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Dump Term 2, 1.01: Sleep Now in the Fire

I cannot believe that they have completely destroyed the United States in two months. But here we are.

No one wants to go to school here.
No one wants to work here.
No one wants to travel here.
No one wants to do business here.

It's all gone. All of it.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
I cannot believe that they have completely destroyed the United States in two months. But here we are.

No one wants to go to school here.
No one wants to work here.
No one wants to travel here.
No one wants to do business here.

It's all gone. All of it.
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No one wants to buy our goods
No one wants to buy our debt.

We are on the path to be coming a third world country. Take the deepest, most poverty ridden stretch of bumbfuck Alabama and spread that over the entire country.

Trailer Park USA.
 
One of the most contagious diseases on the planet that kills hundreds of thousands of people every year is harmless, y’all! I wonder what makes it harmless to most people in the United States, to the point it was considered eradicated. I just can’t imagine…
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I believe in the superior efficiency of the free market to determine consumer demand and market supply, while also recognizing and acknowledging that substantially higher taxes and regulations are necessary to build & sustain public infrastructure and protect the average person from being defrauded and/or exploited. Because let's face it, many people are assholes who will screw anyone and everyone over to make an extra dollar.
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Agreed. The back and forth between supposed leftists and supposed liberals is so exhausting. You're on the same team morons. And neither provide useful answers.

I'm with you. I would prefer a system where we don't need to use litmus tests and we actually take action to right the wrongs. Capitalism isn't the problem, it's the lack of guardrails. Driving is good, but without lines it's bad. It's not less efficient to drive between the lines and it's certainly better than walking.
 
psych said:
One of the most contagious diseases on the planet that kills hundreds of thousands of people every year is harmless, y’all! I wonder what makes it harmless to most people in the United States, to the point it was considered eradicated. I just can’t imagine…
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Come on now. I never heard of anyone around here dying of it growing up, and now we're supposed to believe two kids died of it. I mean, it's not like they removed some important item from the equation or something.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Agreed. The back and forth between supposed leftists and supposed liberals is so exhausting. You're on the same team morons. And neither provide useful answers.

I'm with you. I would prefer a system where we don't need to use litmus tests and we actually take action to right the wrongs. Capitalism isn't the problem, it's the lack of guardrails. Driving is good, but without lines it's bad. It's not less efficient to drive between the lines and it's certainly better than walking.
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No Capitalism is the problem because it only works when greed is not factored in. All the best parts of this country are not capitalistic, they are socialistic. You might not like that, but it's hard to argue against it.

Guard rails are a red herring. Regulation is only there to curb the elephant in the room...greed. And btw it doesn't even do that well. Guard rails are like TSA...they make things "feel" fair and safe but in reality changes nothing. The wealth gap doesn't disappear under Democrats (who regulate and strengthen Guard rails) and poverty isn't solved...

No only one thing fixes capitalism and that is massive taxation and distribution of basic needs to everyone. Health care for all, UBI, livable wages, union protection, Social Security...etc. All the things Socialist societies have. (Well not UBI yet) You set that baseline and maybe capitalism can work with strong guard rails. But as long as people are always out to maximize everything no guard rail will be able to protect us because half the country thinks they can be the next billionaire.

Basically capitalism woukd be great if not for the people ;)
 
Handyman said:
No Capitalism is the problem because it only works when greed is not factored in. All the best parts of this country are not capitalistic, they are socialistic. You might not like that, but it's hard to argue against it.

Guard rails are a red herring. Regulation is only there to curb the elephant in the room...greed. And btw it doesn't even do that well. Guard rails are like TSA...they make things "feel" fair and safe but in reality changes nothing. The wealth gap doesn't disappear under Democrats (who regulate and strengthen Guard rails) and poverty isn't solved...

No only one thing fixes capitalism and that is massive taxation and distribution of basic needs to everyone. Health care for all, UBI, livable wages, union protection, Social Security...etc. All the things Socialist societies have. (Well not UBI yet) You set that baseline and maybe capitalism can work with strong guard rails. But as long as people are always out to maximize everything no guard rail will be able to protect us because half the country thinks they can be the next billionaire.

Basically capitalism woukd be great if not for the people ;)
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Capitalism doesn’t work because it requires infinite growth, something that is impossible, to feed the greed of the holders of capital aka the wealthy.

And by it’s nature, a free market with guardrails is not a free market.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Agreed. The back and forth between supposed leftists and supposed liberals is so exhausting. You're on the same team morons. And neither provide useful answers.

I'm with you. I would prefer a system where we don't need to use litmus tests and we actually take action to right the wrongs. Capitalism isn't the problem, it's the lack of guardrails. Driving is good, but without lines it's bad. It's not less efficient to drive between the lines and it's certainly better than walking.
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I know I rib Kepler constantly, which he rightly ignores, but I’m in agreement with him, and you, and anyone else that says we’re all in this together against fascism. Left, liberal, center, anti-Trump conservative, who the fuck cares at this point. Beat back fascism, if that’s even possible at this point, and we can go back to sniping each other once (if) democracy is restored.

Capitalism is fine. Put the guardrails back on. I don’t give a fuck if I’m a millionaire or billionaire. I just want to afford my bills, have a nice thing or two, and take a vacation. I don’t hate millionaires or billionaires. I just want them to pay their fair share in taxes to help keep society/government functioning for the common good, and to help the truly destitute.
 
Capitalism is working fine in Western Europe, no? The Dutch, the Danes, the Germans, etc. I am not a worldly traveler, nor have I lived anywhere but here, but they seem to have figured out the somewhat delicate balance of capitalism/a functioning government that provides for most of its citizens.
 
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