ENOUGH about DUNNING...How about the GAME? Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

[hawk]

Re: ENOUGH about DUNNING...How about the GAME? Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

yes they have looked a lot better in the dzone coverage and breakouts, hopefully it a trend,but I know what admiral0417 means,the only thing I can say when i look at the cadets Dmen is they are BIGGG, looks like a few 6'4" and 1 at 6'3' and a few more at 6'1" and maybe in the BIGGG rink at a disadvantage???????? Not sure how well they skate Im sure a cadet fan will fill me in

Anyone care to comment on Norwich being the home team and having the last change. Not much has been said but Coach Mike McShane and Jamie Rice of Babson were changing lines like crazy in the quarterfinal game. I think Norwich wanted to match up one of there bigger more agressive lines with a Babson line that has given them trouble in the past. I haven't seen Oswego play so I have no idea of possible line combo's against the Oswego super line.

 

[Birds]

Re: ENOUGH about DUNNING...How about the GAME? Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

yes they have looked a lot better in the dzone coverage and breakouts, hopefully it a trend,but I know what admiral0417 means,the only thing I can say when i look at the cadets Dmen is they are BIGGG, looks like a few 6'4" and 1 at 6'3' and a few more at 6'1" and maybe in the BIGGG rink at a disadvantage???????? Not sure how well they skate Im sure a cadet fan will fill me in

Well, from this Cardinal fan who has seen the Cards play the Lakers 3 times and the Cadets twice, I have to say there are similarities between the two teams. Offensively, both are very good. Oswego is deeper. Defensively, I felt Norwich plays a very tight game,solid D. consistantly and is more aggressive on the P.K. Goaltending is a toss up. I think this will be a very close, low scoring game and either team could be victorious. Good luck to everyone.

 

[Laker Ranger]

Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

Norwich has a large rink similar to that of Placids, no? The Lakers have played on this sheet enough times now, they could make their way blindfolded around it. But its bound to be an asset for the Cadets - that club always looked comfortable cruising around Herb Brooks Ice Arena.

These two clubs...this meeting is what I've been looking forward to for the last 3 FFs...none of which ever panned out. Norwich always looked the more disciplined, balanced party - Oswego, more explosive and quick. But in the end, they look (and play, one would imagine) really similar. Just a different color to go with the gold stripes. A 1600 start time is optimal, give the winning party a couple extra hours of rest - doubtless, they will need it.

OSU.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Re: Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

Re: Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

Norwich has a large rink similar to that of Placids, no? The Lakers have played on this sheet enough times now, they could make their way blindfolded around it. But its bound to be an asset for the Cadets - that club always looked comfortable cruising around Herb Brooks Ice Arena.

These two clubs...this meeting is what I've been looking forward to for the last 3 FFs...none of which ever panned out. Norwich always looked the more disciplined, balanced party - Oswego, more explosive and quick. But in the end, they look (and play, one would imagine) really similar. Just a different color to go with the gold stripes. A 1600 start time is optimal, give the winning party a couple extra hours of rest - doubtless, they will need it.

Norwich's rink is 90 feet wide...The Olympic Center sheet is 100 feet wide. Oswego's is 85 wide.

 

[The Real Georgia Peach]

Re: ENOUGH about DUNNING...How about the GAME? Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

I am a bit intrigued by the opinion that Oswego has a great 1st line and then lesser players on their other lines, while Norwich seems to have 4 relatively equal lines. Then others say that Oswego has more depth???? I like the Cadets process and expect they will succeed, but hey, who knows? That's why they play the game.....(Just another cliche')

 

[toto238]

Re: ENOUGH about DUNNING...How about the GAME? Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

I am a bit intrigued by the opinion that Oswego has a great 1st line and then lesser players on their other lines, while Norwich seems to have 4 relatively equal lines. Then others say that Oswego has more depth???? I like the Cadets process and expect they will succeed, but hey, who knows? That's why they play the game.....(Just another cliche')

The question of depth is very subjective. It really depends on how you measure it. Both teams have a lot of depth and you can't discount any of the players on either side. There's no question that Oswego's first line (don't forget the defensemen on those lines either) is head and shoulders above any other forward line in D3. Show me five guys in d3 that play on the same line that have more than 166 points between them this season. It's ridiculous.
After the first line though, it's hard to measure. It's quite possible that Norwich will concentrate on negating Oswego's first line by always playing their first line against them. This may give up some of Norwich's offensive opportunities from playing their 1st against Oswego's 3rd or 4th. But if it's effective, it may be up to each team's B-team to win the game.

 

[toto238]

Re: ENOUGH about DUNNING...How about the GAME? Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

I think the key to this game will be penalties. Norwich's power play is by far the weakest part of their game and could be a serious liability for them. They've let their opponents score first in 12 games this season and they could become frustrated if PP after PP yields no results. Oswego's power play, on the other hand, is deadly. Norwich typically doesn't take a lot of penalties, but if they do they'll give up the game.

Norwich also isn't used to facing a lot of shots, which they can't expect to hold true against Oswego. The most shots Norwich has faced all year in a game was 27 against Plattsburgh. Only in 12 games have they faced at least 20 shots. Oswego on the other hand has faced an average of 27 shots per game (Norwich's maximum). Only 4 games this season did they face less than 20, and they've faced more than 30 shots 9 times and over 40 shots in their win against Hobart.
The bad news for Norwich is that Oswego gets A LOT of shots. Oswego averages 38 shots per game, while Norwich only manages 30. Oswego's only gotten less than 30 shots in 6 games this season, while Norwich has failed to reach 30 shots 12 times.

So shots and penalties will tell the story of this game.

 

[LakerAlum09]

Re: ENOUGH about DUNNING...How about the GAME? Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

Oswego has a number of guys that can score and make plays. I don't know where the thought of there is little depth on the team comes from. They have 12 skaters who are seniors and seven of those twelve are into double digits in goals. Moodie has 22, P-Rod with 15, Ayotte with 13, Leimer/Tites with 11, Whitey/Muise with 10. I looked at the numbers and there are only 5 in double digits in goals on Norwich.

Then you have guys like Chris Brown, Chris Carr, and Matt Singleton who can score when needed. The only soft spot on scoring would have to be the 4th line but it makes up with the lack of scoring with it's intensity on defense. Then you can look at Jesse McConney and Zack Josepher as being one of the best one two punches offensively in the nation on the blueline. Gerty and Rivait are coming along too offensively.

To me this is the most balanced team Oswego has had in a while in the way they contribute to the overall game. They have become a great defensive team which is something that has been lacking in past years to win the big one. Something that obviously doesn't show up on the stat sheet with guys like Tim Carr, Taylor Farris, Badham, ie these guys play hard on defense every game. I think this is a good matchup for Oswego and it obviously will be a great game and it is cliche to say, but it will come down who wants it more on Friday.

 

[NUProf]

Re: ENOUGH about DUNNING...How about the GAME? Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

There's no question that Oswego's first line (don't forget the defensemen on those lines either) is head and shoulders above any other forward line in D3.

I think that's a real reach when you look at Norwich's top line ...

 

[pburghhockey09]

I think the key to this game will be penalties. Norwich's power play is by far the weakest part of their game and could be a serious liability for them. They've let their opponents score first in 12 games this season and they could become frustrated if PP after PP yields no results. Oswego's power play, on the other hand, is deadly. Norwich typically doesn't take a lot of penalties, but if they do they'll give up the game.

Norwich also isn't used to facing a lot of shots, which they can't expect to hold true against Oswego. The most shots Norwich has faced all year in a game was 27 against Plattsburgh. Only in 12 games have they faced at least 20 shots. Oswego on the other hand has faced an average of 27 shots per game (Norwich's maximum). Only 4 games this season did they face less than 20, and they've faced more than 30 shots 9 times and over 40 shots in their win against Hobart.
The bad news for Norwich is that Oswego gets A LOT of shots. Oswego averages 38 shots per game, while Norwich only manages 30. Oswego's only gotten less than 30 shots in 6 games this season, while Norwich has failed to reach 30 shots 12 times.

So shots and penalties will tell the story of this game.

You can say they haven't faced many shots, but maybe their defense is THAT good.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: ENOUGH about DUNNING...How about the GAME? Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

Oswego has a number of guys that can score and make plays. I don't know where the thought of there is little depth on the team comes from. They have 12 skaters who are seniors and seven of those twelve are into double digits in goals. Moodie has 22, P-Rod with 15, Ayotte with 13, Leimer/Tites with 11, Whitey/Muise with 10. I looked at the numbers and there are only 5 in double digits in goals on Norwich.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking when I was reading the recent posts.

I can't say how Norwich is because I have not seen them play, so I don't know who has more depth. But if anyone thinks Oswego lacks depth, that's extremely uninformed. Spending all your efforts shutting down the top line is done at your peril.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Re: ENOUGH about DUNNING...How about the GAME? Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

You can say they haven't faced many shots, but maybe their defense is THAT good.

Team defense has been Norwich's staple for how long?

It's amazing to look back through the years and see how low the team goals against is most years as well as the shots given up per game. VERY rarely will you ever see a Norwich team outshot.

 

[OSU2010]

Re: ENOUGH about DUNNING...How about the GAME? Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

they're pretty close in goals against, in 28 games Oswego has given up 49 goals, while in 28 games Norwich has given up only 48, so its a difference of one goal all season. Though Oswego has scored 136 to Norwich's 116. Norwich's powerplay isn't that good, ranking 52nd in the nation with 17.48% to Oswego's #5 ranking at 27.15%.

 

[NUProf]

Re: ENOUGH about DUNNING...How about the GAME? Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

they're pretty close in goals against, in 28 games Oswego has given up 49 goals, while in 28 games Norwich has given up only 48, so its a difference of one goal all season. Though Oswego has scored 136 to Norwich's 116. Norwich's powerplay isn't that good, ranking 52nd in the nation with 17.48% to Oswego's #5 ranking at 27.15%.

Norwich power play has not been up to historical standards - not even close to the kind of power play that we are accustomed to seeing.

 

[bakdraft21]

Re: ENOUGH about DUNNING...How about the GAME? Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

Norwich plays top shelf d thats for sure,thats why opponents dont get to many shots,its why I said if the Lakers get 30 shots it will be tough for Norwich to win,as I think their netminding is suspect no matter what the stats say.As for the lakers Big line,you/norwich can only hope to control them, it seemed like almost every time they were on the ice vs Adrian they had a excellent scoring chance, and Adrians goalie stepped up most of the time but not enough times.After the BIg line the Chris line as they have been called is very slick with the puck and all have excellent shots, the next 2 lines will dump chase and and occasionally come up with a fantastic play,i.e. SUNYAC Champ game 1st goal by Leimrock. I have watch Norwich a few times, on the computer only , and they play a total team game, thats why so few shots vs them all year long they are always moving without the puck and will not get caught on to many oddman rushes..Special teams are always key,and they will have to adjust to the BIG rink.I still think we have the goalie edge for sure,especially if Hare plays like he has in the past few games...

 

[nujack]

Re: ENOUGH about DUNNING...How about the GAME? Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

Norwich power play has not been up to historical standards - not even close to the kind of power play that we are accustomed to seeing.

And more strangely not as good as last year..............with the same players IIRC.

I just hope that McShane doesn't try the 5 forwards thing again, we got burnt on that one.

 

[toto238]

Re: ENOUGH about DUNNING...How about the GAME? Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

I think that's a real reach when you look at Norwich's top line ...

Pick 3 forwards and 2 defensemen from any D3 team at all and show me if they have more points than Oswego's 1st line. Norwich's top 3 forwards and top 2 defensemen have a combined 127 points this season (I don't even know if they're on the same line). Oswego's top line has 166 points. And that's with Whitelaw being out for 2 months in the middle of the season. Oswego's top line crushes every other top line in d3 hockey. period.

 

[The Real Georgia Peach]

Re: ENOUGH about DUNNING...How about the GAME? Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

Well, I guess we just better hand the trophy to Oswego, afterall, we all KNOW that Oswego has better players, better coaches, better goalies. And if the impossible happens, I'm sure it would be a fluke or a referee's decision.

 

[Ozz]

Pick 3 forwards and 2 defensemen from any D3 team at all and show me if they have more points than Oswego's 1st line. Norwich's top 3 forwards and top 2 defensemen have a combined 127 points this season (I don't even know if they're on the same line). Oswego's top line has 166 points. And that's with Whitelaw being out for 2 months in the middle of the season. Oswego's top line crushes every other top line in d3 hockey. period.

Statistically yes..but to say head and shoulders above anyone else is a bold statement..

 

[toto238]

Re: ENOUGH about DUNNING...How about the GAME? Oswego v Norwich Friday @ 4pm

Well, I guess we just better hand the trophy to Oswego, afterall, we all KNOW that Oswego has better players, better coaches, better goalies. And if the impossible happens, I'm sure it would be a fluke or a referee's decision.

I'm not saying that Oswego is invincible. This game could really go either way. I'm just saying that if Norwich wants to win they're going to have to find a way to shut down Oswego's 1st line. They're deadly.