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Geneology Thread: Where did we come from?

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I think I see how this works.

Apparently, my great grandfather murdered my great grandmother because she learned of his liking little boys a little too much. Related to a less dubious generation, it's not been officially determined whether the brother of my 7-greats grandfather was Joseph Warren or the man himself.
 
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owslachief said:
I think I see how this works.

Apparently, my great grandfather murdered my great grandmother because she learned of his liking little boys a little too much. Related to a less dubious generation, it's not been officially determined whether the brother of my 7-greats grandfather was Joseph Warren or the man himself.
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I am starting to believe my adulterous twig on the tree was pedestrian
 
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I'm frustrated. The people who would know if I'm the only queer in the family are either dead or not talking to me, because I'm a queer.
 
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Talked to my brother, surprise, surprise:

I am the only trans person on the Cowles side of things. There is one other lesbian cousin, I believe.

I'm not the only one who's gone beyond a Bachelor's for education. My cousin has her Masters.
 
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MissThundercat said:
Talked to my brother, surprise, surprise:

I am the only trans person on the Cowles side of things. There is one other lesbian cousin, I believe.

I'm not the only one who's gone beyond a Bachelor's for education. My cousin has her Masters.
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I have done genealogy for 30+ yrs and I can say I would be shocked if you could find direct evidence or even people committing to tell you there were trans or queer people. Stuff like that was rarely if ever directly referenced until quite recently. Most of the time it was not discussed at all unless there was a family breach then it was. There may be veiled references and thos have a certain lingo. More likely to find out if you asked if people lived with friends for a long time.

Example- my mother's family in Scotland had an Uncle who was probably gay. My mother had no inkling of this. Neither did my Uncle. I had corresponded with a Cousin who did a huge amount of research and never mentioned anything about something 'different'. When I visited a different Cousin she made a reference to him being arrested for something that happened in the men's room. Said with a little, barely discernible chuckle to get the meaning across. Nothing was said out loud. I am making the assumption. We talked about this guy a few times and there was never another reference to it.

Another example- my Auntie and her partner were together for 50 yrs. We were close. Nothing was ever said and I don't think the younger generation had a clue. We just thought they were to people who had no relatives left so bonded to share expenses and that was how they presented it. . The older generation never discussed it. I think they avoided discussion or thinking of it. Nothing was overt until my Auntie's obit when the other one came out in an oblique way. Further digging found a few Aunts who had lived with friends and some speculation that one of the aunts had split with her husband because of her best friend (probable partner) although this was said only in the last yr and we had been talking about these relatives for decades.

In many cultures in the past (and in some places current) controversial things about people were not the things you passed on. It was not good form to do so and if it was not considered to be good then they didn't like to pass on something that might not reflect well, in their opinion
 
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MT, your last few posts reminded me of something.

The person who I believe is the only openly LGBTQ person in my very extended family died last week. I always liked him. He always gave us a fruit basket every Christmas, which I looked forward to. I'm 99% sure he was my first exposure to the fact that we aren't in a binary world. I remember that my parents did a good job helping me understand, even at a young age, that it was perfectly acceptable. This was before larger mainstream events that helped move the needle forward.

That must have been a really difficult discussion to have with us kids 25-30 years ago at such a young age. I guess I really didn't appreciate that until now.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
MT, your last few posts reminded me of something.

The person who I believe is the only openly LGBTQ person in my very extended family died last week. I always liked him. He always gave us a fruit basket every Christmas, which I looked forward to. I'm 99% sure he was my first exposure to the fact that we aren't in a binary world. I remember that my parents did a good job helping me understand, even at a young age, that it was perfectly acceptable. This was before larger mainstream events that helped move the needle forward.

That must have been a really difficult discussion to have with us kids 25-30 years ago at such a young age. I guess I really didn't appreciate that until now.
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That is cool they were good about it. sorry for his passing
 
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Tracked down my great-grandparents last names: Peterson, Schmaltz, Maedl, Olsson, Overmire, Stavig and Andersen.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Tracked down my great-grandparents last names: Peterson, Schmaltz, Maedl, Olsson, Overmire, Stavig and Andersen.
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Only seven?

Oh, you forgot "Shot". :D

FWIW, mine are Bär, Grünebaum, Maier, Hofheimer, Gunzenhäuser, Heßdörfer, Cahn, and Schmidt.
The additional ones for my great-great-grandparents: Klein, Rosenbaum, Liebhold, Rosengart, Nordheimer, Neu, Berlin, and Hirschmann.

Interestingly, the wife of Ben-Ami Kadish was née Liepold. That was the same family as mine called Liebhold. A problem with German-Jewish names is that not that long ago, Jews wrote High German in the Hebrew alphabet, and when they learned the German alphabet, names of branches in different places could turn out to be different.
 
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I just found a great great uncle who lived in the same town as dad les but dad les never knew anything about him. :eek:
 
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leswp1 said:
I just found a great great uncle who lived in the same town as dad les but dad les never knew anything about him. :eek:
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You think that's weird. Dr. Mrs. has a relative who found out her husband had a second family. In the same town. For thirty years.
 
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Kepler said:
You think that's weird. Dr. Mrs. has a relative who found out her husband had a second family. In the same town. For thirty years.
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I've heard stories of airline pilots and traveling salesmen pulling that off on opposite coasts, but the same town? That takes talent.
 
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I've heard stories of airline pilots and traveling salesmen pulling that off on opposite coasts, but the same town? That takes talent.
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It took a witting second wife. She knew about wife 1 and kept the lid on. When she died the kids did some hunting and hey funny story.

Flagstaff just isn't that big a town.
 
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Kepler said:
You think that's weird. Dr. Mrs. has a relative who found out her husband had a second family. In the same town. For thirty years.
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That one wins!

The men in our family seem to move off- far enough that they are not easily accessible. This guy moved from Dorchester to Quincy away from his fam. dad les' father moved away from this guy's nephew to Quincy but a few decades later. It isn't like we have huge family. Even tho people moved away they kept in touch. Makes me wonder why they lost connection. Still digging
 
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leswp1 said:
Yikes!
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I may have mentioned it before on this thread, but I am related to a lot of the semi-famous. like the inventor of the Tootsie Roll, Leopold Hirschfeld, who was second cousin, three times removed. (Most of the information about him on the internet is wrong.)

IMO, there are only three German Jews who are truly famous, Albert Einstein, Henry Kissinger, and Anne Frank. None are related as far as i know.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
IMO, there are only three German Jews who are truly famous, Albert Einstein, Henry Kissinger, and Anne Frank.
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Karl Marx says hi.

Theodor Adorno, Hannah Arendt, Hans Bethe, Ernst Bloch, Franz Boas, Max Born, Paul Ehrlich, Adolf Fraenkel, Fritz Haber, Heinrich Heine, Max Horkheimer, Edmund Husserl, Werner Klemperer, Hans Adolf Krebs, Emanuel Lasker, Theodor Lessing, Carl Laemmle, Gustav Mahler, Herbert Marcuse, Felix Mendelssohn, Moses Mendelssohn, Peter Max, Albert A. Michelson, Arno Penzias, André Previn, Arnold Schoenberg, Georg Simmel, Bruno Walter, and Kurt Weill are in the foyer.

There are more famous German Jews than any other hyphenated national-religious combination on Earth.
 
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Kepler said:
Karl Marx says hi.

Theodor Adorno, Hannah Arendt, Hans Bethe, Ernst Bloch, Franz Boas, Max Born, Paul Ehrlich, Adolf Fraenkel, Fritz Haber, Heinrich Heine, Max Horkheimer, Edmund Husserl, Werner Klemperer, Hans Adolf Krebs, Emanuel Lasker, Theodor Lessing, Carl Laemmle, Gustav Mahler, Herbert Marcuse, Felix Mendelssohn, Moses Mendelssohn, Peter Max, Albert A. Michelson, Arno Penzias, André Previn, Arnold Schoenberg, Georg Simmel, Bruno Walter, and Kurt Weill are in the foyer.

There are more famous German Jews than any other hyphenated national-religious combination on Earth.
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It is of course up to the individual person as to whom he considers to be famous. It is also not clear as to what is a German Jew because of shifting borders. Furthermore, it is unimportant because genetically there is really no difference between central and eastern European Jewry as autosomal DNA tests show-- the ones from eastern Europe left the Rhineland at the time of the Crusades.

I should have included Karl Marx, but I don't really want to find out that he is related. :) I suspect that more people, at least over a certain age, have heard of Max Born's granddaughter Olivia Newton-John than him.

Close to half the people whom you have listed, I have not heard of. I was recently in contact with a grandson of Arnold Schoenberg, and i know that he was from Vienna.

FWIW, Carl Laemmle was a childhood friend in Laupheim, Württemberg of the tootsie roll inventor Leopold Hirschfeld, whom I mentioned earlier. They immigrated to the US together.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Laemmle/ Am 28. Januar 1884 wanderte er zusammen mit seinem Schulfreund Leopold Hirschfeld im Alter von 17 Jahren in die USA aus. (On January 28, 1884 he [Laemmle] emigrated together with his school friend Leopold Hirschfeld in the age of 17 to the USA.)


At one time, Ludwig Marum was famous as a member of the Reichstag and an early Hitler victim. He was a third cousin, twice removed.

Oh, William Zeckendorf, Sr., at one time the most infamous NYC real estate developer is on my tree. (He's been trumped. :D ) He was a fourth cousin. Yes, although born in 1905, he is a member of the same generation as I am. It's as a Baer. For me the decent from our mutual ancestors is all male which means that the people are likely to be older when they had children. Zeckendorf -- 1796, 1833, 1856, 1880, 1905. Me -- 1803, 1846, 1881, 1910, 1948.
 
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