Elections 2012: Congressional and Gubernatorial

[Kepler]

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Heitkamp is running a smart campaign in ND. She's running against Obama and Obamacare.

Romney's running a better one against Romney and Romneycare.

 

[Old Pio]

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Heitkamp is running a smart campaign in ND. She's running against Obama and Obamacare.

Smart enough that she won't be in Charlotte. And despite the fact most of us think Akin's deadmeat in Mo. (including, evidently, the NRSC) Claire's not gonna be there either. No sense in getting any of that on your boots.

http://freebeacon.com/five-democrats-playing-hooky-from-dnc/

 

[FreshFish]

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Nice interveiw with Joe Lieberman here.

an excerpt:

Lieberman also describes a “decisive turn” on economics that is “not good for the Democratic Party.”

“You can’t have jobs without growth,” he says. “I hope it doesn’t become the class warfare party, turning poor against rich, turning the middle class against the wealthy. It doesn’t work. The middle class wants to be upper class.”

While he endorses the tax increases contained in the Simpson-Bowles deficit reduction plan, he also urges the Democratic Party to “remain the opportunity party, JFK’s rising-tide party.”

And Lieberman argues that religion and values need to have a place in the Democratic appeal. While working on the 1996 Democratic platform, Lieberman says he noticed that “the preceding few had an omission: the name of God. It is part of who we are as a people. I asked, have you checked any polling lately? God is running ahead of any living politician. So we put in a reference.”

Leaders, he says, should “connect with the majority by reflecting their best values and living by them.” Republicans have often “unsettled people” with talk of religious values. But the alternative is not to be “neutral or mute.”

“People need sources of morality for good behavior,” he argues, “and there is none better than religion.”

“I don’t know how much Democrats want to hear my advice,” Lieberman laughingly concedes. But it is an indictment of both main parties that a supporter of civil rights, economic justice, strong defense, economic opportunity and religious values should end his service as a party of one.

 

[FreshFish]

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Saw that in a recent "PPP" poll (whatever that is....), Scott Brown leads 1/128 Cherokee Warren by 5 points.

 

[joecct]

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A compelling reason to vote GOP in the House elections: http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2507203#.UEj1WHUZS28.twitter

 

[Kepler]

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A compelling reason to vote GOP in the House elections: http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2507203#.UEj1WHUZS28.twitter

Pelosi has actually been a good leader. I would think dumping Boehner would be a far more compelling reason for Republicans to vote Democratic.

 

[Rover]

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Saw that in a recent "PPP" poll (whatever that is....), Scott Brown leads 1/128 Cherokee Warren by 5 points.

Scott Brown is screwed. When Obama wins Massachusetts by like 60/40 over Mittens the only way Brownie wins is if 20% of Obama voters turn around and vote for him. That's a tall order given that a vote for him is a vote for Itch McConnell and I'm curious how the slow witted Senator is going to fare in the debates with Warren.

 

[FreshFish]

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I'm curious how the slow witted Senator is going to fare in the debates with Warren.

as long as his face doesn't turn red and he starts shrieking when challenged he'll probably survive okay. Warren can get a bit shrill and if he goads her properly, who knows what will happen.

Still wondering how someone who had an earned income of $900,000 gets away with passing herself off as a populist.

 

[Kepler]

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PPP : Dems :: Rasmussen : Republicans

I always add 2 points to the GOP on a PPP poll. That would put Senator Playgirl ahead by 7 points.

Warren has run an awful race. That MA seat is hers to win and it looks like she may blow it. That would be an epic fail. She's brilliant, but she probably belongs behind the scenes.

I don't think a debate will help. People do not like academics -- it reminds them of the C's they got in school. Brown is a central casting mediocre who will just need to give her a "gee, shucks professor" look. Even in MA the rubes lap that up every time.

The sad fact is Dubya would beat any of the Founders with today's electorate.

 

[Old Pio]

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PPP : Dems :: Rasmussen : Republicans

I always add 2 points to the GOP on a PPP poll. That would put Senator Playgirl ahead by 7 points.

Warren has run an awful race. That MA seat is hers to win and it looks like she may blow it. That would be an epic fail. She's brilliant, but she probably belongs behind the scenes.

I don't think a debate will help. People do not like academics -- it reminds them of the C's they got in school. Brown is a central casting mediocre who will just need to give her a "gee, shucks professor" look. Even in MA the rubes lap that up every time.

The sad fact is Dubya would beat any of the Founders with today's electorate.

D*mn inconsiderate of them, don't you think?

Brown is smart enough to make a half court shot and to fold laundry. Fauxcahontas, on the other hand, offers us recipes featuring those delicious Oklahoma crabs.

 

[TimP]

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Between Mittens and Brownie, it's disgusting to see some of the awfulness that can exist even in Massachusetts. My state better not re-elect a loser who drives a truck.

 

[Old Pio]

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Between Mittens and Brownie, it's disgusting to see some of the awfulness that can exist even in Massachusetts. My state better not re-elect a loser who drives a truck.

Flag on the play. Aren't Democraps the ones who are emphasizing the "common man," and "humble roots" and all that jazz? And here comes a dues paying Democrap who calls a guy a loser because he drives a truck. Not good form, bud. Need to keep your prejudices and bigotry more in check.

 

[ericredaxe]

Flag on the play. Aren't Democraps the ones who are emphasizing the "common man," and "humble roots" and all that jazz? And here comes a dues paying Democrap who calls a guy a loser because he drives a truck. Not good form, bud. Need to keep your prejudices and bigotry more in check.

Pssssst..... Don't get drawn in by a web of "timp-ian" logic.

 

[geezer]

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Pelosi has actually been a good leader.

That's the fastest revisionist history attempt ever. She's been out of the chair what, two years? From being widely regarded then as dangerously incompetent if not nearly as pure evil as a Republican by destroying Congress' ability to function together, to "a good leader"? Wow.

 

[Kepler]

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That's the fastest revisionist history attempt ever. She's been out of the chair what, two years? From being widely regarded then as dangerously incompetent if not nearly as pure evil as a Republican by destroying Congress' ability to function together, to "a good leader"? Wow.

Oh, please. She was reviled by the nutbars because she didn't take their crap and of course the Echo Chamber lampooned her because Oh Noes Woman With Liberal Opinions and Screechy Voice! Jezebel! Anathema!, but she actually did gain the reputation as being a (surprisingly) good leader. I thought she would suck. She wound up being an extremely effective HML.

I think the public would be shocked by how the Members and staff actually think of many of both the sacred cows and the scapegoats of the media messaging. There is very little relationship between the soundbite consumer's opinions and the actuality. This goes for both parties and transcends partisanship. Many of the Members who the media sagely intones as "respected leaders" are laughed at on the Hill, and many of those that wind up the butt of the jokes are actually known as the real deal behind conference doors.

 

[Rover]

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PPP : Dems :: Rasmussen : Republicans

I always add 2 points to the GOP on a PPP poll. That would put Senator Playgirl ahead by 7 points.

Warren has run an awful race. That MA seat is hers to win and it looks like she may blow it. That would be an epic fail. She's brilliant, but she probably belongs behind the scenes.

I don't think a debate will help. People do not like academics -- it reminds them of the C's they got in school. Brown is a central casting mediocre who will just need to give her a "gee, shucks professor" look. Even in MA the rubes lap that up every time.

The sad fact is Dubya would beat any of the Founders with today's electorate.

I believe the PPP poll had a Presidential head to head with the O getting 55% of the vote. I don't remember the last time a Republican held a Democrat to 55% of the vote in Mass, but I'm guessing it was Reagan (who won the state) in '84. The point being the makeup of that poll seemed to be a little GOP friendly.

Warren's been running a good campaign. The notion that she should be leading by 10 points is ridiculous. Brown is popular personally and he's going to stay that way. All she need do is stay tied, have a good debate performance, and then ride Obama's coattails into office. I'll say, again, 20% of people voting for Obama need to turn around and vote for Brown for him to win. Warren simply needs to frame this race as a vote for Brown is a vote for Itch McConnell and his pals. That's what sunk the then-popular Lincoln Chafee down in Rhode Island in his Senate re-election campaign a few years back.

It always amazes me how pundits will proclaim there's no way Tester for example can win in Montana even though he's personally popular due to an expected overwhelming Romney victory there, yet Brown is a lead pipe cinch to win in Mass, despite the expected overwhelming Obama victory, because he's personally popular.

 

[Kepler]

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It always amazes me how pundits will proclaim there's no way Tester for example can win in Montana even though he's personally popular due to an expected overwhelming Romney victory there

I actually didn't realize Tester was even running again. For some reason I thought he was retiring. I must be thinking of somebody else from up there.

(My wife is PO'ed about him for not coming through as a Working Class Hero. I can't think of a single thing he's done, good or bad. Seems like Ben Cardin with fewer fingers.)

 

[ericredaxe]

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Scott Brown is screwed. When Obama wins Massachusetts by like 60/40 over Mittens the only way Brownie wins is if 20% of Obama voters turn around and vote for him. That's a tall order given that a vote for him is a vote for Itch McConnell and I'm curious how the slow witted Senator is going to fare in the debates with Warren.

I'm not sure he is screwed at all. I think he has pretty good approval ratings and has certinally played up the "independent voice" theme and that sits well with a lot of people who feel we need more moderates in the Senate. There will certainly be ticket splitters who vote for Obama and Brown. It will be close either way I think.

 

[Rover]

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I'm not sure he is screwed at all. I think he has pretty good approval ratings and has certinally played up the "independent voice" theme and that sits well with a lot of people who feel we need more moderates in the Senate. There will certainly be ticket splitters who vote for Obama and Brown. It will be close either way I think.

I'm sure it will be close race and the guy's done about as much as he can. My point about Warren is that she is the only realistic Dem out there this year that would have made this race competitive. I think pundits and the media who tend to have a crush on Scott Brown for whatever reason miss that point. The 2012 electorate that comes out to re-elect Obama in Massachusetts will be a majority liberal one, unlike the special election that he won his seat in. Brown needs a significant portion of liberals, not conservadems, but true blue liberals, to vote for him even though that means potentially giving Mitch McConnell a Senate majority. That's asking a lot which is why I take the position that Brown is in a much more tenuous position than political observers tend to think. He's also not going to have a money advantage either in this race.

 

[Kepler]

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I'm sure it will be close race and the guy's done about as much as he can. My point about Warren is that she is the only realistic Dem out there this year that would have made this race competitive. I think pundits and the media who tend to have a crush on Scott Brown for whatever reason miss that point. The 2012 electorate that comes out to re-elect Obama in Massachusetts will be a majority liberal one, unlike the special election that he won his seat in. Brown needs a significant portion of liberals, not conservadems, but true blue liberals, to vote for him even though that means potentially giving Mitch McConnell a Senate majority. That's asking a lot which is why I take the position that Brown is in a much more tenuous position than political observers tend to think. He's also not going to have a money advantage either in this race.

I can see Scott Brown winning, tacking more and more left to hold his job, and eventually switching parties and enraging everybody. MA is a national joke after Dukakis, Kerry, and Romney, and that would about wrap it up for them.