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Dump Term 2, 1.01: Sleep Now in the Fire

Proud2baLaker said:
I'm in private sector fisheries and we do a TON of partnership work with state and federal folks. Lots of research to benefit all fisheries as a whole. Some of the projects we were planning, or even in the middle of have been terminated due to funding being suddenly cut. Others, thankfully, haven't been given the axe yet but we are keeping a close eye on them. One that I am working on with NOAA could be an absolute game changer for the aquaculture industry for the better (both from a science standpoint and an economic one).

The amount of misinformation and just complete misunderstanding of anything science among the fishermen (and many non-fishermen) is mind boggling at times. I frequent various fishing related forums and these guys are all experts because they do a little fishing on the weekends and maybe used to read In-Fishermen in the waiting room at the oil change place. At almost every conference I have attended, there is almost always a symposium or round-table on how to combat this but anymore these days, I am not sure you can. So many people will just choose to believe what they want to believe and that is that.

It has not been uncommon out here to see fishermen demand that Fish and Game do X about problem Y. Fish and Game will say "listen, X will NOT work, please believe us". But fishermen will continue to demand X. So F&G does X and of course it makes things worse. Then fishermen start screaming "why did you do X and ruin everything?!?!?" Or similar F&G will say, "we need to do X to stop bad thing Y from happening" and fisherman will scream "NO DONT DO X THAT WILL RUIN IT!" So F&G doesn't do X to keep them happy. Then bad thing Y happens and the fishermen will scream "WHY DIDN'T YOU DO X TO STOP THIS!!!" I really admire the patience that some of the folks working in that public sector have. Similar story on the wildlife management side as well.
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Oh I get it.

I'm currently involved in almost weekly arguments online because I have the audacity to advocate for the removal of low-head dams on the Fox and DuPage Rivers here in the Chicago area. And the argument roadmap you provided is EXACTLY how it's played out with the removal of one dam (and proposed removals of several others). It's mind-numbing, thankless work. But the idiot brigade is strong (and loud unfortunately). But they just are "conservative" to a T. Any change is automatically bad because it's different than what they have known all their lives.

(And for the record, these rivers were about 85% toast in the 70s and early 80s due to pollution and no real management plan. So anyone who is 50+ has seen what proper management can do in just 20 or so years. But nope, PawPaw and Pappy knew what was best when they drank Hamm's in the back of the bait shop....)
 
It makes sense if you think about it like this:

1) Fans of sports team that stinks want coach fired. Coach is obviously the reason they suck
2) Team fires coach hires coach fans think is better
3) Team still sucks, other coach goes on to be successful elsewhere
4) Fans blame team for firing coach
 
Handyman said:
It makes sense if you think about it like this:

1) Fans of sports team that stinks want coach fired. Coach is obviously the reason they suck
2) Team fires coach hires coach fans think is better
3) Team still sucks, other coach goes on to be successful elsewhere
4) Fans blame team for firing coach
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Ha. Perfect analogy how how things are going/will go with the economy (sort of). Only the "fans" of the new coach will keep asking for the suck because a team they hate is also not doing great (but is actually still doing way better than their team).
 
Proud2baLaker said:
I'm in private sector fisheries and we do a TON of partnership work with state and federal folks. Lots of research to benefit all fisheries as a whole. Some of the projects we were planning, or even in the middle of have been terminated due to funding being suddenly cut. Others, thankfully, haven't been given the axe yet but we are keeping a close eye on them. One that I am working on with NOAA could be an absolute game changer for the aquaculture industry for the better (both from a science standpoint and an economic one).

The amount of misinformation and just complete misunderstanding of anything science among the fishermen (and many non-fishermen) is mind boggling at times. I frequent various fishing related forums and these guys are all experts because they do a little fishing on the weekends and maybe used to read In-Fishermen in the waiting room at the oil change place. At almost every conference I have attended, there is almost always a symposium or round-table on how to combat this but anymore these days, I am not sure you can. So many people will just choose to believe what they want to believe and that is that.

It has not been uncommon out here to see fishermen demand that Fish and Game do X about problem Y. Fish and Game will say "listen, X will NOT work, please believe us". But fishermen will continue to demand X. So F&G does X and of course it makes things worse. Then fishermen start screaming "why did you do X and ruin everything?!?!?" Or similar F&G will say, "we need to do X to stop bad thing Y from happening" and fisherman will scream "NO DONT DO X THAT WILL RUIN IT!" So F&G doesn't do X to keep them happy. Then bad thing Y happens and the fishermen will scream "WHY DIDN'T YOU DO X TO STOP THIS!!!" I really admire the patience that some of the folks working in that public sector have. Similar story on the wildlife management side as well.
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This is basically the first fifteen minutes of every season of Deadliest Catch. I have always chuckled and assumed the guys on the camera were dolts on the subject.
 
state of hockey said:
This is basically the first fifteen minutes of every season of Deadliest Catch. I have always chuckled and assumed the guys on the camera were dolts on the subject.
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Oh they are. And most of them don’t even live in Alaska. In fine Alaskan tradition we allow them to come in, plunder our resources and then jet off tax free.
 
Handyman said:
Yeah Sig lives in Seattle for sure as do a lot of them.
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AFAIK the only ones who live in Alaska are the Time Bandit guys.

The rest live in Washington. And they pay no taxes because Alaska has no income tax despite a huge percentage of workers (between fishing and the oil industry) being non-residents.
 
Jimjamesak said:
AFAIK the only ones who live in Alaska are the Time Bandit guys.

The rest live in Washington. And they pay no taxes because Alaska has no income tax despite a huge percentage of workers (between fishing and the oil industry) being non-residents.
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I thought John had a home in Washington too...but who knows.
 
beaverhockeyfan said:
The party of fiscal conservatism is a joke. Trump 1.0 added $7 trillion to the deficit, which with where the deficit is today, is about 20% of it. Now, Trump 2.0 is looking to add another $4 triliion to it, running his total to $11 trillion of the $40 trillion, or approximately 25% of it.

And over night, the DOGE Wall of Receipts pulled some of their top "savings", realizing that there were errors in their calculations.... This is all a f'ing joke and a big grift for Musk and the rich.
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Sounds like drew should be really, really, really concerned
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Sounds like drew should be really, really, really concerned
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I can’t say in strong enough terms how idiotic I think the plan is.

If you’re a billionaire how can you think what Trump is doing helps you? It might put a few extra bucks in your pocket but what do you do when the country goes to hell?
 
Doctors and scientists who were laid off by Hitler youth are reporting that people are sending them ads for $10/hr jobs training AI.

Thats beyond insulting. I look forward to all the rural maga who have to enter the big dangerous city to see any doctor
 
F*** off, you piece of s***

If you thought that, you wouldn’t have come here posting about your concern with violence against trumpets. You are a sheep cheering on your cult leader.

Maybe go send death threats to that bitch of a gov you have- we know you despise women
 
Jeb2020 said:
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Working in rural healthcare, if these cuts go through and nothing else is put into place, rural hospitals and nursing home are going to close. And as we all saw with Trump 1.0, he was going to repeal the ACA, but only had concepts of a plan that never came to fruition. MAGAts are so gung ho on these cuts, no one is looking down the road at the larger consequences.
 
beaverhockeyfan said:
Working in rural healthcare, if these cuts go through and nothing else is put into place, rural hospitals and nursing home are going to close. And as we all saw with Trump 1.0, he was going to repeal the ACA, but only had concepts of a plan that never came to fruition. MAGAts are so gung ho on these cuts, no one is looking down the road at the larger consequences.
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That is because they are either too stupid (Jeb and his ilk) or too myopic. They think the cuts will only hurt others (which is fine) or aren't exactly what they are.
 
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