Iraq. The drones are an example of accomplishing our goals without all the drama and collateral damage to the US. Is that not obvious?
The drones aren't the be-all/end-all; while they are incredibly useful, they still deal out their share of collateral damage and p*ss off the countries in which we have operated them (such as Pakistan).

I also don't see how foreign policy has "greatly improved" since W left office; most of it is the same despite the rhetoric. Our approach to Afghanistan and Iran is the same as far as I can tell, and even though Obama campaigned on getting us out of Iraq quickly, we still have a massive troop presence there.

So in short, I'd say: stylistically different but functionally very similar.
 
Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

I think the "improvement" in foreign policy is a direct result of Deadmeat's bowing all over the place.
 
Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

I think the "improvement" in foreign policy is a direct result of Deadmeat's bowing all over the place.
Change "deadmeat bowing all over the place" to simply he isn't Bush and you have the answer he is looking for
 
Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Funny how we're sending a lot more AQ leaders to their maker, yet there's "no difference" between admins? Oooookaaayyyy.

The difference is the Bush admin sought to nation build using US military force, whereas the Obama admin is far more strategic. AQ will always find soldiers. While offing them in Iraq was nice, its far more effective to send their strategists to their doom. Libya is a great example of where the Bush admin doubtlessly would have left the situation alone under the guise that brutal dictator Khadaffi was a friend, or would have launched another US ground war with would have once again damaged this country's ability to gain cooperation from our allies in that region. Neo conartistism doesn't work, not now, not ever.
 
Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Let's see now, Barack Bismarck promised it would be "days" or "weeks" before Gadaffy was gone. But not "months." How's that working out?
 
Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

You know, the more I think about it, the more I have a slight issue with the drone killing of an American citizen. Something just doesn't sit well in my stomach with that.
 
Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

The difference is the Bush admin sought to nation build using US military force, whereas the Obama admin is far more strategic. AQ will always find soldiers. While offing them in Iraq was nice, its far more effective to send their strategists to their doom. Libya is a great example of where the Bush admin doubtlessly would have left the situation alone under the guise that brutal dictator Khadaffi was a friend, or would have launched another US ground war with would have once again damaged this country's ability to gain cooperation from our allies in that region. Neo conartistism doesn't work, not now, not ever.
Now, see - *this* is a well thought-out, lucid argument backed up by solid evidence.

Oh - no, wait. Upon further review, it's actually just idle speculation masquerading as an actual argument.
 
Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

You know, the more I think about it, the more I have a slight issue with the drone killing of an American citizen. Something just doesn't sit well in my stomach with that.

One of the Nazi saboteurs captured on the east coast was an American. And FDR fried him. And the Supremes ruled unanimously that he was right to do so. One of the persistent problems with prosecuting this war IMO is the "law enforcement" model. We keep talking about bringing these scumbags "to justice," as if we're gonna send Andy Sipowitz over there with a warrant. They are people who have publicly turned their backs on their country, proclaimed their desire to kill more Americans in the name of their idiotic religion, and conspire with American based terrorists to at least give them moral support for their murders. Despite the fact that I think our government has an absolute right and obligation to liquidate as many of these thugs as it can, there don't seem to be many other options.

Like somebody said today, if al Awlaki felt like he was being unfairly treated by the government, he could have come back to clear his name. Instead he taunted America's inability to locate him and promised more killings. Seriously, what are we supposed to do?
 
Re: Global War on Terror III: Dick Cheney's Hague ICC Vacation

Let's see now, Barack Bismarck promised it would be "days" or "weeks" before Gadaffy was gone. But not "months." How's that working out?
That's the Eeyore Doctrine -- "Days, Weeks, Months, who knows?"
 
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