hockeymom of 2
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Vegas is not an option because they allow sports betting
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frozen four attendance
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So then UNLV won't be able to follow through on their initiative to add D-1 hockey? Ever see a College Hockey Betting line at Caesar's? What was the spread on Quinnipiac/BC?
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Well, this looks like an "apples to oranges" comparison. My position was in reference to holding the FF in "non-College Hockey hotbeds." It would be interesting to see what the attendance would be like when North Dakota is not there, as it appeared from TV that the place was about 85% North Dakota fans (and not just people "cheering" for them, but people who actually <b>traveled</b> there from North Dakota. With the Sioux there, it looks at though you could have it on the moon and it would sell out...even in Boston last year, there were twice as many NoDak fans as BU fans. Clearly they are the best traveling fan base in the sport, so any FF involving them sort of skews the statistics.
Well, this looks like an "apples to oranges" comparison. My position was in reference to holding the FF in "non-College Hockey hotbeds." It would be interesting to see what the attendance would be like when North Dakota is not there, as it appeared from TV that the place was about 85% North Dakota fans (and not just people "cheering" for them, but people who actually <b>traveled</b> there from North Dakota. With the Sioux there, it looks at though you could have it on the moon and it would sell out...even in Boston last year, there were twice as many NoDak fans as BU fans. Clearly they are the best traveling fan base in the sport, so any FF involving them sort of skews the statistics.
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UML Puck Hawk
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For what it's worth there were 10-15 locals in lightning/panthers attire in my section. Not sure if Tampa made some offer to locals, but definitely more locals than I expected
Forget what the odds were but you can absolutely bet on the games. In fact, there were also betting lines for the regional games.
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Correct. You can also bet on who's going to win the title, throughout the year.
Correct. You can also bet on who's going to win the title, throughout the year.
brassbonanza
Super Serial
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Not sure what airlines you're flying, but flights from New England to Las Vegas often are less expensive, are direct, and options are more abound, than flying to Tampa. And are you really insinuating Las Vegas in April doesn't have perfect weather, amusement parks, outdoor bars, and plazas? They even have fake beaches! If we're arguing pure amenities and things for fans to do, this is a ridiculous comparison. That said, I cannot see the NCAA moving a championship there because of the sports betting - regardless of UNLV's purported attempts to start a team. It's all the NCAA's typical hypocrisy.
Not sure what airlines you're flying, but flights from New England to Las Vegas often are less expensive, are direct, and options are more abound, than flying to Tampa. And are you really insinuating Las Vegas in April doesn't have perfect weather, amusement parks, outdoor bars, and plazas? They even have fake beaches! If we're arguing pure amenities and things for fans to do, this is a ridiculous comparison. That said, I cannot see the NCAA moving a championship there because of the sports betting - regardless of UNLV's purported attempts to start a team. It's all the NCAA's typical hypocrisy.
hockeymom of 2
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I'm just repeating what we were told by the tournament committee during a question and answer period that occurred while on a tour of Amalie Arena.
On the positive side, the ban on the sale of alcohol in the venue is seriously being reviewed.
hockeyplayer1015
Capt
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http://tpa.fltmaps.com/en
Fact is, there are a large amount of locations that DO fly directly to Tampa (red lines). And a quick price search on Kayak showed cheaper or virtually the same prices to Tampa from Boston and Detroit for "Spring 2016".
Las Vegas would quite likely also be a success IF the NCAA (and more importantly, Las Vegas) would entertain the idea. However, I truly feel the event wouldn't get as much attention and would tend to "get lost" in the Las Vegas spectrum of events. Here in Tampa, it was pretty much the top event in a location that allowed it to pretty much be THE event in town. To me, that's relatively important, and gives the Frozen Four the spotlight it deserves to those who travel to it.
http://tpa.fltmaps.com/en
Fact is, there are a large amount of locations that DO fly directly to Tampa (red lines). And a quick price search on Kayak showed cheaper or virtually the same prices to Tampa from Boston and Detroit for "Spring 2016".
Las Vegas would quite likely also be a success IF the NCAA (and more importantly, Las Vegas) would entertain the idea. However, I truly feel the event wouldn't get as much attention and would tend to "get lost" in the Las Vegas spectrum of events. Here in Tampa, it was pretty much the top event in a location that allowed it to pretty much be THE event in town. To me, that's relatively important, and gives the Frozen Four the spotlight it deserves to those who travel to it.
RaceBoarder
Waiting for the Snow to fly...
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Chicago will be a test of the "Main Event" theory next year... We'll see if they can play off the Hawks popularity or is that popularity smothers the event...
Chicago will be a test of the "Main Event" theory next year... We'll see if they can play off the Hawks popularity or is that popularity smothers the event...
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Thanks for the info. Hope all had a great time in Tampa. The whole alcohol ban has always baffled me. Hope that goes away. One thing for certain, the event will be back in Tampa again. I had also heard from very reliable sources that Nashville had explored getting into the last round of bidding and would likely give it strong consideration in the next round. I also think the new Red Wings Arena in Detroit will very likely be in the next round as a regional, Frozen Four or both.
Thanks for the info. Hope all had a great time in Tampa. The whole alcohol ban has always baffled me. Hope that goes away. One thing for certain, the event will be back in Tampa again. I had also heard from very reliable sources that Nashville had explored getting into the last round of bidding and would likely give it strong consideration in the next round. I also think the new Red Wings Arena in Detroit will very likely be in the next round as a regional, Frozen Four or both.
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
These 3 are on the wish list for the next package announcement. Pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease
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For the Thursday games in particular, there's simply no way those are the turnstile counts. I also highly doubt those numbers represent ticket revenue in the till. Going into the tournament, the upper bowl ends were 50% unsold. The large majority of those seats remained empty on Thursday. Could the official numbers represent "tickets distributed, plus all passes -- including players and coaches?" Possibly yes.
Whether they're Hawks or Sioux 4ever, the UND turnout was spectacular. And this isn't the first time that a strong UND turnout has turned a borderline attendance situation into a fine result. Denver 2008 is another example. But if anything, it was more dramatic this time.
If UND had lost to Denver, would most of those attending on Thursday have stayed through Saturday? On that, my answer is yes. And I'd further speculate that the "retention rate" would equal or exceed any other fan base. But I'm also guessing you'd agree there was a noticeable increase in the Green & White numbers on Saturday. I doubt you get any of that increase if UND loses in the semis.
Now, what if UND hadn't made the four team field at all? Best case=2,000. Again, better than anyone else. But far below the turnout we saw this weekend.
Maybe once every 7 years? Again, selfishly I'd rather not wait that long. But once every 4 years would have been exposed as going back too soon, but for the good fortune of having North Dakota.
Though hardly a unique situation in the world of sports, I have to say these numbers are inflated.
For the Thursday games in particular, there's simply no way those are the turnstile counts. I also highly doubt those numbers represent ticket revenue in the till. Going into the tournament, the upper bowl ends were 50% unsold. The large majority of those seats remained empty on Thursday. Could the official numbers represent "tickets distributed, plus all passes -- including players and coaches?" Possibly yes.
No kidding!
Whether they're Hawks or Sioux 4ever, the UND turnout was spectacular. And this isn't the first time that a strong UND turnout has turned a borderline attendance situation into a fine result. Denver 2008 is another example. But if anything, it was more dramatic this time.
If you're asking for educated guesses, mine would be well below 50%. As college hockey fans, they're top notch. But like any other fan base, the majority are there to support their favorite team, not the sport as a whole.
If UND had lost to Denver, would most of those attending on Thursday have stayed through Saturday? On that, my answer is yes. And I'd further speculate that the "retention rate" would equal or exceed any other fan base. But I'm also guessing you'd agree there was a noticeable increase in the Green & White numbers on Saturday. I doubt you get any of that increase if UND loses in the semis.
Now, what if UND hadn't made the four team field at all? Best case=2,000. Again, better than anyone else. But far below the turnout we saw this weekend.
Selfishly I couldn't agree more. But if I were on the hockey committee, I might go with a less aggressive forecheck. Without UND in the field, we'd be debating what went wrong with attendance.
Maybe once every 7 years? Again, selfishly I'd rather not wait that long. But once every 4 years would have been exposed as going back too soon, but for the good fortune of having North Dakota.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Hopefully the drinking ban stays in place. Most would handle it fine there will always be some who can't handle it and will be drunken idiots, getting up and down to go get more drinks and just be ignorant
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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I was talking it over with BBDL yesterday at the airport. A seven-year rotation would be almost perfect. Tampa, St. Paul, Boston, Denver, Detroit, then two wild cards. Places like Nashville, DC, Vegas, etc.
I would hate to see them forego places like Philly and Boston where there are great places to go and see historical landmarks. I like the destination trips like Tampa, but some enrichment is nice.
I would do Tampa again, but I don't need it every year. Our money was on Detroit, (BBDL said) Glendale was a likelihood due to the NCAA wanting to reward ASU, and i can't remember what the third was but I would like to see Nashville or DC.
I was talking it over with BBDL yesterday at the airport. A seven-year rotation would be almost perfect. Tampa, St. Paul, Boston, Denver, Detroit, then two wild cards. Places like Nashville, DC, Vegas, etc.
I would hate to see them forego places like Philly and Boston where there are great places to go and see historical landmarks. I like the destination trips like Tampa, but some enrichment is nice.
I would do Tampa again, but I don't need it every year. Our money was on Detroit, (BBDL said) Glendale was a likelihood due to the NCAA wanting to reward ASU, and i can't remember what the third was but I would like to see Nashville or DC.
Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
