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frozen four attendance
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Re: frozen four attendance
This is a great idea when applied properly, the games should be at 3 and 7 or 4 and 8 allowing a decent amount of time to go out and find a decent place to eat, giving the host communities a portion of the revenue. This is how it was done for years and always worked well.....if ESPN balks all the NCAA has to do is waive the other sports that the network wants and tell them that this is how it will be. They come to a venue telling everyone what a big dollar value they are presenting then refuse the folks the time needed to spend locally
This is a great idea when applied properly, the games should be at 3 and 7 or 4 and 8 allowing a decent amount of time to go out and find a decent place to eat, giving the host communities a portion of the revenue. This is how it was done for years and always worked well.....if ESPN balks all the NCAA has to do is waive the other sports that the network wants and tell them that this is how it will be. They come to a venue telling everyone what a big dollar value they are presenting then refuse the folks the time needed to spend locally
brassbonanza
Super Serial
Re: frozen four attendance
Not against that idea, just that if you're only going to have 45-60 minutes between games emptying the arena and refilling it is a terrible idea. Maybe I'm used to it because of Beanpots and Hockey East tournament games, but two games in one shot has never seemed like a bad idea. But if you're going to clear the arena, at least give people the time to get out and not have to turn around and go right back in.
Not against that idea, just that if you're only going to have 45-60 minutes between games emptying the arena and refilling it is a terrible idea. Maybe I'm used to it because of Beanpots and Hockey East tournament games, but two games in one shot has never seemed like a bad idea. But if you're going to clear the arena, at least give people the time to get out and not have to turn around and go right back in.
Re: frozen four attendance
Yeah...the "3 and 7" or "4 and 8" makes no sense, because a game starting at 3 "might" end by 5:30 (if no overtime), and 5:30 - 7:00 really isn't enough time to leave the arena, find a place to eat (which is probably mobbed) and return in time for the next game.
Didn't they used to do something like 2 and 7? I don't think the argument that the team playing the night game gets "****ed* out of "rest," because there is a day off in between. At least that way you have a couple of hours. I mean, if you have to leave <i>anyway</i>, why rush people back as if they really weren't leaving at all?
Yeah...the "3 and 7" or "4 and 8" makes no sense, because a game starting at 3 "might" end by 5:30 (if no overtime), and 5:30 - 7:00 really isn't enough time to leave the arena, find a place to eat (which is probably mobbed) and return in time for the next game.
Didn't they used to do something like 2 and 7? I don't think the argument that the team playing the night game gets "****ed* out of "rest," because there is a day off in between. At least that way you have a couple of hours. I mean, if you have to leave <i>anyway</i>, why rush people back as if they really weren't leaving at all?
billmich88888
Registered Person
Re: frozen four attendance
Because 2 pm ET on a Thursday is really TV unfriendly.
For a couple of years, it was actually noon and 6 and then there would be an NHL Playoff game from the western part of the continent (circa 2002-2003)
Because 2 pm ET on a Thursday is really TV unfriendly.
For a couple of years, it was actually noon and 6 and then there would be an NHL Playoff game from the western part of the continent (circa 2002-2003)
brassbonanza
Super Serial
Re: frozen four attendance
It is indeed a terrible time slot, and it also shoots any chance of a local crowd showing up for the first game. I don't see an issue with 5 and 8, no clearing of the arena in between. If you want to let people go out then come back in if they want through some verification process, that works too.
It is indeed a terrible time slot, and it also shoots any chance of a local crowd showing up for the first game. I don't see an issue with 5 and 8, no clearing of the arena in between. If you want to let people go out then come back in if they want through some verification process, that works too.
Re: frozen four attendance
Hold on...we've had entire threads on here ("ESPN sucks") where it has been nothing but complaining about the TV coverage and the minuscule audience. So now we're acting like the time of the game matters? Ever heard of a DVR? I couldn't watch the game at 5 live any easier than if it were at 2. People have to commute to and from work. So if you want to take the day off then the time doesn't matter anyway, right? I'm just saying that if you're going to have separate admissions, then space out the games so that there is sufficient (I don't mean 90 minutes) in between. Otherwise, why bother? Just have everyone stay for two games on the same admission - because that's what they're going to have to do anyway if there isn't time to go out to eat in between.
Hold on...we've had entire threads on here ("ESPN sucks") where it has been nothing but complaining about the TV coverage and the minuscule audience. So now we're acting like the time of the game matters? Ever heard of a DVR? I couldn't watch the game at 5 live any easier than if it were at 2. People have to commute to and from work. So if you want to take the day off then the time doesn't matter anyway, right? I'm just saying that if you're going to have separate admissions, then space out the games so that there is sufficient (I don't mean 90 minutes) in between. Otherwise, why bother? Just have everyone stay for two games on the same admission - because that's what they're going to have to do anyway if there isn't time to go out to eat in between.
billmich88888
Registered Person
Re: frozen four attendance
It was 5 and 830, must always give 3.5 hours between games (2.5 for game, 1 for in between)
It was 5 and 830, must always give 3.5 hours between games (2.5 for game, 1 for in between)
billmich88888
Registered Person
Re: frozen four attendance
Sure, when it comes to scripted shows. But in 2016, not for live sports. Especially when you can watch the game on your phone, or check the scores so easily on apps/computers
I always would have preferred a Friday night semi's-Sunday afternoon final.
Easier for people to bail out early from work on a Friday than on a Thursday
Sure, when it comes to scripted shows. But in 2016, not for live sports. Especially when you can watch the game on your phone, or check the scores so easily on apps/computers
I always would have preferred a Friday night semi's-Sunday afternoon final.
Easier for people to bail out early from work on a Friday than on a Thursday
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billmich88888
Registered Person
Re: frozen four attendance
Look at all the regionals and conference tourney scheduling. 3.5 hours is the norm,
the intermissions were 18 minutes in length yesterday(usually 15?), and TV breaks were also longer than standard. That is what streteched the game out more than anything else
Look at all the regionals and conference tourney scheduling. 3.5 hours is the norm,
the intermissions were 18 minutes in length yesterday(usually 15?), and TV breaks were also longer than standard. That is what streteched the game out more than anything else
Re: frozen four attendance
But you're comparing apples to oranges. The regionals are a single admission. It basically doesn't matter how much time is "scheduled" between the games, because (as we have frequently seen) when the first game goes to overtime, all bets are off. Nobody is leaving anyway (or if they do, they can't get back in). Once you're there, you're there for the duration.
I'm saying that if you're going to have separate admissions, allow enough time for people to leave, go get something to eat comfortably (because what's the point of making them leave in the first place if they don't have time to eat and come back without rushing to an unreasonable degree?) and get back in time for the second game.
And let's not act like it's such a big deal if things run "late." Just about everybody there is on vacation and/or took time off to plan this trip. Especially in Tampa, where there is no <i>local</i> team, so EVERYONE is traveling. Nobody is going to work the next day anyway.
But you're comparing apples to oranges. The regionals are a single admission. It basically doesn't matter how much time is "scheduled" between the games, because (as we have frequently seen) when the first game goes to overtime, all bets are off. Nobody is leaving anyway (or if they do, they can't get back in). Once you're there, you're there for the duration.
I'm saying that if you're going to have separate admissions, allow enough time for people to leave, go get something to eat comfortably (because what's the point of making them leave in the first place if they don't have time to eat and come back without rushing to an unreasonable degree?) and get back in time for the second game.
And let's not act like it's such a big deal if things run "late." Just about everybody there is on vacation and/or took time off to plan this trip. Especially in Tampa, where there is no <i>local</i> team, so EVERYONE is traveling. Nobody is going to work the next day anyway.
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brassbonanza
Super Serial
Re: frozen four attendance
I think you're both arguing the same point. Seems Bill is saying keep it 5 and 8:30 with single admission.
I think you're both arguing the same point. Seems Bill is saying keep it 5 and 8:30 with single admission.
billmich88888
Registered Person
Re: frozen four attendance
I am in complete agreement with you on this point. I was trying to spell out to the other poster that when it is a doubleheader, they are usually 3.5 hours apart start time.
I wonder if they will try and do this next year in Chicago in (potentially) 20 degree weather. In a neighborhood that is NOT the high rent district of Chicago.
The point of making people leave and re-enter i believe was discussed earlier, it was so they could rotate the fans in the arena so it would look better on TV. Many fans (apparently) do NOT stay for both games, and therefore there are huge swaths of empty seats.
I also wonder if people had to pay additional dollars for the semi-finals because of the 2 vs 1 ticket situation, the NCAA has been known to grab money at every opportunity
I am in complete agreement with you on this point. I was trying to spell out to the other poster that when it is a doubleheader, they are usually 3.5 hours apart start time.
I wonder if they will try and do this next year in Chicago in (potentially) 20 degree weather. In a neighborhood that is NOT the high rent district of Chicago.
The point of making people leave and re-enter i believe was discussed earlier, it was so they could rotate the fans in the arena so it would look better on TV. Many fans (apparently) do NOT stay for both games, and therefore there are huge swaths of empty seats.
I also wonder if people had to pay additional dollars for the semi-finals because of the 2 vs 1 ticket situation, the NCAA has been known to grab money at every opportunity
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Re: frozen four attendance
OK. Then I would agree. Maybe I misinterpreted what he wrote. (wouldn't be the first time...
)
OK. Then I would agree. Maybe I misinterpreted what he wrote. (wouldn't be the first time...
)
ticapnews
Never graduate.
Re: frozen four attendance
What people are you expecting to bail out of work to a sold out venue, usually sold out to out of town people who are there just for the games.......when I started going 20+ years ago it was 1 and 7 that changed when the NCAA decided it wanted a piece of the concessions so it became one ticket and no readmission and it has gotten worse every year
What people are you expecting to bail out of work to a sold out venue, usually sold out to out of town people who are there just for the games.......when I started going 20+ years ago it was 1 and 7 that changed when the NCAA decided it wanted a piece of the concessions so it became one ticket and no readmission and it has gotten worse every year
billmich88888
Registered Person
Re: frozen four attendance
Bail out of work to WATCH the games on TV. Remember, I was replying to a poster that talked about DVRing the game, not about in person attendance.
Generally easier to do on a Friday than a Thursday, just my opinion.
Bail out of work to WATCH the games on TV. Remember, I was replying to a poster that talked about DVRing the game, not about in person attendance.
Generally easier to do on a Friday than a Thursday, just my opinion.
ticapnews
Never graduate.
Re: frozen four attendance
USCHO article on the 2 admissions
Making them all leave for an hour and then fight to get back in for the second game is not what they had in mind. Go back to the 1 and 7 times so people can leave the arena, grab a bite to eat and return to the arena for the second game. What you managed to do was keep people "stuck in the building" for seven hours, with that middle hour spent standing outside the arena waiting to get back inside. That hour isn't nearly enough time for 18,000 to all go somewhere to eat and get back to the arena for the second game.
For the concerns about a 1PM start time on ESPN2, who cares? The people at home are not spending $200+ on a ticket (plus travel+transportation) and will be able to DVR the game or find some other way to watch.
USCHO article on the 2 admissions
Making them all leave for an hour and then fight to get back in for the second game is not what they had in mind. Go back to the 1 and 7 times so people can leave the arena, grab a bite to eat and return to the arena for the second game. What you managed to do was keep people "stuck in the building" for seven hours, with that middle hour spent standing outside the arena waiting to get back inside. That hour isn't nearly enough time for 18,000 to all go somewhere to eat and get back to the arena for the second game.
For the concerns about a 1PM start time on ESPN2, who cares? The people at home are not spending $200+ on a ticket (plus travel+transportation) and will be able to DVR the game or find some other way to watch.
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