Elections 2012: You must choose the lesser of two weevils

[walrus]

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I think I was in Orono Junior High when a high school kid named Ed got his hair cut off, not because he was gay simply because he had long hair. This was years after Romney(at least I'm not commie) did his deed.

 

[St. Clown]

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Occupy MN just walked by my office along Marquette Ave a few minutes ago. More than a few of them could stand to occupy a bath. I know it's an old joke, but it's not so much a joke when you look at them.

 

[Rover]

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I don't give a sh*t, at the top of my lungs. Either about what Romney did in prep school or his reaction to it. Surely a person of your erudition will agree that we really ought to focus on other, more pertinent issues. He's running for President of the United States, not president of the senior class.

And here I was thinking you'd like this story, since you can't seem to get past the 1950's and 1960's. I guess if it doesn't involve Jane Fonda it doesn't interest you?

 

[Old Pio]

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And here I was thinking you'd like this story, since you can't seem to get past the 1950's and 1960's. I guess if it doesn't involve Jane Fonda it doesn't interest you?

Yup, Jane Fonda sucking the diks of NV antii-aircraft gunners (who may have killed US airmen) is EXACTLY the same as what Romney did in high school.

 

[Old Pio]

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I definitely think we should focus on more pertinent things. Like I said, I thought his reaction was gross. It isn't going to make or break my vote, obviously.

Well, his non reaction to a non story is definitely the way to breath a second day into this nonsense. But you're not at all concerned, apparantly, with the WaPo making up quotes, timing the release of the story to draw the sharpest possible compaerison with His Snortness and all the rest. That's just part of the topography, not worthy of notice or comment. Just Romney's "lact of affect." Bleah.

 

[Priceless]

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Anyone who was undecided and uses this as the deciding factor is worthless. However, to think no one in the opposition camp is going to make hay with the story is the height of naivete. It's what campaigns are about. It isn't anything new. Everyone says they want a high-minded campaign on the economy, jobs, foreign policy etc but they tune out anytime a politician mentions those issues. The classic example is Al Gore being skewered on SNL for being a policy wonk. Bob Dole spent a great deal of his campaign in 1996 talking about the issues and he got slaughtered in the election. After the campaign, we learned he had a sharp sense of humor - which wouldn't have changed the outcome of the election, but if he had let the American people into that side of himself it would have been closer.

If this had been a story about Barack Obama, do you suppose for a minute Fox "News" or the rest of the right-wing media would have shown restraint and said, "No, this is a story from so long ago it doesn't matter now." If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in Montana to sell you.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Well, his non reaction to a non story is definitely the way to breath a second day into this nonsense. But you're not at all concerned, apparantly, with the WaPo making up quotes, timing the release of the story to draw the sharpest possible compaerison with His Snortness and all the rest. That's just part of the topography, not worthy of notice or comment. Just Romney's "lact of affect." Bleah.

Non reaction? The man laughed as if it were funny. I'm sorry, but it's not funny.

 

[Old Pio]

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I think I was in Orono Junior High when a high school kid named Ed got his hair cut off, not because he was gay simply because he had long hair. This was years after Romney(at least I'm not commie) did his deed.

My only experience with a bully came as a freshman, when a sophomore on the track team climbed up in my face and pushed me after lunch period. I slammed him and his head into a locker, and he never said another word to me again. Naturally, a teacher saw only my reaction, and I nearly not into trouble but witnesses backed me up.

 

[Old Pio]

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Non reaction? The man laughed as if it were funny. I'm sorry, but it's not funny.

Honest to Christo, it takes a special kind of partisanship to work yourself into a lather over something that happened nearly 50 years ago. You'd think we were talking about the Holocaust. It IS funny to be asked questions about high school in a presidential campaign.

 

[Kepler]

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Mondale, Dukakis, Dole and Gore all spent far more time on substantive issues than their opponents. Likeability is very important for the "casual voter." The only unlikeable candidate who has won in my lifetime was Nixon.

 

[Old Pio]

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Mondale, Dukakis, Dole and Gore all spent far more time on substantive issues than their opponents. They all lost. Likeability is very important for the "casual voter." The only unlikeable candidate who has won in our lifetime was Nixon.

No matter what you ask it, the 8-ball always says "yes." Providing you shake it first.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Honest to Christo, it takes a special kind of partisanship to work yourself into a lather over something that happened nearly 50 years ago. You'd think we were talking about the Holocaust. It IS funny to be asked questions about high school in a presidential campaign.

You certainly do have comprehension issues. The issue isn't what happened in High School. The issue is his reaction to it now.

 

[Old Pio]

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You certainly do have comprehension issues. The issue isn't what happened in High School. The issue is his reaction to it now.

I comprehend that anything he said or did in reaction to those events 50 years ago would not have met with your approval. For once, why not just admit it and surprise us all.

 

[Old Pio]

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Mondale, Dukakis, Dole and Gore all spent far more time on substantive issues than their opponents. Likeability is very important for the "casual voter." The only unlikeable candidate who has won in my lifetime was Nixon.

And he was WAY more likeable in '68 than '60. And the MSM never tired of reminding us of the "new" Nixon. Turned out he wasn't all that new.

 

[Old Pio]

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Non reaction? The man laughed as if it were funny. I'm sorry, but it's not funny.

What would have been funny is if Romney said he regretted not kicking the sh*t out of that little f*g. Now THAT would have been hilarious.

 

[Old Pio]

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Anyone who was undecided and uses this as the deciding factor is worthless. However, to think no one in the opposition camp is going to make hay with the story is the height of naivete. It's what campaigns are about. It isn't anything new. Everyone says they want a high-minded campaign on the economy, jobs, foreign policy etc but they tune out anytime a politician mentions those issues. The classic example is Al Gore being skewered on SNL for being a policy wonk. Bob Dole spent a great deal of his campaign in 1996 talking about the issues and he got slaughtered in the election. After the campaign, we learned he had a sharp sense of humor - which wouldn't have changed the outcome of the election, but if he had let the American people into that side of himself it would have been closer.

If this had been a story about Barack Obama, do you suppose for a minute Fox "News" or the rest of the right-wing media would have shown restraint and said, "No, this is a story from so long ago it doesn't matter now." If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in Montana to sell you.

"Rest of the right wing media?" This compulsion for the truth by the MSM evidently doesn't include His Oneness' dietary habits and drug habits and college grades. Nothing to see here, move along. You are exactly correct, as the man once said: "poitics ain't beanbag." The issue to me is the willingness and extent to which the MSM are willing to go to see "their" president re-elected. And if that includes downplaying or ignoring incidents in His Majesty's past then so be it. And if it includes doing the work of the Obama oppo people and enhancing a story with fraudulent quotes, and timing its release for the maximum positive impact to His Oneness, then so be it.

You really didn't mean to compare the WaPo to Fox, did you?

Yeah, SNL used to be pretty even handed in its treatment of politicians. Dana Carvey's Ross Perot was other worldly funny. And Gore's "lockbox" was hilarious. As was Bush's "strategery." Now, however, SNL sh*tcans a sketch mildly critical of His Wonderfulness and replaces it with a sketch making fun of (wait for it) Fox News. How refreshing. How daring. How predictable.

His Cocaineness has no choice. He (and his surrogates) can't talk about his record. So he and they will talk about how much better things will get if he's reelected (with no mention of how worse they got after he got elected). And Seamus and Cranbrook are part of that narrative. Mr. "Let's put partisanship behind us" will run the most negative campaign ever. And if it turns out to be worse than the campaign run against Goldwater, it'll be a doozy.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Foster kid.

Sorry for the edit but I quoted the wront post. This is a tremendous act by you and your wife. If you don't mind the invasiveness of the question, have you had kids of your own? Either way nice step. I know it in no way compares in convication and commitment but my wife and I have considered taking in an exachange student this next fall.

Occupy MN just walked by my office along Marquette Ave a few minutes ago. More than a few of them could stand to occupy a bath. I know it's an old joke, but it's not so much a joke when you look at them.

 

[amherstblackbear]

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And if it turns out to be worse than the campaign run against Goldwater, it'll be a doozy.

I'm not sure we'll see things get that far. I don't have any direct experience to draw on, but that's always seemed like a different era -- the wild west of political advertising. There were no boundaries yet.

We went from "A vote for Goldwater is a vote to incinerate your daughter in an atomic inferno" to the much more milquetoast "Do you want Obama to be the one answering the phone at 3am?"

 

[Old Pio]

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I'm not sure we'll see things get that far. I don't have any direct experience to draw on, but that's always seemed like a different era -- the wild west of political advertising. There were no boundaries yet.

We went from "A vote for Goldwater is a vote to incinerate your daughter in an atomic inferno" to the much more milquetoast "Do you want Obama to be the one answering the phone at 3am?"

That spot aired only once, IIRC. A related ploy these days is for a campaign to unveil a spot in a news conference that it has no intention of paying to air. They hope to "earn" media coverage instead. It frequently works.

Among other things, Fact Magazine a (published by the pornographer Ralph Ginzburg) accused Goldwater of being a "latent homosexual." Remember, this was '64. Goldwater subsequently sued. . .and won, but not before his wife had to testify that he was an ardent lover, etc.

Recall that CBS' Daniel Schorr said Goldwater was "going to link up with the right wing in Germany" (and we all know who they are, wink, wink, nudge, nudge) in "Hitler's old stomping ground at Bertshesgaden." CBS couldn't get away clean with that one today.

Although decades later they tried to influence the outcome of a presidential election by airing a story based on forged documents. A story the producer of which was thoughtful enough to let the Kerry campaign know was coming. The producer and anchor both lost their jobs over that one. Dan Schorr went merrily on his way after attempting to link Goldwater to Nazis. Some things have changed, but not CBS and the rest of the MSM.

 

[leswp1]

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High school? Seriously, high school is the best the Dems can come up with? You may want to take a look at a few of the things that Obama brags about in his book that he did in high school if this is such a concern for you. Anything to keep people from talking about the economy I guess.

That's not it. Or hey, maybe it is and I am completely biased.

Are you telling me it didn't bother you in the least? I'm asking that seriously -- if enough people tell me it didn't bother them, or if whether or not it bothered people seems to correlate 100% with their political leanings, then it could just be a case of seeing what you want to see.

I wouldn't decide my vote - I watched him as governor and that would cure me voting for him even if he sudden'y could walk on water. It gives me pause not just for his reaction now but that he act in that way at any age.

I have been asking myself all day why I had such a visceral reaction to the incident. I understand that he was a kid. They were both talking about the same age but my reaction to Romneys 'incident' was much stronger reaction than to Obama saying he got wasted the last few yrs of HS. I don't applaud what Obama did. What he did was stupid for sure but it wasn't aimed at making someone else feel bad. Having the ability to act that way to another person is something that I think of as a personality trait that usually doesn't go away. They may grow up and figure out how to behave with more finess but most people wouldn't consider acting that way to another person no matter how old we were/are. Probably an extreme analogy but if the person kicks his dog and is nice to his mother I still would be wary even if it was yrs later and the person seemed nice.

The lesson here is don't pass yourself off a Mr Clean when that's not the case. We've seen it time and time again with rigthies (Vitter, Craig, Ensign, Hyde, etc).

I have one word. Edwards