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EC will be fine
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hockeylongtimer
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Re: EC will be fine
CAPS are so some of us old guys can read the fine print ..nothing else intended ..btw who set the rules re using CAPS ..must have been someone with too much time on their HANDS..lol
CAPS are so some of us old guys can read the fine print ..nothing else intended ..btw who set the rules re using CAPS ..must have been someone with too much time on their HANDS..lol
valliant defender
New member
Re: EC will be fine
WOW! I like M'Ville's .740 18-6-1 record versus EC'S .700 17-7-1 record heading into the ECAC -W playoffs. GO M'VILLE!!!!!!!
WOW! I like M'Ville's .740 18-6-1 record versus EC'S .700 17-7-1 record heading into the ECAC -W playoffs. GO M'VILLE!!!!!!!
CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
Nate LePage, Siena '13
collegehcky2
Vinegar Strokes
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: EC will be fine
2-1 head to head my friend and much stronger SOS.
The ECAC West and Pool B bid are simple.
Whoever goes the farthest between Manhattanville and Elmira in the ECAC W tourney will get the bid and that is their only chance at getting in the tournament. Neither of them will win a Pool C.
I do not believe Neumann or Hobart can get the Pool B bid regardless of how well they do in the tournament.
2-1 head to head my friend and much stronger SOS.
The ECAC West and Pool B bid are simple.
Whoever goes the farthest between Manhattanville and Elmira in the ECAC W tourney will get the bid and that is their only chance at getting in the tournament. Neither of them will win a Pool C.
I do not believe Neumann or Hobart can get the Pool B bid regardless of how well they do in the tournament.
Matt Rennell
Migrating to d3hockey.com
Re: EC will be fine
Don't be so sure of that. Just to give you an example. If Neumann wins the ECAC West title by defeating Elmira and Manhattanville, here would be the following numbers
Records:
Elmira: 16-8-1
Manhattanville: 18-7-1
Neumann: 17-8-3
Record vs. Ranked teams:
Elmira: 5-6-1
Manhattanville: 2-6-1
Neumann: 5-2-1
Head to Head:
Neumann and Elmira split 2-2-0
Neumann would edge Mville 2-1-1.
Common Opps.
Neumann: 11-6-3 to Elmira's 13-3-0
Neumann: 14-5-2 to Mville's 13-4-0
SOS
Elmira would edge out both Mville and Neumann here, but Neumann's would improve quite a bit after playing Elmira and Mville.
Combine the fact that the ECAC West Champion has never been left out of the field. (Yes, I know that is supposed to be irrelevant as far as criteria goes, but let's not be naive).
Just sayin, don't count your chickens quite yet.
Don't be so sure of that. Just to give you an example. If Neumann wins the ECAC West title by defeating Elmira and Manhattanville, here would be the following numbers
Records:
Elmira: 16-8-1
Manhattanville: 18-7-1
Neumann: 17-8-3
Record vs. Ranked teams:
Elmira: 5-6-1
Manhattanville: 2-6-1
Neumann: 5-2-1
Head to Head:
Neumann and Elmira split 2-2-0
Neumann would edge Mville 2-1-1.
Common Opps.
Neumann: 11-6-3 to Elmira's 13-3-0
Neumann: 14-5-2 to Mville's 13-4-0
SOS
Elmira would edge out both Mville and Neumann here, but Neumann's would improve quite a bit after playing Elmira and Mville.
Combine the fact that the ECAC West Champion has never been left out of the field. (Yes, I know that is supposed to be irrelevant as far as criteria goes, but let's not be naive).
Just sayin, don't count your chickens quite yet.
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Re: EC will be fine
Let's worry about one game at a time. First we have to beat the winner of Neumann/Utica
FACT! EC is having a terrible time taking care of business right now, remember, the difference in the win Friday was a shorty goal, something we are good at giving up. We are 1/5 in last 5 games, there is definitely something not going right, it has to be fixed.
Let's worry about one game at a time. First we have to beat the winner of Neumann/Utica
FACT! EC is having a terrible time taking care of business right now, remember, the difference in the win Friday was a shorty goal, something we are good at giving up. We are 1/5 in last 5 games, there is definitely something not going right, it has to be fixed.
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norm1909
Larry Normandin
Re: EC will be fine
Don't forget, EC successfully defeated fellow conference powerhouse Lebanon Valley THREE times, the 13-10-2 Milwaukee S. E., as well as defeating SUNYAC powerhouse Cortland and split with SUNYAC's awe inspiring Morrisville. Clearly, after considering Oswego only out scored them 8-4, and giving up only two short handed goals to Fredonia (while needing only three power play goals to win), Elmira must be a top contender for a pool C bid
Matt,
EC would actually be 17-8-1!
Don't forget, EC successfully defeated fellow conference powerhouse Lebanon Valley THREE times, the 13-10-2 Milwaukee S. E., as well as defeating SUNYAC powerhouse Cortland and split with SUNYAC's awe inspiring Morrisville. Clearly, after considering Oswego only out scored them 8-4, and giving up only two short handed goals to Fredonia (while needing only three power play goals to win), Elmira must be a top contender for a pool C bid
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norm1909
Larry Normandin
Re: EC will be fine
I am just teasing, DA style (devil’s advocate), Elmira will be fine; they are fine this year, especially considering the coaching changes. Aaron Saul, IMO was the perfect choice, but nevertheless, it came late in the year, with inherent issues, relocation, the players were already in place (i.e. recruited by someone else), etc. Elmira will be fine, and IMO, will be only getting better.
btw - You are correct they currently ARE 17-7-1, hense can't finish 16-anything.
Who was talking about a pool c bid?
I am just teasing, DA style (devil’s advocate), Elmira will be fine; they are fine this year, especially considering the coaching changes. Aaron Saul, IMO was the perfect choice, but nevertheless, it came late in the year, with inherent issues, relocation, the players were already in place (i.e. recruited by someone else), etc. Elmira will be fine, and IMO, will be only getting better.
btw - You are correct they currently ARE 17-7-1, hense can't finish 16-anything.
EaglesNest
Registered User
Re: EC will be fine
Can someone explain the goal that manhattanville got lastnight?
Goal Interference? Did the penalty happen after the puck when in the net?
Can someone explain the goal that manhattanville got lastnight?
Goal Interference? Did the penalty happen after the puck when in the net?
Matt Rennell
Migrating to d3hockey.com
Re: EC will be fine
Actually, they are 16-7-1 because the MSOE game does not count for NCAA purposes.
Actually, they are 16-7-1 because the MSOE game does not count for NCAA purposes.
Matt Rennell
Migrating to d3hockey.com
Re: EC will be fine
Not as far as the NCAA is concerned.
Matt,
EC would actually be 17-8-1!
Not as far as the NCAA is concerned.
norm1909
Larry Normandin
Re: EC will be fine
The NCCA recognizes their overall record as 17-7-1, except for Exhibition Games; the NCAA recognizes all DIII games, counting them toward Primary Criteria aside (i.e. only In-region results).
The NCCA recognizes their overall record as 17-7-1, except for Exhibition Games; the NCAA recognizes all DIII games, counting them toward Primary Criteria aside (i.e. only In-region results).
Matt Rennell
Migrating to d3hockey.com
Re: EC will be fine
Yes, only in a case where Secondary Criteria needs to be used. It is not included in the primary criteria. In the case where they would need secondary criteria, then the game is factored into the numbers. However, a game against MSOE isn't exactly something that will tip the scales one way or another.
If this scenario plays out, expect the records in the last 25% of the season to open a few eyes.
Last 25% of season in this scenario
Elmira: 2-5-0
Manhattanville: 4-2-1
Neumann: 6-0-1
Yes, only in a case where Secondary Criteria needs to be used. It is not included in the primary criteria. In the case where they would need secondary criteria, then the game is factored into the numbers. However, a game against MSOE isn't exactly something that will tip the scales one way or another.
If this scenario plays out, expect the records in the last 25% of the season to open a few eyes.
Last 25% of season in this scenario
Elmira: 2-5-0
Manhattanville: 4-2-1
Neumann: 6-0-1
norm1909
Larry Normandin
Re: EC will be fine
Ahh, Janet Jackson Syndrome and why, IMO, EC will be fine - next season, at least playoff wise. As for this season - all things considered, they did very fine
Ahh, Janet Jackson Syndrome and why, IMO, EC will be fine - next season, at least playoff wise. As for this season - all things considered, they did very fine
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college hockey 01
Registered User
Re: EC will be fine
EC better start putting the puck in the net. The entire year they have been far more aggressive offensively than years past. The last few games they have gone right back to not being able clear the puck out of there zone therefore not being able to setup decent scoring opportunities. Recently, their lack of intensity is also a major problem and is starting to catch up with them. These are great athletes and have proved they can play and beat anyone. Come on guys go out with a bang for some of you this may be the last time you play hockey. You have great fan support go out on a great note!
EC better start putting the puck in the net. The entire year they have been far more aggressive offensively than years past. The last few games they have gone right back to not being able clear the puck out of there zone therefore not being able to setup decent scoring opportunities. Recently, their lack of intensity is also a major problem and is starting to catch up with them. These are great athletes and have proved they can play and beat anyone. Come on guys go out with a bang for some of you this may be the last time you play hockey. You have great fan support go out on a great note!
EaglesNest
Registered User
Re: EC will be fine
I agree. you cant win if you cant score. I feel the defense is ok, better, but we gotta put the puck in the net.
I agree. you cant win if you cant score. I feel the defense is ok, better, but we gotta put the puck in the net.