Frozen Four 2013, Pittsburgh, 2014, Philadelphia

[Howitz-ah]

Re: Frozen Four 2013, Pittsburgh, 2014, Philadelphia

I had to double check to make sure this post wasn't dated 2005 or something.

But your points are right, and DC was a great host and should be in the mix at least once every 8-10 years. Easy flight/drive, good facility, 10 bazillion things to do and see.

HAHA! I went to a bunch in a row, but I haven't been to the last three! For some reason, I just had an ironic brainfart. I'm an idiot.

 

[Onion Man]

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You're an absolute putz.

Yes, there's nothing to do in the most historically important city in the country, and the 6th largest city in the country. All we do is eat cheesesteaks, boo santa and throw batteries, right?

For a supposed Brown fan (Brown has fans?), you're not remotely cultured. Seriously, stay home. We dont want you here.

I've been to Philly several times. Sure, you can visit Independence Hall, the Mutter Museum, umm, the Liberty Bell, ummm, Independence Hall again...

I'd be marginally excited if I hadn't been before, but if they are going to put this thing down the Atlantic coast, they should have put it in Washington again.

Most historic city in the country? Boston says hello.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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I've been to Philly several times. Sure, you can visit Independence Hall, the Mutter Museum, umm, the Liberty Bell, ummm, Independence Hall again...

I'd be marginally excited if I hadn't been before, but if they are going to put this thing down the Atlantic coast, they should have put it in Washington again.

Most historic city in the country? Boston says hello.

I would think that it will return to DC, but I would have been quite surprised if it had been chosen this soon again. When the next group is picked, it will be more likely.

I have been to Boston and Philly each several times (more often in Boston unless you count riding through Philly on the train). There are sufficient things to do in either, although IMHO, both pale in comparison to DC or NYC.

Sadly, MSG is unlikely to bid as has been discussed before, so if it is in greater NYC, it will be in either the Meadowlands or out on LI, neither of which is great from a tourist point of view.

 

[TigerFan86-87]

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For a supposed Brown fan (Brown has fans?),

In the words of Chris Griffin upon seeing the entrance to Brown University:
"Brown is the color of Pooh!"

 

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It also appears that the Boston Garden (aka many different names) is incapable of putting together a reasonable bid. I have to believe that there's a desire on the NCAA's part to have a FF in Boston. Other venues have problems similar to Boston -- NHL/NBA teams etc., but seem to be able to comply with requirements and put together acceptable bids.

It was my understanding they submitted a bid. Anyone know why it wasn't selected, or what was so much better about Pittsburgh and Philadelphia? Still bad feelings from 200x?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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It also appears that the Boston Garden (aka many different names) is incapable of putting together a reasonable bid. I have to believe that there's a desire on the NCAA's part to have a FF in Boston. Other venues have problems similar to Boston -- NHL/NBA teams etc., but seem to be able to comply with requirements and put together acceptable bids.

It was my understanding they submitted a bid. Anyone know why it wasn't selected, or what was so much better about Pittsburgh and Philadelphia? Still bad feelings from 200x?

I think instead of going to the same old powerhouse cities year after year, that they are trying to branch the game out to more places. This is probably why Anaheim and St. Louis were in the mix. It's a great way to get people attracted to the game. Even if you don't get a school a D-I team there, you still have players from those areas. Heck, look at how much club hockey has grown! There will always be a loyal fan base, and I'm sure that after about a 10-year rotation or so the tournament will return to Boston, just like how it is returning to Minnesota after about 10 years.

 

[TigerFan86-87]

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It also appears that the Boston Garden (aka many different names) is incapable of putting together a reasonable bid. I have to believe that there's a desire on the NCAA's part to have a FF in Boston. Other venues have problems similar to Boston -- NHL/NBA teams etc., but seem to be able to comply with requirements and put together acceptable bids.

It was my understanding they submitted a bid. Anyone know why it wasn't selected, or what was so much better about Pittsburgh and Philadelphia? Still bad feelings from 200x?

I don't know how true it is, but it was mentioned in a thread on here months ago that Boston has not put a whole lot of effort into presenting a quality bid because they seem to take for granted that the NCAA is going to just give them a FF eventually regardless. If that is true, then they had better guess again because the NCAA seems bent on experimenting with as many potential "non-traditional" markets and configurations as possible.

 

[ActionJoe]

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Anchorage 2015...that could happen, right?

 

[Slasher7]

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Philly is ok. I"m glad they are putting it in different cities. I was surprised NYC didn't get the bid this time.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Philly is ok. I"m glad they are putting it in different cities. I was surprised NYC didn't get the bid this time.

Yeah... but where would you put it in NYC? MSG is so jam-packed with events that time of year, it'd be tough to get them to commit to the FF.

I'm guessing that whatever new arena the Islanders get might get a nod whenever that happens, whether its in Flushing Meadows by Citi Field or at the Lighthouse Project.

Otherwise, you're stuck trying to put it in the Meadowlands or Newark.

 

[Spydey629]

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Philly is ok. I"m glad they are putting it in different cities. I was surprised NYC didn't get the bid this time.

You have to actually submit a bid, to get a bid. It's just like the lottery: "Can't win if you don't play"

I don't know how true it is, but it was mentioned in a thread on here months ago that Boston has not put a whole lot of effort into presenting a quality bid because they seem to take for granted that the NCAA is going to just give them a FF eventually regardless. If that is true, then they had better guess again because the NCAA seems bent on experimenting with as many potential "non-traditional" markets and configurations as possible.

I can say that I am suprised that it wasn't Pittsburgh and Boston. I figured 'we' were a shoo-in for one of them, I just didn't have an idea of which year.

Furthermore, there a quite a few people (media, Pens officials, RMU folks) here in the 'Burgh that are taking this as the official rubber stamp that we are no longer "just a football town". With the Winter Classic, the Frozen Four, and potentially the NHL Draft and All-Star Game in the not-too-distant future, Pittsburgh can truly be deemed a 'hockey-tahn' as FSN Pittsburgh likes to say.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10196/1072925-61.stm

 

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I don't know how true it is, but it was mentioned in a thread on here months ago that Boston has not put a whole lot of effort into presenting a quality bid because they seem to take for granted that the NCAA is going to just give them a FF eventually regardless. If that is true, then they had better guess again because the NCAA seems bent on experimenting with as many potential "non-traditional" markets and configurations as possible.

I may have been the one that mentioned it , and that would account for Boston not getting one in the last go-round. But I would have thought that for this go-round, they would have said either (a) gee, it's not our birthright, let's put together a reasonable bid, or (b) ain't worth it, let's not bother with a bid at all. But they did submit a bid (wasn't Boston mentioned as a finalist?) and it apparently wasn't good enough.

I'm not disappointed -- Phliadelphia and Pittsburg are fine with me, and I'm looking forward to them. In fact, for me Boston has the disadvantage that I'm tempted to work on Thursday morning and Friday. Just curious.

 

[sterlippo1]

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I don't know how true it is, but it was mentioned in a thread on here months ago that Boston has not put a whole lot of effort into presenting a quality bid because they seem to take for granted that the NCAA is going to just give them a FF eventually regardless. If that is true, then they had better guess again because the NCAA seems bent on experimenting with as many potential "non-traditional" markets and configurations as possible.

i read that here as well but Boston put forth efforts good enough to get an NCAA mens basketball regional here recently(2008??) and the women's basketball final four in 2006. both of which i would say are more sought after and require more of an all out effort and they got THAT done..........

 

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i read that here as well but Boston put forth efforts good enough to get an NCAA mens basketball regional here recently(2008??) and the women's basketball final four in 2006. both of which i would say are more sought after and require more of an all out effort and they got THAT done..........

Yes, though in fairness, basketball is easier, because you don't encounter the hassle of getting rid of the commercial messages under the ice surface.

 

[candycanes99]

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So obviously Robert Morris is the "host school" for Pitt, but for Philadelphia it just says it will be hosted by the ECAC. Princeton or nobody in particular?

 

[LtPowers]

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With the Winter Classic, the Frozen Four, and potentially the NHL Draft and All-Star Game in the not-too-distant future, Pittsburgh can truly be deemed a 'hockey-tahn' as FSN Pittsburgh likes to say.

And just think, none of this likely would have happened if the Pens hadn't won the Crosby lottery. Pittsburgh really lucked out there.


Powers &8^]

 

[LtPowers]

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So obviously Robert Morris is the "host school" for Pitt, but for Philadelphia it just says it will be hosted by the ECAC. Princeton or nobody in particular?

Neither. It's the league that's hosting, not any individual school. That's quite common, actually.

(And even when a school does host, it doesn't have to be one with a program; the Naval Academy hosted the DC FF.)


Powers &8^]

 

[jmh]

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I've been to Philly several times. Sure, you can visit Independence Hall, the Mutter Museum, umm, the Liberty Bell, ummm, Independence Hall again...

I'd be marginally excited if I hadn't been before, but if they are going to put this thing down the Atlantic coast, they should have put it in Washington again.

Most historic city in the country? Boston says hello.

I hate Philly as much as the next Mets/Giants/Rangers fan, but this is pretty ridiculous. Philadelphia has great urban parks (especially Fairmount Park), a wide variety of museums if that's your thing (the art museum with the Rocky steps, the Franklin Institute for example), historical sites including those you mentioned (and others such as Valley Forge an easy drive away), wide variety of restaurants and bars... a lot of the same things as Boston has going for it, except without the annoying accent.

But, you know, the NCAA is sorry they didn't consult you to check whether you've been there before or whether you might prefer to go to DC. (Where it just was, you know, LAST YEAR.)

 

[Federal League]

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I may have been the one that mentioned it , and that would account for Boston not getting one in the last go-round. But I would have thought that for this go-round, they would have said either (a) gee, it's not our birthright, let's put together a reasonable bid, or (b) ain't worth it, let's not bother with a bid at all. But they did submit a bid (wasn't Boston mentioned as a finalist?) and it apparently wasn't good enough.

Not only was Boston believed to be a finalist, but the Herald actually reported a couple weeks ago that Boston had been chosen as a host. Obviously the Herald didn't have very good sources. I really thought Boston was a lock this time around assuming they put more effort into the bid than they did last time. Either they didn't put the effort in or the NCAA just wants to keep branching out to new sites.

I'm fine with new sites, but I still want to see it in traditional college hockey cities, too. I don't mind seeing Washington, St. Louis, Buffalo, Pittsburgh and even Philly becoming part of a regular rotation, but I want to make sure Boston, St. Paul, Milwaukee, Denver and Detroit (as long as it's not at a football stadium) stay in that rotation as well.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Neither. It's the league that's hosting, not any individual school. That's quite common, actually.

(And even when a school does host, it doesn't have to be one with a program; the Naval Academy hosted the DC FF.)


Powers &8^]

Not to mention, I think that it may be a tie-in with the ECAC championships being held in Atlantic City.