Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
I assume you're applying the same standard to Harry Reid's accusations.
Oh good lord...
I assume you're applying the same standard to Harry Reid's accusations.
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Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
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Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
Why is it "derp" to want to know what His Hidingsomethingness' grades were in college?. A significant part of his biography is based on those grades. Why can't we see them? Surely if there was nothing embarrassing about those grades he would have proudly shared them with us, wouldn't he? I politely disagree.
Why is it "derp" to want to know what His Hidingsomethingness' grades were in college?. A significant part of his biography is based on those grades. Why can't we see them? Surely if there was nothing embarrassing about those grades he would have proudly shared them with us, wouldn't he? I politely disagree.
unofan
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It's not derp to wonder about his college grades (though the fact he became the top editor of Harvard's Law Review speaks volumes)...it is derp to keep going back to the non-American angle over, and over, and over again.
It's not derp to wonder about his college grades (though the fact he became the top editor of Harvard's Law Review speaks volumes)...it is derp to keep going back to the non-American angle over, and over, and over again.
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I fully support a taxes-for-grades disclosure party.
This.
I fully support a taxes-for-grades disclosure party.
Jon
Say, this is nice.
I was foolishly hoping that a Third Party would be between the GOP and the Dems.
I hate politics.
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It may "speak volumes" to you, but not to me. Defenders of His Transcriptlessness have been waving the bloody shirt of the Law Review for years. Besides, am I wrong, or have I read that unlike other "top editors," he never had any articles published? The issue here is his academic history, which he's traded on significantly for years. Well, let's see the grades. And the LSAT scores and all of it.
And in strenuously defending His Lawreviewness you might notice I've said nothing about nationality or dual citizenship. That has been advanced as one possible explanation for his death grip on those grades. I have taken no position on that aspect of this matter. I just want to see those grades.
It may "speak volumes" to you, but not to me. Defenders of His Transcriptlessness have been waving the bloody shirt of the Law Review for years. Besides, am I wrong, or have I read that unlike other "top editors," he never had any articles published? The issue here is his academic history, which he's traded on significantly for years. Well, let's see the grades. And the LSAT scores and all of it.
And in strenuously defending His Lawreviewness you might notice I've said nothing about nationality or dual citizenship. That has been advanced as one possible explanation for his death grip on those grades. I have taken no position on that aspect of this matter. I just want to see those grades.
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dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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I think the Tea Party has its uses. I seriously do. They used to support a lot of the libertarian causes I support. Unfortunately, the TP was taken over by birthers, Norquist pledge signers, and the queen of them all: Michelle Bachmann. I think their general support of Bachmann was the proof I needed that I abandoned a sinking ship.
I think the Tea Party has its uses. I seriously do. They used to support a lot of the libertarian causes I support. Unfortunately, the TP was taken over by birthers, Norquist pledge signers, and the queen of them all: Michelle Bachmann. I think their general support of Bachmann was the proof I needed that I abandoned a sinking ship.
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I get that. Generally speaking those people aren't, you should pardon the expresion, my cup of tea. Excluding us, however, many of the folks expressing "shock" at the TPers remind me of Claude Rains. However, it is certainly true that perception is the same as reality, and they've got a serious perception problem.
As I've posted numerous times, Michele Bachmann doesn't particularly impress me. In terms of brain power, she strikes me as Joe Kennedy with breasts. On the other hand, we've had posters here who blamed her, personally, for the suicides of some high school kids in her district. Now who's the "extremist" there?
I get that. Generally speaking those people aren't, you should pardon the expresion, my cup of tea. Excluding us, however, many of the folks expressing "shock" at the TPers remind me of Claude Rains. However, it is certainly true that perception is the same as reality, and they've got a serious perception problem.
As I've posted numerous times, Michele Bachmann doesn't particularly impress me. In terms of brain power, she strikes me as Joe Kennedy with breasts. On the other hand, we've had posters here who blamed her, personally, for the suicides of some high school kids in her district. Now who's the "extremist" there?
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Foxton
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If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!
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NBC is reporting it is quite confident that the VP selection is down to 3: Portman, Pawlenty and Ryan. Ryan has blasted out of nowhere to be thrown into the mix. Each has its pros and cons...Portman is actually stiffer than Romney but could be Ohio, Ryan is young/entergetic but has just represented a district, and Pawlenty is pretty charismatic but is yet another unemployed governor. Point is not that their experience is limited (as many future VPs come in with limited experience)...but moreso that it doesn't add much to Romney's experience, which could use it as a single term governor from 5 years ago. And if its Ryan, whether the VP side would overshadow Romney.
In a huge tip...Portman doesn't think he's the guy, said so at a rally and even, discounted himself; which if indiciations are right put Ryan and Pawlenty as looking more likely:
U.S. Sen. Rob Portman, often cited as a possible Mitt Romney running mate, doubts he'll get the call, amid a report Romney could reveal his choice Thursday.
"I just got elected two years ago," Portman, R-Ohio, told a Denver fundraising event Wednesday night, one of five he attended in the battle ground state that day.
"I think that's where I'm going to end up staying," he said when asked his thoughts about possibly leaving the Senate to join the presumptive Republican presidential nominee's ticket.
NBC is reporting it is quite confident that the VP selection is down to 3: Portman, Pawlenty and Ryan. Ryan has blasted out of nowhere to be thrown into the mix. Each has its pros and cons...Portman is actually stiffer than Romney but could be Ohio, Ryan is young/entergetic but has just represented a district, and Pawlenty is pretty charismatic but is yet another unemployed governor. Point is not that their experience is limited (as many future VPs come in with limited experience)...but moreso that it doesn't add much to Romney's experience, which could use it as a single term governor from 5 years ago. And if its Ryan, whether the VP side would overshadow Romney.
In a huge tip...Portman doesn't think he's the guy, said so at a rally and even, discounted himself; which if indiciations are right put Ryan and Pawlenty as looking more likely:
U.S. Sen. Rob Portman, often cited as a possible Mitt Romney running mate, doubts he'll get the call, amid a report Romney could reveal his choice Thursday.
"I just got elected two years ago," Portman, R-Ohio, told a Denver fundraising event Wednesday night, one of five he attended in the battle ground state that day.
"I think that's where I'm going to end up staying," he said when asked his thoughts about possibly leaving the Senate to join the presumptive Republican presidential nominee's ticket.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Part of the problem with both the GOP and Dems is that the old left-right divide doesn't map to reality anymore. There's no reason for poor rural social cons to keep voting for rich urban corporate cons except that's their only hope for social con policies. Likewise, the Dems' forward-looking constituents are continually forced into weird policy gyrations because of their alliance with identity politics dating from the 1960's. There's no reason anymore for liberal meritocrats to keep backing set-asides and quotas that just transfer power and opportunities to privileged members of grievance groups.
I'd rather they were on a different dimension, not "between."
Part of the problem with both the GOP and Dems is that the old left-right divide doesn't map to reality anymore. There's no reason for poor rural social cons to keep voting for rich urban corporate cons except that's their only hope for social con policies. Likewise, the Dems' forward-looking constituents are continually forced into weird policy gyrations because of their alliance with identity politics dating from the 1960's. There's no reason anymore for liberal meritocrats to keep backing set-asides and quotas that just transfer power and opportunities to privileged members of grievance groups.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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I can't help but think politics is at the lowest point in history for the US in terms of partisanship. I know a lot of people will point to the 60s and 70s, but I'd argue that while they were just as hyperpartisan as we are now, they were partisan because they believed in it. A far more respectable position than what we have now.
I can't help but think politics is at the lowest point in history for the US in terms of partisanship. I know a lot of people will point to the 60s and 70s, but I'd argue that while they were just as hyperpartisan as we are now, they were partisan because they believed in it. A far more respectable position than what we have now.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Mixed socialist-capitalist economies are now ubiquitous -- continuing to fight false narratives about "capitalist" vs "socialist" is about as relevant to today's world as arguments about Jeffersonian agrarianism vs Hamiltonian urbanism. That ship has sailed and left our political discourse way behind.
That's why today's partisanship seems so spiteful -- the ideologies and parties for which people are partisan are zombies. People support them so blindly because they are just labels. If they had actual content people would be highly differentiated in choosing what within the parties they were partisan about -- that's what leads to compromise and progress. Instead you get ghastly exhibitions like the GOP literally doing anything to destroy Obama -- even flip flopping on their own policy preferences when his name becomes associated with them.
That's no longer political action in support of ideas; it's just the naked grasping for power. 9% approval ratings follow.
This all seems creepily like the battles between the Optimates (R) and the Populares (D) in the late Roman Republic. Hopefully the analogy doesn't continue to hold.
I think the thing that would shake that up would be the emergence of a genuine post-socialist leftist party. It would look very different from the western European socialist tradition, which is rooted in 19th century concepts. There are interesting developments among middle left parties in the emerging eastern European states that incorporate worker's rights, alliances between rural and urban poor, and reactions against their communist past (for example, religious overtones stressing narratives like taking care of one's neighbor).
Mixed socialist-capitalist economies are now ubiquitous -- continuing to fight false narratives about "capitalist" vs "socialist" is about as relevant to today's world as arguments about Jeffersonian agrarianism vs Hamiltonian urbanism. That ship has sailed and left our political discourse way behind.
That's why today's partisanship seems so spiteful -- the ideologies and parties for which people are partisan are zombies. People support them so blindly because they are just labels. If they had actual content people would be highly differentiated in choosing what within the parties they were partisan about -- that's what leads to compromise and progress. Instead you get ghastly exhibitions like the GOP literally doing anything to destroy Obama -- even flip flopping on their own policy preferences when his name becomes associated with them.
That's no longer political action in support of ideas; it's just the naked grasping for power. 9% approval ratings follow.
This all seems creepily like the battles between the Optimates (R) and the Populares (D) in the late Roman Republic. Hopefully the analogy doesn't continue to hold.
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Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Really? What did they "become"?
Interesting lack of discussion on Obama going right to the gutter. I suppose when you are this blatantly corrupt that is all that's left.
bronconick
Yep, still here
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Willie Horton was a quarter century ago. Head over to Free Republic if you want to whine with fellow right-wingers about the mean old Democrats hitting back this time around.
Willie Horton was a quarter century ago. Head over to Free Republic if you want to whine with fellow right-wingers about the mean old Democrats hitting back this time around.
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According to historians, the period just after Washington was probably even worse, also the period around Andrew Jackson's election. So far, this campaign is still pretty tame compared to the Adams - Jefferson or JQ Adams - Jackson elections!
Apparently the US political scene is sort of like a pendulum over time....sometimes politics is about issues, and sometimes politics is about coalitions of special-interest groups. During the latter period, politics is all about inspiring "your" team and dis-spiriting "their" team. Emotional appeals trump reason...we get brass bands, appeals to "motherhood and apple pie," "Tippecanoe and Tyler too" or "Ma, Ma, where's my Pa?".
Reagan, Bush I, Clinton were mostly about issues ("are you better off today than you were four years ago?" "Morning in America" "Read my lips" "It's the economy stupid"). Bush II's re-election campaign and Obama's first campaign were all about inspiring or deterring voter turn-out ("he stole the Presidency we need to get it back" vs "Swift Boats for Truth" or "Hope and Change you can believe in....[even if there's no substance behind it]").
We have two extremely powerful deep-pocketed coalitions engaged in all-out war to control the government so that they can use it to grow richer, and use the power of government to gain competitive advantage, and they include some of the most amoral, ruthless actors we have in this country:
> on one side, we have public sector unions + trial attorneys + academics + entertainment / media + large corporations with government contracts (except defense). They have been promised plenty of spoils if they back the winner...all this talk about "investment" you hear is code word for "vote for us and we'll reward you big-time, since we'll have more flexibility after the election."
> on the other side, we have defense contractors + midsize and small business and their employees. "government is strangling us with regulation and taxing away the profits we need to grow and expand." The Republicans are very fortunate that the TEA Party decided to take them over rather than remain a third-party or they'd be completely out of luck.
btw, I really am mystified by the animosity of the left toward the TEA Party. You'd think a populist grass-roots movement would be welcome as "little people banding together to fight back against oppression." I guess when other people view YOU as the oppressor you aren't quite as fond of populism?
According to historians, the period just after Washington was probably even worse, also the period around Andrew Jackson's election. So far, this campaign is still pretty tame compared to the Adams - Jefferson or JQ Adams - Jackson elections!
Apparently the US political scene is sort of like a pendulum over time....sometimes politics is about issues, and sometimes politics is about coalitions of special-interest groups. During the latter period, politics is all about inspiring "your" team and dis-spiriting "their" team. Emotional appeals trump reason...we get brass bands, appeals to "motherhood and apple pie," "Tippecanoe and Tyler too" or "Ma, Ma, where's my Pa?".
Reagan, Bush I, Clinton were mostly about issues ("are you better off today than you were four years ago?" "Morning in America" "Read my lips" "It's the economy stupid"). Bush II's re-election campaign and Obama's first campaign were all about inspiring or deterring voter turn-out ("he stole the Presidency we need to get it back" vs "Swift Boats for Truth" or "Hope and Change you can believe in....[even if there's no substance behind it]").
We have two extremely powerful deep-pocketed coalitions engaged in all-out war to control the government so that they can use it to grow richer, and use the power of government to gain competitive advantage, and they include some of the most amoral, ruthless actors we have in this country:
> on one side, we have public sector unions + trial attorneys + academics + entertainment / media + large corporations with government contracts (except defense). They have been promised plenty of spoils if they back the winner...all this talk about "investment" you hear is code word for "vote for us and we'll reward you big-time, since we'll have more flexibility after the election."
> on the other side, we have defense contractors + midsize and small business and their employees. "government is strangling us with regulation and taxing away the profits we need to grow and expand." The Republicans are very fortunate that the TEA Party decided to take them over rather than remain a third-party or they'd be completely out of luck.
btw, I really am mystified by the animosity of the left toward the TEA Party. You'd think a populist grass-roots movement would be welcome as "little people banding together to fight back against oppression." I guess when other people view YOU as the oppressor you aren't quite as fond of populism?
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The rich urban corporate folk are mostly in the Democrat camp these days...see GE and Immelt, or Buffett and BH, or Corzine or plenty of other examples. The rich corporate folk figured out early that corporate welfare has broad bi-partisan appeal, look at how telecon companies spend more money lobbying the government than they do on R & D for example.
The rich urban corporate folk are mostly in the Democrat camp these days...see GE and Immelt, or Buffett and BH, or Corzine or plenty of other examples. The rich corporate folk figured out early that corporate welfare has broad bi-partisan appeal, look at how telecon companies spend more money lobbying the government than they do on R & D for example.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
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Ryan would allow a real contrast cause the Ryan budget would be a large part of the debate. Rachel Maddow suggested Liz Cheney be selected. I can't disagree. Liz is a true representative of the GOP's values. And with Romney representing their sell out to the wealthy they would offer a very balanced ticket.
Ryan would allow a real contrast cause the Ryan budget would be a large part of the debate. Rachel Maddow suggested Liz Cheney be selected. I can't disagree. Liz is a true representative of the GOP's values. And with Romney representing their sell out to the wealthy they would offer a very balanced ticket.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Now, as opposed to the 60s & 70s, it is a huge business that is making many people wealthy.
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No one is saying "taxes should be cut" people are actually saying that lower rates plus fewer deductions would in the short run be revenue-neutral (NOT "cut") while in the long run, a more rational tax system would promote economic growth because people would focus on substance over chasing deductions solely for tax reasons.
Also, have you ever had an addict in your family? if you have, you'd know you don't give them any money until after they get treatment for their addiction. Our government, with its 47 jobs programs, agricultural subsidies left and right, and plenty of other areas, is highly addicted to pork. It's very reasonable to insist first on fiscal prudence on the spending side, otherwise any additional revenue also will be wasted, just like so much of current revenue is.
Why do lawyers use structured settlements? so their clients don't blow their entire award at once, no? same concept: you don't give a junkie a chance to blow it all wastefully until s/he cleans up her act first.
No one is saying "taxes should be cut" people are actually saying that lower rates plus fewer deductions would in the short run be revenue-neutral (NOT "cut") while in the long run, a more rational tax system would promote economic growth because people would focus on substance over chasing deductions solely for tax reasons.
Also, have you ever had an addict in your family? if you have, you'd know you don't give them any money until after they get treatment for their addiction. Our government, with its 47 jobs programs, agricultural subsidies left and right, and plenty of other areas, is highly addicted to pork. It's very reasonable to insist first on fiscal prudence on the spending side, otherwise any additional revenue also will be wasted, just like so much of current revenue is.
Why do lawyers use structured settlements? so their clients don't blow their entire award at once, no? same concept: you don't give a junkie a chance to blow it all wastefully until s/he cleans up her act first.
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