Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
I was being sarcastic, parodying Harry Reid....too subtle?
I was being sarcastic, parodying Harry Reid....too subtle?
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Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
Tea Pot Dome was in 1922. Yazoo River was in 1803.
Twas ever thus.
As much as I rail against the current plutocracy (run by both parties), I'm pretty sure it was always like that.
Tea Pot Dome was in 1922. Yazoo River was in 1803.
Twas ever thus.
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I said months ago Romney should go with Ryan. He's going to be tagged with the generational warfare that his budget requires anyway, so why not go all in? Aside from Rubio there's no other logical choice. Pawlenty adds nothing, Portman was Bush's budget direct for chrissakes. Let Ryan campaign on his plan and hope that all the people under 55 who will be taking it in the shorts under his budget don't show up and vote this year while the mostly Baby Boomer types who are getting a free ride turn out in droves. Yes, its a electoral gameplan from prior decades but maybe it works.
I said months ago Romney should go with Ryan. He's going to be tagged with the generational warfare that his budget requires anyway, so why not go all in? Aside from Rubio there's no other logical choice. Pawlenty adds nothing, Portman was Bush's budget direct for chrissakes. Let Ryan campaign on his plan and hope that all the people under 55 who will be taking it in the shorts under his budget don't show up and vote this year while the mostly Baby Boomer types who are getting a free ride turn out in droves. Yes, its a electoral gameplan from prior decades but maybe it works.
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That's my favorite part of Ryan's plan. Baby Boomers get it all and everyone else takes it right up the ***.
That's my favorite part of Ryan's plan. Baby Boomers get it all and everyone else takes it right up the ***.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Romney now has no policy specifics at all, he runs away from any statement. Tying himself explicitly to Ryan would be tying himself to a whole raft of explicit proposals. It would be about as close to a "declarations of principles" as we're ever likely to see from Romney.
Obama has a very good ad out where he simply states his economic strategy of pragmatism against the radical strategy of 19th century robber baronism. Romney needs a substantive rejoinder. It would be better if he actually made one, but since that's not in his makeup picking Ryan, who presumably would defend his proposal and the logic behind it, would be a positive step.
That's true; it would add a lot of substance.
Romney now has no policy specifics at all, he runs away from any statement. Tying himself explicitly to Ryan would be tying himself to a whole raft of explicit proposals. It would be about as close to a "declarations of principles" as we're ever likely to see from Romney.
Obama has a very good ad out where he simply states his economic strategy of pragmatism against the radical strategy of 19th century robber baronism. Romney needs a substantive rejoinder. It would be better if he actually made one, but since that's not in his makeup picking Ryan, who presumably would defend his proposal and the logic behind it, would be a positive step.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Elections 2012 -- Carrion My Wayward Son!
At their best the right tells the country the spending holiday has to end. At their best the left tells the country the tax holiday has to end. Right now we're not getting either side's best, so the electorate views both sides as hypocritical opportunists on the budget. We learned with Mondale that neither side can unilaterally be adults -- the country will stick its fingers in their ears and vote for the avuncular guy who promises rainbows and lollipops. But we learned with Clinton that if both sides take a bullet progress can be made.
Question is, can Obama and the few adults left in the GOP build on Simpson-Bowles?
That might work once, but as a long-term electoral strategy for the GOP it's terrible.
At their best the right tells the country the spending holiday has to end. At their best the left tells the country the tax holiday has to end. Right now we're not getting either side's best, so the electorate views both sides as hypocritical opportunists on the budget. We learned with Mondale that neither side can unilaterally be adults -- the country will stick its fingers in their ears and vote for the avuncular guy who promises rainbows and lollipops. But we learned with Clinton that if both sides take a bullet progress can be made.
Question is, can Obama and the few adults left in the GOP build on Simpson-Bowles?
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Ha. I'll chalk it up to the fact that I've seen so much derp like that (and worse) spewed without a tongue in cheek that I assumed the worst. Mea culpa.
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This is an example of American political mythology. It's libstains who are STILL complaining about "Willie Horton" and wave him around like a bloody shirt to justify their own excesses. Currently, we have a candidate whose campaign or its surrogates have referred to their opponant as a "vampire," "felon," "tax cheat," and now "murderer." You call that "hitting back?" It's a bit more, don't you think?
As Governor of MA, Dukakis vetoed a bill that would have ended the furlough program which put a convicted murderer like Horton out on the street. He didn't start the program, to be sure. But vetoing that attempt to end it, made the program little Mikey's personal property. A point Bob Beckel has made many times. Willie Horton was fair comment. I'm not entirely sure "Romney killed my wife" is in the same category. Especially since it turns out the lady had her own health insurance. And became ill about six years after her husband's employer went belly up.
His Newtoneness is apparantly emulating LBJ's '64 campaign. And it may work, who knows?
This is an example of American political mythology. It's libstains who are STILL complaining about "Willie Horton" and wave him around like a bloody shirt to justify their own excesses. Currently, we have a candidate whose campaign or its surrogates have referred to their opponant as a "vampire," "felon," "tax cheat," and now "murderer." You call that "hitting back?" It's a bit more, don't you think?
As Governor of MA, Dukakis vetoed a bill that would have ended the furlough program which put a convicted murderer like Horton out on the street. He didn't start the program, to be sure. But vetoing that attempt to end it, made the program little Mikey's personal property. A point Bob Beckel has made many times. Willie Horton was fair comment. I'm not entirely sure "Romney killed my wife" is in the same category. Especially since it turns out the lady had her own health insurance. And became ill about six years after her husband's employer went belly up.
His Newtoneness is apparantly emulating LBJ's '64 campaign. And it may work, who knows?
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Here is where your slavish devotion to all things GOP blinds you to racism. Going after Willie Horton as an issue wasn't unfair in of itself. Nor was a commerical showing a revolving door at prison. The problem is when of all the "prisoners" being shown, only the black guy looks up at the camera with a menancing look. That's code and its pretty obvious what was going on, so much so that some Republican operatives raised concerns about it to Atwater before it aired. So, unless you're a total idiot who believes a guy like Lee Atwater would never engage in campaign tactics like this, the implication is pretty clear. I'll also answer your Al Gore rejoiner now, as Gore never ran a campaign ad with a blatantly racist theme.
Here is where your slavish devotion to all things GOP blinds you to racism. Going after Willie Horton as an issue wasn't unfair in of itself. Nor was a commerical showing a revolving door at prison. The problem is when of all the "prisoners" being shown, only the black guy looks up at the camera with a menancing look. That's code and its pretty obvious what was going on, so much so that some Republican operatives raised concerns about it to Atwater before it aired. So, unless you're a total idiot who believes a guy like Lee Atwater would never engage in campaign tactics like this, the implication is pretty clear. I'll also answer your Al Gore rejoiner now, as Gore never ran a campaign ad with a blatantly racist theme.
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You used to make some amount of sense sometimes. Now you're just rabid partisanship right down the line.
Your thinking on the national debt issue is really deep, eh?
You used to make some amount of sense sometimes. Now you're just rabid partisanship right down the line.
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My optimism for a reasonable deal in the event of an Obama re-election is because people tend to get more flexible when they know they're leaving Congress either by retirement or if they get defeated. So, Snowe, Webb, Lugar, Nelson, etc can form a crucial bloc in a compromise. The other thing to remember is that tax hikes and military spending cuts go into effect automatically if gridlock prevents any action being taken, so the onus is on the GOP to reach some sort of deal. Obama's not running again so he can afford to hold out.
My optimism for a reasonable deal in the event of an Obama re-election is because people tend to get more flexible when they know they're leaving Congress either by retirement or if they get defeated. So, Snowe, Webb, Lugar, Nelson, etc can form a crucial bloc in a compromise. The other thing to remember is that tax hikes and military spending cuts go into effect automatically if gridlock prevents any action being taken, so the onus is on the GOP to reach some sort of deal. Obama's not running again so he can afford to hold out.
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So you realize we have a progressive marginal rate, right? When rich people's share of income increases faster than the entire populations, it would be expected that their share of the tax burden would increase at a faster pace. Every additional dollar they earn would be taxed at the top marginal rate, while additional dollars earned by lower income groups would be taxed at a lower marginal rate. Their share of tax burden is increasing exactly as it should when their share or income rises, it is not because the rich are getting screwed.
some more empirical data from the Congressional Budget Office....
So the share of federal taxes paid by the rich has generally been increasing, while the share of federal taxes on the poor has been declining.
BUT NOT ENOUGH, right guys?
but guess what.....if you taxed the rich at 100%, you still don't have enough revenue to fund Obama's grandiose "investments" he's promising everyone....and interest on the national debt is deceptively low, giving us way way way too much compacency about the true magnitude of the deficit.....so where will that money come from?
Hmm....if the rich don't have enough, and the poor can't be asked for more....who's left to pick up the tab?
Sorry, Scooby, you can't blame this mess on the Boomers, it wasn't them that voted in favor of Obamanomics.....
So you realize we have a progressive marginal rate, right? When rich people's share of income increases faster than the entire populations, it would be expected that their share of the tax burden would increase at a faster pace. Every additional dollar they earn would be taxed at the top marginal rate, while additional dollars earned by lower income groups would be taxed at a lower marginal rate. Their share of tax burden is increasing exactly as it should when their share or income rises, it is not because the rich are getting screwed.
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links are helpful for these kinds of comments. I miss Priceless.
Anyone see Colbert on how to influence the GOP vice-presidential choice? Hilarious!
links are helpful for these kinds of comments. I miss Priceless.
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Who said the rich are "getting screwed"?
Except for that, we both said the same thing in different words, no?
The perverse question is "what is 'fair'?". So far, the Democrat answer is like Billy Idol's Rebel Yell: "More, more, more."
Why is this even a major campaign topic when there are so many other, far more serious, problems to address?
Why are we pitting neighbor against neighbor when the situation cries out desperately for co-operation and shared responsibility?
Who said the rich are "getting screwed"?
Except for that, we both said the same thing in different words, no?
The perverse question is "what is 'fair'?". So far, the Democrat answer is like Billy Idol's Rebel Yell: "More, more, more."
Why is this even a major campaign topic when there are so many other, far more serious, problems to address?
Why are we pitting neighbor against neighbor when the situation cries out desperately for co-operation and shared responsibility?
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In what looks like an endorsement...WSJ put in a glowing op'ed piece on Ryan (discounting Pawlenty, Portman and Rubio). It is probably the best play as its a swing for the fences. But will it help him govern more effectively as (correct me if I'm wrong but) Ryans skill set is kind of as a financial numbers guy...the place where Romney is just fine. But more importantly will it bring him Ohio?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...7577190186374230.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
In what looks like an endorsement...WSJ put in a glowing op'ed piece on Ryan (discounting Pawlenty, Portman and Rubio). It is probably the best play as its a swing for the fences. But will it help him govern more effectively as (correct me if I'm wrong but) Ryans skill set is kind of as a financial numbers guy...the place where Romney is just fine. But more importantly will it bring him Ohio?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...7577190186374230.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
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I don't know Fishy, why does the Ryan budget do that? Make sure you let us know when he gets back to you.
I don't know Fishy, why does the Ryan budget do that? Make sure you let us know when he gets back to you.
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Can you explain to me what you mean? Also, why are you asking me to defend Ryan's budget? I'm not supporting either party in this election.
Obama's policy of spend borrow spend more borrow more won't work; however the Republicans have not (yet?) advanced a credible alternative either.
You seem to think that everyone "has to be" on one side or the other?? There is such a thing as a "third way" you know....
Can you explain to me what you mean? Also, why are you asking me to defend Ryan's budget? I'm not supporting either party in this election.
Obama's policy of spend borrow spend more borrow more won't work; however the Republicans have not (yet?) advanced a credible alternative either.
You seem to think that everyone "has to be" on one side or the other??
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Like I said, decades later and libstains are STILL whining about Willie Horton, and counting the number of minorities in the spot (and their facial expressions). Atwater's also been dead for years. And you're STILL whining about him, too. But let's talk about THIS year's election, shall we? Like the man said, politics ain't beanbag. And if His Newtoneness wants to run spots accusing Romney of murder, that's his privilege. But it does tend to demonstrate the weakness of his case for re-election. Doesn't it? The risk he runs is by driving up Romney's negatives, he drives up his own, losing that "nice guy" image that's helped him in the polls. I would also have thought His Hopeychangeyness would have set a higher standard than what the bad old GOP did many years ago.
As to racism, His Panderness and his dummy AG have set new standards there that you've evidently missed. I'm not surprised. After all "racisim" is the one size fits all, never lets us down accusation. Isn't it? Of course, when His Panderness poses with and puts his arm around Sharpton, THAT's not racism. Firing up his most loyal constituency is also part of the game. But let's not confuse this cheap Chicago politician with Ralph Bunche.
I see where Al Gore is going to lend his expertise to the convention coverage of a network that nobody watches or cares about. Must miss TV.
Like I said, decades later and libstains are STILL whining about Willie Horton, and counting the number of minorities in the spot (and their facial expressions). Atwater's also been dead for years. And you're STILL whining about him, too. But let's talk about THIS year's election, shall we? Like the man said, politics ain't beanbag. And if His Newtoneness wants to run spots accusing Romney of murder, that's his privilege. But it does tend to demonstrate the weakness of his case for re-election. Doesn't it? The risk he runs is by driving up Romney's negatives, he drives up his own, losing that "nice guy" image that's helped him in the polls. I would also have thought His Hopeychangeyness would have set a higher standard than what the bad old GOP did many years ago.
As to racism, His Panderness and his dummy AG have set new standards there that you've evidently missed. I'm not surprised. After all "racisim" is the one size fits all, never lets us down accusation. Isn't it? Of course, when His Panderness poses with and puts his arm around Sharpton, THAT's not racism. Firing up his most loyal constituency is also part of the game. But let's not confuse this cheap Chicago politician with Ralph Bunche.
I see where Al Gore is going to lend his expertise to the convention coverage of a network that nobody watches or cares about. Must miss TV.
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