What I find to be amusing is that the people who are first to lament how service in the armed forces is no longer respected as it once was are the very same people who will think nothing of slanding a veteran's wartime service on a moment's notice because they disagree with his or her politics. Ironic, wouldn't you say?
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Elections 2012: Congressional and Gubernatorial
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What I find to be amusing is that the people who are first to lament how service in the armed forces is no longer respected as it once was are the very same people who will think nothing of slanding a veteran's wartime service on a moment's notice because they disagree with his or her politics. Ironic, wouldn't you say?
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What is certainly not amusing is for that same veteran to return home and slander an entire generation of other veterans in a cynical effort to get his political career started. Kerry is a piece of sh*t and always has been.
A Yalie phony who showed up out of uniform to testify before the senate, putting lies and d*mn lies into the record that smeared hundreds of thousands of vets (many of them draftees) who were doing the best they could under tough circumstances. Kerry did more to cause disrespect to serving in our military than anyone in my lifetime. A phony who lied about "throwing away my medals" for a photo op. Rusty Calley can't hold a candle to this despicable, self-serving a*shole.
What is certainly not amusing is for that same veteran to return home and slander an entire generation of other veterans in a cynical effort to get his political career started. Kerry is a piece of sh*t and always has been.
A Yalie phony who showed up out of uniform to testify before the senate, putting lies and d*mn lies into the record that smeared hundreds of thousands of vets (many of them draftees) who were doing the best they could under tough circumstances. Kerry did more to cause disrespect to serving in our military than anyone in my lifetime. A phony who lied about "throwing away my medals" for a photo op. Rusty Calley can't hold a candle to this despicable, self-serving a*shole.
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I like Kerry's politics, insofar as they are political views and positions that we both happen to share, just fine. However unlike some people I don't feel that having the "politically correct policy positions" excuses someone for being a complete jackwad waste of space without any respect for the rest of the people on the planet. There is far too much potential for bad results when we excuse any kind of scum in the name of party allegiance. Character still counts.
I like Kerry's politics, insofar as they are political views and positions that we both happen to share, just fine. However unlike some people I don't feel that having the "politically correct policy positions" excuses someone for being a complete jackwad waste of space without any respect for the rest of the people on the planet. There is far too much potential for bad results when we excuse any kind of scum in the name of party allegiance. Character still counts.
I'm not Kerry's biggest fan either, but his wartime service was heroic. Say that to a knuckledragger and watch their reaction. Is Kerry arrogant, long winded and a stiff? Sure. Does that mean his war record is open for slander? No. People like Old PO'd want to play an "ends justify the means" game, where you can say "well he protested the war so we can BS his service record". Without knowing Opie's own military career, that's a ridiculous attitude. Kerry almost getting killed in Vietnam (a little slower on the trigger and he would have been killed instead of the NVA soldier) earned him the right to protest it afterwards.
Liberals were never Bob Dole's biggest fan, but I don't recall anybody blasting his service in WWII.
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At least he went to war. Unlike a few other "patriots" I know.
At least he went to war. Unlike a few other "patriots" I know.
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I disagree. Keep in mind that his "protest" included very damaging lies (under oath) about the actions of hundreds of good people. There's no excuse.
In any event, he's probably not running for office right now (is he?) so I'll leave him alone.
I disagree. Keep in mind that his "protest" included very damaging lies (under oath) about the actions of hundreds of good people. There's no excuse.
In any event, he's probably not running for office right now (is he?) so I'll leave him alone.
Okay Rambo, lets hear some war stories...
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In once breath you're "not Kerry's biggest fan." In the next, a blizzard of non sequitors in his defense. Which is it? I have no idea whether Kerry was a hero. However, his service was honorable as far as I know. You're still smarting, evidently, over other vets, who served at the same time and in the same place and doing the same thing as Kerry who question his narrative. Such as being sent to Cambodia for Christmas of '68 by a president who wasn't yet in office. Pointing out the gaps in that narrative constitutes "slandering" in your view, and is the same as the lies he told, under oath, before the Senate.
Somehow, as usual, this is about me. If you're going to mention me in your posts, why not try telling the truth? I'll give $100 to your favorite charity if you can refer to a single post of mine criticizing Kerry's war record. I have very carefully separated his service record from his activities after the war. Yet, even though you're "not his biggest fan," you have no problem smearing me to make your point.
Kerry made his service the centerpiece of his campaign. Opening his convention speech with "John Kerry, reporting for duty," with a bunch of his comrades up there on the podium with him. Evidently what he did in his 20's is more relevant to the kind of president he would have made then the several terms he'd served in the Senate. And if other vets took exception to his service claims, that's their business and their right.
Nobody criticized Bob Dole's record because his career was not based in whole or in part on slandering the people he served with. And even you should be able to recognize the difference between a close call and being so grievously wounded that you nearly die and bear the scars 65 years later.
Kerry did way more than "protest" the Vietnam war. And you are either lying or totally ignorant of his activities. I served in the United States Air Force for four years. And don't have to justify it to anyone, least of all a punk like you.
In once breath you're "not Kerry's biggest fan." In the next, a blizzard of non sequitors in his defense. Which is it? I have no idea whether Kerry was a hero. However, his service was honorable as far as I know. You're still smarting, evidently, over other vets, who served at the same time and in the same place and doing the same thing as Kerry who question his narrative. Such as being sent to Cambodia for Christmas of '68 by a president who wasn't yet in office. Pointing out the gaps in that narrative constitutes "slandering" in your view, and is the same as the lies he told, under oath, before the Senate.
Somehow, as usual, this is about me. If you're going to mention me in your posts, why not try telling the truth? I'll give $100 to your favorite charity if you can refer to a single post of mine criticizing Kerry's war record. I have very carefully separated his service record from his activities after the war. Yet, even though you're "not his biggest fan," you have no problem smearing me to make your point.
Kerry made his service the centerpiece of his campaign. Opening his convention speech with "John Kerry, reporting for duty," with a bunch of his comrades up there on the podium with him. Evidently what he did in his 20's is more relevant to the kind of president he would have made then the several terms he'd served in the Senate. And if other vets took exception to his service claims, that's their business and their right.
Nobody criticized Bob Dole's record because his career was not based in whole or in part on slandering the people he served with. And even you should be able to recognize the difference between a close call and being so grievously wounded that you nearly die and bear the scars 65 years later.
Kerry did way more than "protest" the Vietnam war. And you are either lying or totally ignorant of his activities. I served in the United States Air Force for four years. And don't have to justify it to anyone, least of all a punk like you.
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Not everyone who served is Rambo. Actually no one who served is Rambo, since he's a fictional character. But then, as a permanent 4-F, you wouldn't know that.
Not everyone who served is Rambo. Actually no one who served is Rambo, since he's a fictional character. But then, as a permanent 4-F, you wouldn't know that.
I'm fully aware of his testimony, which by and large recounted things he was told by fellow vets. Given the events of My Lai, I'm not sure why this would be inconceivable.
However, as Kerry didn't award medals to himself, but was awarded them by the military, not only by questioning whether or not his service was honorable are you slandering him you're also slandering the very entity you apparantly served in for four years and I'll assume are proud to be associated with. Nice. See while I may or may not think you're a total idiot, that opinion doesn't make me want to start blasting your service in the air force or accuse you of deception.
What's funny in all of this is how it ends up biting you in the @ ss. 4 years ago all we heard was whining out of the right about how McCain's heroic service was being overlooked by the voters. Gee whiz, I wonder why that was, as your side spent the last two campaigns not only debasing the service of the two Dem candidates, but also launched a whispering campaign against their own candidate claiming his war experience left him mentally imbalanced. That victim of slander? McCAIN! You reap what you sow I guess..
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The testimony he entered into the record after the "winter soldier" hearings mostly turns out to be lies told by people who were not only not in Vietnam, but never actually served. So you're not really "fully aware."
I haven't "slandered" Kerry's service, just the opposite. But you keep repeating that lie. You figure you're going to convince anyone if you just say it often enough? It's a lie. And you're a liar. And a punk.*
*It takes a special kind of chutzpah to compare Al Gore's service (a spec-4 behind the lines with his own personal bodyguard) to John McCain's (naval aviator, graduate of Annapolis, and held for 5 years as a POW).
The testimony he entered into the record after the "winter soldier" hearings mostly turns out to be lies told by people who were not only not in Vietnam, but never actually served. So you're not really "fully aware."
I haven't "slandered" Kerry's service, just the opposite. But you keep repeating that lie. You figure you're going to convince anyone if you just say it often enough? It's a lie. And you're a liar. And a punk.*
*It takes a special kind of chutzpah to compare Al Gore's service (a spec-4 behind the lines with his own personal bodyguard) to John McCain's (naval aviator, graduate of Annapolis, and held for 5 years as a POW).
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Nice try sparky, but I'm not comparing Gore's service to McCain's but I'm not sure why you'd care as a GWB supporter. Clearly his people starting a whispering campaign against the old codger doesn't bother you too much. Odd, but whatever.
I'm more talking about how Gore who openly admitted the nature of his participation in Vietnam was somehow "not enough of a veteran" while GWB keeping the skies over Texas safe from the Viet Cong while skipping half his duties to work on a poltical campaign was the height of service to his country. Makes sense in hindsight, seeing how Romney equated his son working on his campaign to military service. Tell me Opie, is that your view too (work on GOP campaign = same as being in armed forces)? Funny people you choose to support.
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Flying a small plane, especially a jet interceptor, over water at night is dangerous, under any circumstances. Just ask JFK, jr. You and the rest of the libstains act like flying a fighter jet (whether for the National Guard or off the deck of a carrier) is child's play. Anyone can do it. You wouldn't last a day. I know I wouldn't have. But George W. Bush or Al Gore or Rusty Calley or Sgt. York aren't the issue here. The issue, despite your strenuous efforts to change the subject, is John Kerry.
This will be difficult for a lying punk to understand, but I'll try anyway: I'm not responsible for what anyone, anywhere says about anything, only for what I say. It's guilt by association to blame me for what others say. And that includes George W. Bush, who last time I looked wasn't on a ballot this time around. And I'm not familiar with the quote you attribute to Romney so I can't comment. I would, however, prefer to know the context of the remark and not rely on you for an accurate assessment.
I grew up with libstains who said it was guilt by association to question the patriotism of people who "just went to a couple of meetings in college." But somehow in your mind that benefit of the doubt doesn't apply to me. I'm responsible for what Akin says and any of the other Republican ding bats? Horse sh*t.
Military service is not a punchline. You don't know anything about it except what you've seen in the movies. Al Gore served honorably, so far as I know. The problem was his lack of honesty about it. If he'd said he joined the Army to help his anti-war father's re-election chances, that would be true and honorable. Instead, he said he went because "he didn't want some other young man to go in his place." If that were the case, then he probably should have served a full tour in 'Nam, and not just showed up (with his bodyguard) for a cup of coffee. The only sacrifice he likely made was having to stand in line for chow. The casualty rates for Army journalists behind the lines was quite low.
This business about medals can be maddening. Take the Purple Heart. Former Senator Max Cleland lost his legs in Vietnam but was not awarded a Purple Heart--his horrific injuries did not occur as a result of enemy action. Whereas, getting a minor wound, that requires Bactine and a bandaid to treat, can earn you a Purple Heart if it was caused by the enemy.
You also have to differentiate between officers and enlisteds. It's well known that officers sometimes give each other "gentlemen's" medals. Take LBJ. He wore a lapel pin all of his life which represented the Silver Star. Turns out what he did to "earn" that medal was take one flight, as a passenger, over a specified area. I don't begruge LBJ the decoration, but it's doubtful if there were any privates on that flight, they were similarly honored.
Al Gore served honoably. John Kerry served honorably. George W. Bush served honorably. John McCain served honorably. Bill Clinton dodged the draft. And you want to change the subject and confuse the issue. The issue is John Kerry. And what sets Kerry apart from these others is the dishonor he heaped on tens of thousand of other honorable people in order to launch his political career. You find that unremarkable. I find it unforgiveable.
Flying a small plane, especially a jet interceptor, over water at night is dangerous, under any circumstances. Just ask JFK, jr. You and the rest of the libstains act like flying a fighter jet (whether for the National Guard or off the deck of a carrier) is child's play. Anyone can do it. You wouldn't last a day. I know I wouldn't have. But George W. Bush or Al Gore or Rusty Calley or Sgt. York aren't the issue here. The issue, despite your strenuous efforts to change the subject, is John Kerry.
This will be difficult for a lying punk to understand, but I'll try anyway: I'm not responsible for what anyone, anywhere says about anything, only for what I say. It's guilt by association to blame me for what others say. And that includes George W. Bush, who last time I looked wasn't on a ballot this time around. And I'm not familiar with the quote you attribute to Romney so I can't comment. I would, however, prefer to know the context of the remark and not rely on you for an accurate assessment.
I grew up with libstains who said it was guilt by association to question the patriotism of people who "just went to a couple of meetings in college." But somehow in your mind that benefit of the doubt doesn't apply to me. I'm responsible for what Akin says and any of the other Republican ding bats? Horse sh*t.
Military service is not a punchline. You don't know anything about it except what you've seen in the movies. Al Gore served honorably, so far as I know. The problem was his lack of honesty about it. If he'd said he joined the Army to help his anti-war father's re-election chances, that would be true and honorable. Instead, he said he went because "he didn't want some other young man to go in his place." If that were the case, then he probably should have served a full tour in 'Nam, and not just showed up (with his bodyguard) for a cup of coffee. The only sacrifice he likely made was having to stand in line for chow. The casualty rates for Army journalists behind the lines was quite low.
This business about medals can be maddening. Take the Purple Heart. Former Senator Max Cleland lost his legs in Vietnam but was not awarded a Purple Heart--his horrific injuries did not occur as a result of enemy action. Whereas, getting a minor wound, that requires Bactine and a bandaid to treat, can earn you a Purple Heart if it was caused by the enemy.
You also have to differentiate between officers and enlisteds. It's well known that officers sometimes give each other "gentlemen's" medals. Take LBJ. He wore a lapel pin all of his life which represented the Silver Star. Turns out what he did to "earn" that medal was take one flight, as a passenger, over a specified area. I don't begruge LBJ the decoration, but it's doubtful if there were any privates on that flight, they were similarly honored.
Al Gore served honoably. John Kerry served honorably. George W. Bush served honorably. John McCain served honorably. Bill Clinton dodged the draft. And you want to change the subject and confuse the issue. The issue is John Kerry. And what sets Kerry apart from these others is the dishonor he heaped on tens of thousand of other honorable people in order to launch his political career. You find that unremarkable. I find it unforgiveable.
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It's not a "tantrum" to respond to lies with the truth. Go fark yourself. I wish all you "seekers after the truth" and "diversity" phonies would put me on ignore. There'd be just that much less bull sh*t around here. You're another one who probably wouldn't know an E-5 from a C-5.
Besides, putting me on ignore would give you two more time to cuddle.
It's not a "tantrum" to respond to lies with the truth. Go fark yourself. I wish all you "seekers after the truth" and "diversity" phonies would put me on ignore. There'd be just that much less bull sh*t around here. You're another one who probably wouldn't know an E-5 from a C-5.
Besides, putting me on ignore would give you two more time to cuddle.
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Everyone knows the term "gook" is properly applied to North Koreans. "Dink," "zipperhead" and "slope" are more appropriate for NVA and Vietcong scum.
Everyone knows the term "gook" is properly applied to North Koreans. "Dink," "zipperhead" and "slope" are more appropriate for NVA and Vietcong scum.
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The older generation rears its head. I'm honestly curious to know where those terms for the NVA/Vietcong came from.
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The older generation rears its head. I'm honestly curious to know where those terms for the NVA/Vietcong came from.
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