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Gender Studies I

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ericredaxe said:
Sadly, that guy probably does exist, however that will have to be dealt with on a case by case basis and is not a blanket reason to deny trans people access to their correct locker rooms/bathrooms etc.
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Good point. If he exists, then F him. His terrorist tactics don’t get to dictate policy.
 
LynahFan said:
I lived in Europe for 5 years. There, they just call them “beaches.”

Pure homophobia. You would deny tens of thousands of trans women the peace of using a restroom where they are comfortable because, well, I still have no idea why. But you have somehow done your own calculus and choose to side against the trans women. Sounds homophobic to me.
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Then you might want to have someone look up "homophobic" for you... What I said had absolutely nothing to do with that.

(I have been accused of "misandry" for calling out rude louts on the beach, yes... Maybe you could have someone look that up for you, too.)
 
Rand is obviously a sub. Everything about him screams it.

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Fishman'81 said:
Then you might want to have someone look up "homophobic" for you... What I said had absolutely nothing to do with that.

(I have been accused of "misandry" for calling out rude louts on the beach, yes... Maybe you could have someone look that up for you, too.)
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You don’t like “homophobic?” Fine. How about “gender bigoted” instead?
 
My workplace has been flailing into the culture wars with a new enthusiasm. This seems to have started with a Trump/Proud Boys Lite/Olde Confederacy/rolling coal rally that was staged from Tech in the fall. An extensive investigation catalogued testimony of bigoted behavior and denials of said behavior. The (completely powerless) university senate issued a statement condemning white supremacism. A professor rebutted with a made-for-Reddit “open letter” whining about the discrimination plaguing white men. Then the tension broke with the 2/3/21 senate meeting open discussion, recorded here. It’s like an endless waterfall of everyone’s grievances, both depressing and enlightening. https://huskycast.hosted.panopto.co....aspx?id=6db33ef8-28a7-44e7-8309-acc500f44779
 
Fishman - take a moment and think of it from this perspective: in the 60s, many people argued that blacks should not be allowed to live in redlined neighborhoods, because if there were black residents and you saw a black person, it would be hard to know if he/she was a resident or a criminal (cause, you know, most black people are criminals, right?) who came to burgle the houses. Therefore, in the name of protecting the safety of the current residents (white people), it was justifiable to keep out black residents, just to be sure.

This is the *exact* same argument that you are making. “If we allow people who look different to be in the bathroom (i.e. neighborhood), then criminals who look like them could try to blend in.”

Crap argument then, and (literal) crap argument now.
 
Fishman'81 said:
Hell, I stick up for you too.

Everyone should live as they please, aside from those who pervert their liberties into exploitation.

Pretty sure that you're not one of those people.
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So if you believe this, and believe that the overwhelming majority of trans people are not the type to "pervert their liberties into exploitation", what is your plan to allow people such as Amber to use their proper locker room?
 
Fishman'81 said:
Are you OK with physical males declaring themselves "females" when it suits their agenda, as in waltzing into a girls' shower at the Y when all one needs to say is that one identifies as a female?
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That doesn't happen, that's not how the law works, and even if by some chance it did, leering, lewd conduct, and indecent exposure are still crimes whether they identify as a man or a woman.
 
August 19, 2020, I endured a 7.5 hour Holland City Council meeting where I heard a lot of the same tired arguments Fish is making, and that night, I heard several coded and veiled threats against my community. The people who say trans people are rapists and ruining sports to elected officials will then turn around and tell me they're not transphobes.

And let's face it, if you say "I'm not transphobic, but," you've already lost.
 
Also, cis women have assured there's no real problem with me using the bathroom.

When cis women talk about the disturbingly high rates of assault on college campuses, the response from those in power is "have you tried not dressing like a slut?"
 
LynahFan said:
Fishman - take a moment and think of it from this perspective: in the 60s, many people argued that blacks should not be allowed to live in redlined neighborhoods, because if there were black residents and you saw a black person, it would be hard to know if he/she was a resident or a criminal (cause, you know, most black people are criminals, right?) who came to burgle the houses. Therefore, in the name of protecting the safety of the current residents (white people), it was justifiable to keep out black residents, just to be sure.

This is the *exact* same argument that you are making. “If we allow people who look different to be in the bathroom (i.e. neighborhood), then criminals who look like them could try to blend in.”

Crap argument then, and (literal) crap argument now.
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You really need to work on your reading comprehension. I never said any such thing, even tangentially.
 
MissThundercat said:
Also, cis women have assured there's no real problem with me using the bathroom.

When cis women talk about the disturbingly high rates of assault on college campuses, the response from those in power is "have you tried not dressing like a slut?"
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Try a women's BR option when a man walks in wearing a dress/lipstick, sporting a 3-day stubble, and plays with his dick for half an hour under the guise of "shaking it off"... That's happened even here way up in Trumpie country.

I'm confident that you would call him out on that, but don't you agree that it might be an issue for the masses everywhere? I take my toddler grand-daughters into the Men's, but I sure as Hell don't let them go there unaccompanied.

My point is that you are beyond naive if you think that "cis" men are suddenly going to start to behave properly, as if some divine bolt of enlightenment just shot up their collective behinds.

Not going to happen, and it never will.
 
And laws already exist for that.

Cops everywhere have said they won't enforce bathroom bills.

Admit it, you want me dead. You're a sad sack of shit, it's pathetic.
 
August 19, 2020, as Holland, MI City Council voted to add sexual orientation, gender identity, and gender expression to their employment and housing non-discrimination ordinance, I sat in that room and heard the exact same rhetoric Fishy is making now. The same tired lies about trans people being bathroom rapists and linking us to pedophilia and sex trafficking. There were several veiled and not-so-veiled threats against my community, including threats to follow us into the bathroom and kill us.

It was a night that traumatized me and is giving me flashbacks. Fishy wants me dead. Fishy hates me. And Fishy has been following me around making the same tired arguments against my people. As uno and others have said, several laws already exist and there is no need to set up genital inspections at bathroom doors just because of your blatant transphobia.

You can see you're outgunned and you're not going to win, not now, not ever.

And Fishy... "Because there is no land of tolerance. There is no peace. Not here, or anywhere else. Whole families destroyed, simply because they were born different from those in power. Well, after tonight, the world's powerful will be just like us. They will return home as brothers, as mutants. Our cause will be theirs. Your sacrifice will mean our survival. l'll understand if that comes as small consolation."
 
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