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Elections 2012 -- Kull Wahad!!!

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The same disconnect between "whether" and "how much" applies to other government programs too.

Take the EPA; if someone says the EPA is getting carried away with itself and is over-reaching, the accusations then fly about wanting air and water to become polluted again, which is just nonsense. We really do need seriously to say "our air and water are clean enough right now that we now need to stop and think about whether getting them just a tiny bit cleaner is worth a huge additional incremental outlay."


On one hand we say want to get people to burn fewer fossil fuels and drive electric cars, on the other hand we are also crippling the ability of utilities to generate electricity, while in the meantime there already is a huge shortage of generator capacity: if even 10% of drivers had electric cars, the electricity grid would be completely overwhelmed by the additional demand and break down.


yet try to get anyone to speak with some thoughtful moderation and within minutes it's back to the "whether or not, all or none" hardline nonsense from both sides.

A new electric grid would be a fantastic public works program. I wonder who's stopping that from happening?
 
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Easiest thing to do is just stop. Cut off Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security 100% right now and use that tax collection to pay off the debt. Once the debt has been paid off let everyone who pays payroll taxes get the tax break.

Problem solved. And it meets Grover's requirements for tax policy so everyone should agree.
Should I just drown myself in the river out back, or will there be a centralized location for people like me to kill ourselves?
 
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Who's backyard is this running through?

If I had a big enough backyard to make putting up a windmill feasible I'd be doing it. Unfortunately my backyard isn't big enough.
 
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If I had a big enough backyard to make putting up a windmill feasible I'd be doing it. Unfortunately my backyard isn't big enough.

I like what some are doing in Washington D.C. Put solar panels on every house and the energy that is collected offsets the homeowners energy costs. The new grid would help facilitate that.
 
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A new electric grid would be a fantastic public works program.

A new electric grid without coal is the EPA's goal, no?

It seems to me that in this day and age, a new "grid" is antiquated thinking. We are too centralized for our own safety and effectiveness also suffers. We need more, local, smaller generation capacity, not trying to create grids using green energy. Embed solar fibers in roofing shingles, incinerate more trash, that kind of stuff.

Neither party will support this idea because neither party can milk enough campaign contributions from the idea.

In many ways, this election is about Crony Capitalism (D) vs Crony Capitalism (R). yuck.
 
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Report: 2012 Election Likely To Be Decided By 4 Or 5 Key Swing Corporations

WASHINGTON—With polls this week showing the race between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney tightening even further, a growing number of political experts have declared this year's election will almost certainly be decided by a small handful of swing corporations.

"While most publicly traded companies are solidly red or blue, there are four or five major corporations that are complete tossups right now, and any one of them could prove decisive come November," said Nate Silver of The New York Times, noting in particular that Procter & Gamble, a traditional bellwether for the country as a whole, remained a "total wildcard." "Both candidates will have to focus almost exclusively on these swing businesses in order to gain the upper hand."

"And given how close this race is, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing comes down to undecided executives at Dow Chemical or Disney," Silver continued. "Let's not forget 2000, when Philip Morris International single-handedly put George W. Bush into office."

According to polling data, the president's favorability has fallen steadily among independent-leaning multinationals, a demographic that effectively carried him to victory in 2008. Additionally, the latest figures suggest that even some reliably Democratic strongholds, such as Google, may now be in play, buoying hopes within the Romney camp that the GOP challenger could take the White House with an unexpected victory in a key tech boardroom.

Recognizing the importance of these closely contested conglomerates, both Obama and Romney have made frequent campaign stops at swing corporations in recent weeks and delivered speeches aimed squarely at these pivotal companies’ interests, with both candidates blasting each other as out of touch with the issues that truly matter to real American CEOs.

"As president, I promise to stand up for you in Washington and always put you first," Romney said earlier this week, addressing an audience in the battleground boardroom of Time Warner during a barnstorming tour through the communications sector. "All of you good, hardworking people gathered here represent the best of America, and mark my words, I will do everything in my power to fight for your freedoms and prosperity."
 
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A new electric grid without coal is the EPA's goal, no?

Not universally, no. Around here, they've tooted their horn about how they approved new boilers in a coal-fired plant that increased efficiency, so it produced the same amount of power while releasing less CO2.
 
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A new electric grid would be a fantastic public works program. I wonder who's stopping that from happening?

If they keep giving hundreds of millions of dollars to fly-by-night start ups run by their friends all we'll get is some shaky accounting reports and an empty warehouse.
 
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I like what some are doing in Washington D.C. Put solar panels on every house and the energy that is collected offsets the homeowners energy costs. The new grid would help facilitate that.
Are they selling the kWH back at going rate or are the electric companies paying about 5 0r 10 times the going rate?
 
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Get. Off. Soapbox.

Nobody is saying they don't gotta pay, but when is enough enough.

Perhaps when they're paying something more than the lowest marginal rates they've seen in the last century or so? A return to the Clinton-era rates would be a nice show of good faith that they agree they "gotta pay" at least something. I don't recall the wealthy hurting all that much in the 90's...
 
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Naturally someone researched this and it turns out that the government didn't create the Internet either....

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444464304577539063008406518.html?mod=opinion_newsreel


By the way, here's yet another story debunking the WSJ's editorial. I'm sure we'll see your mea culpa any second now, won't we? Especially since you're a self-proclaimed liberal with an open mind and not merely a parrot of Rupert Murdoch's rags, right?

http://www.slate.com/articles/techn...ion_came_from_private_enterprise_.single.html
 
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