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Elmira College 2013-14
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Re: Elmira College 2013-14
They won’t move to the First Arena unless the lease is too good to pass up. And that won’t happen. Its cost the college a ton of money to run both men and women’s programs. Ice cost is a huge part of that. When I was head coach of Saint Josephs University in the ACHA my budget was $80,000 and we only practiced 2 days a week (2.5 hrs a week). Can only imagine what EC cost for both is.
I haven’t been back since I grad so can’t speak to condition of the Domes. But we packed em in when I played and it was special there. It’s one reason I went to EC.
I agree with somethings listed below and disagree with others. I will say that you can’t compare today to years past. It’s a completely different game.
Some general comments from a couple hundred of miles away. Ill agree PIMs are absolutely unacceptable. If they are taking bad PIMs that has to stop. Only way to stop it is with ice time.
The game I saw at NU had lots of in game adjustments made. Especially on the PK. So can only comment on the game I saw.
For recruiting all these kids are coming from top programs. Should be able to step in and play. All the top Jr A players go DI. That middle pool of Jr A players go DIII. For the most part. If you think big picture that pool is mostly the same. All good players with each have something unique. You recruit based on the team needs and character. The coaches will start looking for players to fill holes from who is leaving. But you don’t replace the player leaving because you have kids moving up a year to replace them. It’s a skill and relationship driven process.
For my SJU team we ran 1-2-2 forecheck. A 2-1-2 passive. And a 1-3-1. All based on who we were playing. Our d-zone philosophy was one pass and out. If its not there you clear it and set up forecheck. Nuetral zone was one thing and one thing only. You get through it north and south. No fooling around. No east west. And O zone was center drive. Always had triangular support which means we would pass the puck to create time and space. Wouldn’t force plays and used the half wall a lot. If you can see the net you shoot the puck. Didn’t want anyone alone trying to dangle people because its impossible to support someone like that. Sounds good right? Did they do this all the time? heck no! I had to do lots of chalk. But less is more.
I was very system heavy because I didn’t have high end talent. Need to play a position game and pick my spots on the ice we would attack. It worked well. I assume the EC coaches do the same.
Anyway. I get upset when I hear people talk about not going. The fans are just as important as the players. Please dont stop. A lot of you have been going for a long time. It means a lot and I thank you for your support.
I don’t know what the answers are. I just want an EC team that competes for an ECAC West title. We have a strong history of NCAA Tounrey bids in past decade. Big picture the program is strong. Just need to make sure we are trending the right way. I have faith in Coach Saul. He was a great teammate and now a great coach.
Go EC!
They won’t move to the First Arena unless the lease is too good to pass up. And that won’t happen. Its cost the college a ton of money to run both men and women’s programs. Ice cost is a huge part of that. When I was head coach of Saint Josephs University in the ACHA my budget was $80,000 and we only practiced 2 days a week (2.5 hrs a week). Can only imagine what EC cost for both is.
I haven’t been back since I grad so can’t speak to condition of the Domes. But we packed em in when I played and it was special there. It’s one reason I went to EC.
I agree with somethings listed below and disagree with others. I will say that you can’t compare today to years past. It’s a completely different game.
Some general comments from a couple hundred of miles away. Ill agree PIMs are absolutely unacceptable. If they are taking bad PIMs that has to stop. Only way to stop it is with ice time.
The game I saw at NU had lots of in game adjustments made. Especially on the PK. So can only comment on the game I saw.
For recruiting all these kids are coming from top programs. Should be able to step in and play. All the top Jr A players go DI. That middle pool of Jr A players go DIII. For the most part. If you think big picture that pool is mostly the same. All good players with each have something unique. You recruit based on the team needs and character. The coaches will start looking for players to fill holes from who is leaving. But you don’t replace the player leaving because you have kids moving up a year to replace them. It’s a skill and relationship driven process.
For my SJU team we ran 1-2-2 forecheck. A 2-1-2 passive. And a 1-3-1. All based on who we were playing. Our d-zone philosophy was one pass and out. If its not there you clear it and set up forecheck. Nuetral zone was one thing and one thing only. You get through it north and south. No fooling around. No east west. And O zone was center drive. Always had triangular support which means we would pass the puck to create time and space. Wouldn’t force plays and used the half wall a lot. If you can see the net you shoot the puck. Didn’t want anyone alone trying to dangle people because its impossible to support someone like that. Sounds good right? Did they do this all the time? heck no! I had to do lots of chalk. But less is more.
I was very system heavy because I didn’t have high end talent. Need to play a position game and pick my spots on the ice we would attack. It worked well. I assume the EC coaches do the same.
Anyway. I get upset when I hear people talk about not going. The fans are just as important as the players. Please dont stop. A lot of you have been going for a long time. It means a lot and I thank you for your support.
I don’t know what the answers are. I just want an EC team that competes for an ECAC West title. We have a strong history of NCAA Tounrey bids in past decade. Big picture the program is strong. Just need to make sure we are trending the right way. I have faith in Coach Saul. He was a great teammate and now a great coach.
Go EC!
Re: Elmira College 2013-14
That stinks!
Youve been on this board for 12 years! Jan 02 with 3,000 posts. Most of them EC posts. Good work!
That stinks!
Youve been on this board for 12 years! Jan 02 with 3,000 posts. Most of them EC posts. Good work!
Re: Elmira College 2013-14
I have seen a lot of growth in these guys since last year. Discipline and maturity have improved. One problem with comparing current teams to yesteryear is that the overall talent in D3 isn't what it was years ago due to the late 90's expansion of D1. That talent now tends to have a lot more D1 options. We have need for more improvement but overall I'm pleased with the growth I've seen.
I have seen a lot of growth in these guys since last year. Discipline and maturity have improved. One problem with comparing current teams to yesteryear is that the overall talent in D3 isn't what it was years ago due to the late 90's expansion of D1. That talent now tends to have a lot more D1 options. We have need for more improvement but overall I'm pleased with the growth I've seen.
elbojpb
Well-known member
Cracking the next level
Cracking the next level
PS .. Don is correct. The level of skill at D3 isn't what it was 15 years ago. Some of the varsity players today couldn't crack a JV or club lineup from the prior century.
Cracking the next level
- Broken record ... the team should move downtown. Student support is non-existent at the MAC. Check the record of how long it takes a program to win a National Championship after building a new arena. An attractive barn full of coeds and drunk fans is a powerful recruiting tool (see Utica), but that would cost the college money.
- Coaching stability. Too many coaching changes too quickly break the recruitment rhythm, but coaches won't stay for peanuts. Compare the longevity and tenure of both head and assistant coaches at the successful programs. Or count the number of suits behind St Norbert's bench in Lewiston, but that would cost the college money.
- Lower tuition, or better (legal) tuition incentives for players, but that would cost the college money.
- More attractive majors (not the penalty type) for the typical male athlete, but that would cost the college money.
- More recruitment (not really sure how much is done now) can't hurt, but that would cost the college money.
- Edit: An ECAC/W autobid, but that would cost some college money.
PS .. Don is correct. The level of skill at D3 isn't what it was 15 years ago. Some of the varsity players today couldn't crack a JV or club lineup from the prior century.
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Re: Elmira College 2013-14
I believe the college has and is going to add additional majors, so that should help. Listen, I want the program to succeed but I hope the players don't have the same negative attitude that many have on here. I've supported the program for a long time even though I'm younger than a lot of posters on here, and will continue to support it. I love going to the games and have developed a lot of great friendships since I joined the BC Board.
I believe the college has and is going to add additional majors, so that should help. Listen, I want the program to succeed but I hope the players don't have the same negative attitude that many have on here. I've supported the program for a long time even though I'm younger than a lot of posters on here, and will continue to support it. I love going to the games and have developed a lot of great friendships since I joined the BC Board.
elbojpb
Well-known member
Re: Elmira College 2013-14
Again ... it's all about the money.
Absolutely not; you can't beat a free ride, and Guerrero chose financial assistance ahead of athletic success. The Million dollar question is: is there any legal 'perk' would have dissuaded him from taking the free ride?
Again ... it's all about the money.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Yup.
elbojpb
Well-known member
Hobart v. tEC
Hobart v. tEC
For this stage in the season, there was some brutal hockey and refereeing tonight. Fortunately for Elmira, Hobart was even more undisciplined and futile.
Highlights:
Lowlights:
Scoring:
E1 - Depp on an unassisted hustle play from behind the net
E2 - PP nice TicTacToe
H1 - 2 on 1 Hobart's speed caught EC a bit sleeping
H2 - PP Hobart passed it around until it was put top shelf
H3 - PP Through a nice 2-man screen
E3 - Poor Hobart backcheck, Simpson crashed the high-slot and banged home a rebound
E4 - Prettiest goal in 2 years. 3 on 2 perfect passes.
E5 - ENG a result of a decent backcheck and a deflected pass
PS sorry about missing last weekend. The wife made our 30th anniversary plans, and those plans did not involve hockey.
Hobart v. tEC
For this stage in the season, there was some brutal hockey and refereeing tonight. Fortunately for Elmira, Hobart was even more undisciplined and futile.
Highlights:
- Decent crowd on hand despite the pro game downtown. My estimate was 1600.
- In the first few minutes, EC put decent sustained pressure on Chimiente, but couldn't bang one home. He was having trouble controlling rebounds early.
- Whittle is a stick magician. Best set of hands since the big / slow / European from 2008?
- DiMelo got his groove back. Sal was dressed but never saw the ice.
- Depp got and deserved a HT. More hustle than a majority of the team combined.
- Hobart forechecked two, and the other 3 waited at the blue line. EC was relegated to a dump and chase night.
Lowlights:
- Game took an interminable 2 and a half hours
- The two zebras were evidently a D1 surplus crew who certainly were not happy about being in Elmira tonight
- The start of the game and a large segment of period 2 were sloppy, careless hockey. Passing was occasionally atrocious.
- I didn't see #10 (TVH) on the ice much tonight. His absence was noticeable
- EC's once vaunted PP has now been solved
- Really really dumb penalties: Two major/gamers (including a butt-ender), retaliating after a call on Hobart, and an unsportsmanlike from a senior for snowing their tender. Un-freaking-believable for March.
Scoring:
E1 - Depp on an unassisted hustle play from behind the net
E2 - PP nice TicTacToe
H1 - 2 on 1 Hobart's speed caught EC a bit sleeping
H2 - PP Hobart passed it around until it was put top shelf
H3 - PP Through a nice 2-man screen
E3 - Poor Hobart backcheck, Simpson crashed the high-slot and banged home a rebound
E4 - Prettiest goal in 2 years. 3 on 2 perfect passes.
E5 - ENG a result of a decent backcheck and a deflected pass
PS sorry about missing last weekend. The wife made our 30th anniversary plans, and those plans did not involve hockey.
Hammer
We'll be back.
Re: Elmira College 2013-14
About the only time I see it is if an opposing player knocks the sprayer on his rear end after the whistle. Then they both end up getting two minutes.
About the only time I see it is if an opposing player knocks the sprayer on his rear end after the whistle. Then they both end up getting two minutes.
Yes, it was a crap call. Players spray the other goalies all the time. The refs were having a bad night and called just about everything. I'm glad EC won, but it wasn't easy with two of their forwards in the locker room.
jim32
Let's go EC!
Re: Elmira College 2013-14
I always thought snowing the goalie was just fun (cool!). Anyway when I brought it up to one of the coaches... he said it was a penalty.
I always thought snowing the goalie was just fun (cool!). Anyway when I brought it up to one of the coaches... he said it was a penalty.
Hammer
We'll be back.
Re: Elmira College 2013-14
It is, but it's one of those that gets called about as often as a protocol violation for coming out about 3 seconds too late.
It is, but it's one of those that gets called about as often as a protocol violation for coming out about 3 seconds too late.
jim32
Let's go EC!
Re: Elmira College 2013-14
perhaps there was too much time elapsed from the whistle to the snow job?
perhaps there was too much time elapsed from the whistle to the snow job?
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Jan velich is the euro you are referring to I think?
Re: Elmira College 2013-14
Hobart definitely should have had a delay of game penalty when they had the Faceoff in ECs zone. Pulled goalie, too many men on the ice players skating back and forth go the bench then Taylor talks to the refs for a couple minutes. Delay of game, it earned Hobart a free time out.
Hobart definitely should have had a delay of game penalty when they had the Faceoff in ECs zone. Pulled goalie, too many men on the ice players skating back and forth go the bench then Taylor talks to the refs for a couple minutes. Delay of game, it earned Hobart a free time out.