Dump Term 2, 1.01: Sleep Now in the Fire

[ScoobyDoo]

Social Security is formulating plans to fire HALF its staff, probably by the end of the week. From Reddit:February 25, 2025On a 3pm EST call this afternoon the ACOSS told the DCs/execs that he wanted a plan to cut 50% of ALL staff, including frontline staff, to him by tomorrow afternoon.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

It sure has.

Its one of the big things that irk me about Conservatives, is they aren't in the least bit concerned with conserving nature.

This is what has always confused me recently. Hunters used to go hand in hand with protecting the wilderness, for obvious reasons. Teddy Roosevelt being the prime example. But now they are so bent out of false shape over the second amendment, they have totally lost the plot. (And refusing to accept climate change which will also destroy their hunting grounds.)

 

[RaceBoarder]

This is what has always confused me recently. Hunters used to go hand in hand with protecting the wilderness, for obvious reasons. Teddy Roosevelt being the prime example. But now they are so bent out of false shape over the second amendment, they have totally lost the plot. (And refusing to accept climate change which will also destroy their hunting grounds.)

This crosses over with many outdoors people being a combo of extremely "Anti-government" and "Anti-science/knowlege".

They all think that every DNR is run by idiots and that a single law/regulation/management strategy in their lifetime has been a success. They all know exactly how to fix it and exactly what is wrong with the status quo.

I can give 100s of examples on how the rank and file don't have the slightest grip on reality with this stuff.

 

[RaceBoarder]

It sure has.

Its one of the big things that irk me about Conservatives, is they aren't in the least bit concerned with conserving nature.

Christ, even Doug Burgum twisted Teddy Roosevelts words by saying that using the national park lands for farming, ranching, mining, and other land use is what Teddy would have wanted.

If there was a God, he'd have zombie Teddy Roosevelt beat every "conservatives" ass with a stick.


We all have that one hill we would absolutely die upon, and mine is protecting (and growing) the national park land.

If you want a laugh, go read the comments on TV6's Facebook post about DOGE cutting 13 USFW jobs in the U.P. mainly centered around Lake Trout management.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

If they're axing USFW (and there's no reason to think Musk won't), there goes my SIL's job. She has a PhD in genetics and could've made more in the private sector for the last 10+ years, but chose public service. And for what now?

 

[Handyman]

Social Security is formulating plans to fire HALF its staff, probably by the end of the week. From Reddit:February 25, 2025On a 3pm EST call this afternoon the ACOSS told the DCs/execs that he wanted a plan to cut 50% of ALL staff, including frontline staff, to him by tomorrow afternoon.

Only half? Im surprised...

 

[Proud2baLaker]

This crosses over with many outdoors people being a combo of extremely "Anti-government" and "Anti-science/knowlege".

They all think that every DNR is run by idiots and that a single law/regulation/management strategy in their lifetime has been a success. They all know exactly how to fix it and exactly what is wrong with the status quo.

I can give 100s of examples on how the rank and file don't have the slightest grip on reality with this stuff.

I'm in private sector fisheries and we do a TON of partnership work with state and federal folks. Lots of research to benefit all fisheries as a whole. Some of the projects we were planning, or even in the middle of have been terminated due to funding being suddenly cut. Others, thankfully, haven't been given the axe yet but we are keeping a close eye on them. One that I am working on with NOAA could be an absolute game changer for the aquaculture industry for the better (both from a science standpoint and an economic one).

The amount of misinformation and just complete misunderstanding of anything science among the fishermen (and many non-fishermen) is mind boggling at times. I frequent various fishing related forums and these guys are all experts because they do a little fishing on the weekends and maybe used to read In-Fishermen in the waiting room at the oil change place. At almost every conference I have attended, there is almost always a symposium or round-table on how to combat this but anymore these days, I am not sure you can. So many people will just choose to believe what they want to believe and that is that.

It has not been uncommon out here to see fishermen demand that Fish and Game do X about problem Y. Fish and Game will say "listen, X will NOT work, please believe us". But fishermen will continue to demand X. So F&G does X and of course it makes things worse. Then fishermen start screaming "why did you do X and ruin everything?!?!?" Or similar F&G will say, "we need to do X to stop bad thing Y from happening" and fisherman will scream "NO DONT DO X THAT WILL RUIN IT!" So F&G doesn't do X to keep them happy. Then bad thing Y happens and the fishermen will scream "WHY DIDN'T YOU DO X TO STOP THIS!!!" I really admire the patience that some of the folks working in that public sector have. Similar story on the wildlife management side as well.

 

[aparch]

If you want a laugh, go read the comments on TV6's Facebook post about DOGE cutting 13 USFW jobs in the U.P. mainly centered around Lake Trout management.

I did and I was hurt by the complete ineptitude by some of the commenter's. "Good, they were new and didn't know anything." Despite being tenured staff recently promoted hence the probationary status. The sheer ignorance is so frustrating.

 

[Scarlet]

In measles outbreak news, the first child to die of measles died in Texas.

 

[Proud2baLaker]

I’m seeing the “sell national parks” popping up more now.

I’ve always assumed that’s the plan

And then BLM and other public land. I have a coworker who claims to be middle of the road (despite the fact that he voted from the orange sack of crap multiple times and can only point to 1 vote for democrat in the 10 years I've know him). He is a big time hunter and dirt bike trail rider. I told him if he wanted to keep doing that, a vote for the orange guy was not a good idea and that he needed to look up project 2025. Told him what it was and that public land would not be safe. He gave me a "well I don't know, I haven't heard of that". And I am pretty sure he bought the lie that the orange turd didn't know anything about it either. I know for sure he never actually researched it.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Americans are dumb. Dumb dumb dumb.

Watching Orange Clown sitting at the head of the cabinet meeting of morons and I just want to power vomit.

 

[RaceBoarder]

I'm in private sector fisheries and we do a TON of partnership work with state and federal folks. Lots of research to benefit all fisheries as a whole. Some of the projects we were planning, or even in the middle of have been terminated due to funding being suddenly cut. Others, thankfully, haven't been given the axe yet but we are keeping a close eye on them. One that I am working on with NOAA could be an absolute game changer for the aquaculture industry for the better (both from a science standpoint and an economic one).

The amount of misinformation and just complete misunderstanding of anything science among the fishermen (and many non-fishermen) is mind boggling at times. I frequent various fishing related forums and these guys are all experts because they do a little fishing on the weekends and maybe used to read In-Fishermen in the waiting room at the oil change place. At almost every conference I have attended, there is almost always a symposium or round-table on how to combat this but anymore these days, I am not sure you can. So many people will just choose to believe what they want to believe and that is that.

It has not been uncommon out here to see fishermen demand that Fish and Game do X about problem Y. Fish and Game will say "listen, X will NOT work, please believe us". But fishermen will continue to demand X. So F&G does X and of course it makes things worse. Then fishermen start screaming "why did you do X and ruin everything?!?!?" Or similar F&G will say, "we need to do X to stop bad thing Y from happening" and fisherman will scream "NO DONT DO X THAT WILL RUIN IT!" So F&G doesn't do X to keep them happy. Then bad thing Y happens and the fishermen will scream "WHY DIDN'T YOU DO X TO STOP THIS!!!" I really admire the patience that some of the folks working in that public sector have. Similar story on the wildlife management side as well.

Oh I get it.

I'm currently involved in almost weekly arguments online because I have the audacity to advocate for the removal of low-head dams on the Fox and DuPage Rivers here in the Chicago area. And the argument roadmap you provided is EXACTLY how it's played out with the removal of one dam (and proposed removals of several others). It's mind-numbing, thankless work. But the idiot brigade is strong (and loud unfortunately). But they just are "conservative" to a T. Any change is automatically bad because it's different than what they have known all their lives.

(And for the record, these rivers were about 85% toast in the 70s and early 80s due to pollution and no real management plan. So anyone who is 50+ has seen what proper management can do in just 20 or so years. But nope, PawPaw and Pappy knew what was best when they drank Hamm's in the back of the bait shop....)

 

[Handyman]

It makes sense if you think about it like this:

1) Fans of sports team that stinks want coach fired. Coach is obviously the reason they suck
2) Team fires coach hires coach fans think is better
3) Team still sucks, other coach goes on to be successful elsewhere
4) Fans blame team for firing coach

 

[Proud2baLaker]

It makes sense if you think about it like this:

1) Fans of sports team that stinks want coach fired. Coach is obviously the reason they suck
2) Team fires coach hires coach fans think is better
3) Team still sucks, other coach goes on to be successful elsewhere
4) Fans blame team for firing coach

Ha. Perfect analogy how how things are going/will go with the economy (sort of). Only the "fans" of the new coach will keep asking for the suck because a team they hate is also not doing great (but is actually still doing way better than their team).

 

[aparch]

Americans are dumb. Dumb dumb dumb.

Watching Orange Clown sitting at the head of the cabinet meeting of morons and I just want to power vomit.

Theyre not beating the Co-Presidency allegations with Musk leading the discussion.

 

[state of hockey]

I'm in private sector fisheries and we do a TON of partnership work with state and federal folks. Lots of research to benefit all fisheries as a whole. Some of the projects we were planning, or even in the middle of have been terminated due to funding being suddenly cut. Others, thankfully, haven't been given the axe yet but we are keeping a close eye on them. One that I am working on with NOAA could be an absolute game changer for the aquaculture industry for the better (both from a science standpoint and an economic one).

The amount of misinformation and just complete misunderstanding of anything science among the fishermen (and many non-fishermen) is mind boggling at times. I frequent various fishing related forums and these guys are all experts because they do a little fishing on the weekends and maybe used to read In-Fishermen in the waiting room at the oil change place. At almost every conference I have attended, there is almost always a symposium or round-table on how to combat this but anymore these days, I am not sure you can. So many people will just choose to believe what they want to believe and that is that.

It has not been uncommon out here to see fishermen demand that Fish and Game do X about problem Y. Fish and Game will say "listen, X will NOT work, please believe us". But fishermen will continue to demand X. So F&G does X and of course it makes things worse. Then fishermen start screaming "why did you do X and ruin everything?!?!?" Or similar F&G will say, "we need to do X to stop bad thing Y from happening" and fisherman will scream "NO DONT DO X THAT WILL RUIN IT!" So F&G doesn't do X to keep them happy. Then bad thing Y happens and the fishermen will scream "WHY DIDN'T YOU DO X TO STOP THIS!!!" I really admire the patience that some of the folks working in that public sector have. Similar story on the wildlife management side as well.

This is basically the first fifteen minutes of every season of Deadliest Catch. I have always chuckled and assumed the guys on the camera were dolts on the subject.

 

[Jimjamesak]

This is basically the first fifteen minutes of every season of Deadliest Catch. I have always chuckled and assumed the guys on the camera were dolts on the subject.

Oh they are. And most of them don’t even live in Alaska. In fine Alaskan tradition we allow them to come in, plunder our resources and then jet off tax free.

 

[Handyman]

Oh they are. And most of them don’t even live in Alaska. In fine Alaskan tradition we allow them to come in, plunder our resources and then jet off tax free.

Yeah Sig lives in Seattle for sure as do a lot of them.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Yeah Sig lives in Seattle for sure as do a lot of them.

AFAIK the only ones who live in Alaska are the Time Bandit guys.

The rest live in Washington. And they pay no taxes because Alaska has no income tax despite a huge percentage of workers (between fishing and the oil industry) being non-residents.

 

[Handyman]

AFAIK the only ones who live in Alaska are the Time Bandit guys.

The rest live in Washington. And they pay no taxes because Alaska has no income tax despite a huge percentage of workers (between fishing and the oil industry) being non-residents.

I thought John had a home in Washington too...but who knows.