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Does Brown care about women's hockey?

Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

Board generally doesn't give a $%^@ about what goes down here. Examples:

1. I have been banned from two other forums and permanently IP banned from ESPN. I have 8K+ posts here.
2. I have been writing Extra for about three months trying to renew my Extra. Yeah. Still don't have it. Want to anonymous neg me? Now is the time.
3. I reported the third thread and asked for a merg. Yeah, we still have three threads floating around.

Pretty much anything goes here. Where you at David?!?!???
 
Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

Board generally doesn't give a $%^@ about what goes down here. Examples:

1. I have been banned from two other forums and permanently IP banned from ESPN. I have 8K+ posts here.

I could never imagine why.....:confused: :p
 
Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

These are parents who have watched players over the last several years who have played for one of if not the premier club program in the country throughout their careers quit the team. These are players who also attended one of the top preps in Mass, played 3 season sports, and never saw a prep hockey season end before postseason and more than a few D1 Prep championships and not from the bench. And Sundays from September to April they skated club. and gtave up every holiday weekend during that time to hockey - parents and players. Their prep school sends players every year to Ivy programs and no one is surprised when they make immediate impact. You have other players with hockey and academic resumes just as impressive from both sides of the border. The players that came up through this and left the Brown program were not bench warmers there. When it came down to 1-2 rotations they were the ones on the ice. They were not first year players, but Brown veterans.

Do I detect a sense of entitlement here???

A good coach does not care how much money someone spent to go to prep school, nor that their parents came up every weekend to tote them down to play club hockey on many teams that were largely picked before the tryouts ever occurred. The good coach doesn't care about how many playoffs or championships your prep or club team won.

I could go on about my own daughter's trials and tribulations like you seem to, but quite frankly nobody here wishes to hear that, so I know not to print it.

A good coach tries to select players who demonstrate the level of physical tools necessary and the knowledge of the game to do the job. Beyond that, they want a player who respects that this coach wants her to play this way and not necessarily the way they played where they came from. A player may be given a year or 2 to adjust to a new level and game style.

From everything said here, the expectations of the coach and the players did not match, so players and team went separate ways.

Players and their sympathetic parents will argue that it is the "stupid" coach causing this. The ones who go public with this sort of line in my book and seemingly the majority of people without a vested interest (inpartial) seems to be that they are whining.

Let's not forget that it is the coach's team and players play at the pleasure of the coach. If the players or their parents (who suddenly register on USCHO during their freshman year - where have you been?) have an issue with the coach, take it up with the AD and university president. If you've got something more than she said/she said, you might actually get an audience. If you donate enough to build a practice facility, you might even get more attention ;) .

Point here is that the collection of newbie Brown freshmen parents here don't run the show and don't need to start multiple threads showing their whiney nature and then bring up the forum rule book when they are roundly called out for their behavior. There are regulars here who started out on a wrong note, but they figured out how to get along here and have gained a lot of respect doing so. Not seeing that from this Brown bunch. What I am seeing in this public display is destructive to their daughters, the team, and womens college hockey as I have called out earlier.

I'm not keeping track of which one of them said what here necessarily, but the fact that they all seem to refuse to acknowledge one another's lack of credibility here impugns the whole bunch. At least the RIT folks will tell their own to chill out when they go overboard (not picking on the RIT folks as bad as they seem to be quite knowledgable and witty, but just saying that a D3 school bunch can self-regulate).

And as to the bunch commenting here that you seem to think know only general stuff. These folks have been around college hockey a lot longer than the frosh parents at Brown. Several of them are well connected on both sides of the border with many of the top programs. And I'm sure a few of them are quite familiar with Digit and Brown - perhaps not as parents, but quite frankly none of you parents are in the locker room nor attend all the practices or team meetings. You hear what your daughters tell you. Perhaps they aren't hearing the things they want to hear from Digit. You don't need to be a megaphone for that. What I'm saying here is that you are not the experts here but on a very narrow and biased view of the program. Not a one of the Brown parents here seem to have asked the tough questions up front about why the turnover? As one parent clearly did the research (and posted numbers here) but failed to investigate. Not our fault, so don't complain to us.

I'm still not sure why I am taking the point on this discussion except that I am probably more sensative to this type of parent behavior than others, although I do appreciate the support of the regulars around here. As I said earlier, I could go on publically about what my daughter has had to deal with, but nobody cares. And nobody should care. I do talk to a few trusted friends here about a few specific incidents, but really it is to get a level set about how the environment actually works and how to work with it.

Perhaps if a few of these Brown folks would take that approach, they would find more people willing to listen and provide insight (although not necessarily what you want to hear still).
 
Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

I have NEVER posted on a site that trashes the girls on Brown's Hockey team. Au Contraire, mon ami! The team members ARE my concern. ALL of them. No blind allegiance to authority, here. Just ask Hux....

No blind allegiance to authority? How about respecting the authority of the coach for at least 1/2 a season before trying to destroy the team? No allegiance necessary, just stick a cork in it.

And if the team members are your concern, you might start by not trying to destroy the coach who is responsible for leading them while they are trying to bond together as a team. Or have you instructed your daughter to do otherwise?
 
Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

Do I detect a sense of entitlement here???

It pretty much seems that way.

Time and again I hear (and see first hand) how parents of new players react when Janey sees limited ice time, isn't on special teams, gets chewed out for screwin' up in a practice or game, is challenged by the coaching staff, etc. etc. etc.

Quite often it is a reaction to Janey and parents having to deal with on-ice adversity for the first time, and the parents not really knowing how to cope other than to stress and *****. Eventually things ameliorate and self-correct (Janey figures things out, builds confidence, sees more ice time etc.) and mom and dad relax.

I know of one high profile player in particular whose father said to me, "Coach was really hard on her her first year. I remember thinking "She is having a tough time and isn't happy and I've got to get her out of here." She decided to stick it out, and I'm glad she did, and that we let her make the decision, because she wouldn't be the player she is now had coach not relentlessly pushed and challenged her."

Sometimes, however, they don't self-correct and if Janey isn't getting the star treatment...or the program is suffering losses, the stessing and *****ing and moaning continues ad nauseam. Which seems to be the case here.

Its been no secret that the Brown program has struggled, Coach Murphy doesn't sing kumbaya around the center ice dot, and the administration and athletic department seem apathetic toward the program and athletics in general. Which begs the question, where was the due diligence in the process of choosing a school and program?

Oh, that's right, there wasn't any. Under the all too often heard "It's all about the education" mantra the blinders were put on and Janey was ostensibly herded off to the fine Ivy institution in Providence to continue her enlightenment, when in reality it was to pursue her D1 hockey career. The NESCACs came calling, but they weren't good enough for the egos along the Prep school glass and in the warming rooms. No, Janey is going to get a first rate education and did I mention, play D1 hockey.

Well, you wanted D1 hockey, and you got it. Warts, hard work, demanding coaches, accountability, and all the rest. Now sit down, shut up, and let the kids play...if they are up to it. If not, well, you will always have that Ivy education...because that is why you chose Brown after all.
 
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Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

Wow away for abit and look at this,

I have a couple of words for freshman parents

back off and leave your daughters alone, they will learn than you can ever imagine about life in the 4 years,
this quote is key from Hux

"She is having a tough time and isn't happy and I've got to get her out of here." She decided to stick it out, and I'm glad she did, and that we let her make the decision, because she wouldn't be the player she is now had coach not relentlessly pushed and challenged her."
 
Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

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Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

Do I detect a sense of entitlement here???

A good coach does not care how much money someone spent to go to prep school, nor that their parents came up every weekend to tote them down to play club hockey on many teams that were largely picked before the tryouts ever occurred. The good coach doesn't care about how many playoffs or championships your prep or club team won.

I could go on about my own daughter's trials and tribulations like you seem to, but quite frankly nobody here wishes to hear that, so I know not to print it.

A good coach tries to select players who demonstrate the level of physical tools necessary and the knowledge of the game to do the job. Beyond that, they want a player who respects that this coach wants her to play this way and not necessarily the way they played where they came from. A player may be given a year or 2 to adjust to a new level and game style.

From everything said here, the expectations of the coach and the players did not match, so players and team went separate ways.

Players and their sympathetic parents will argue that it is the "stupid" coach causing this. The ones who go public with this sort of line in my book and seemingly the majority of people without a vested interest (inpartial) seems to be that they are whining.

Let's not forget that it is the coach's team and players play at the pleasure of the coach. If the players or their parents (who suddenly register on USCHO during their freshman year - where have you been?) have an issue with the coach, take it up with the AD and university president. If you've got something more than she said/she said, you might actually get an audience. If you donate enough to build a practice facility, you might even get more attention ;) .

Point here is that the collection of newbie Brown freshmen parents here don't run the show and don't need to start multiple threads showing their whiney nature and then bring up the forum rule book when they are roundly called out for their behavior. There are regulars here who started out on a wrong note, but they figured out how to get along here and have gained a lot of respect doing so. Not seeing that from this Brown bunch. What I am seeing in this public display is destructive to their daughters, the team, and womens college hockey as I have called out earlier.

I'm not keeping track of which one of them said what here necessarily, but the fact that they all seem to refuse to acknowledge one another's lack of credibility here impugns the whole bunch. At least the RIT folks will tell their own to chill out when they go overboard (not picking on the RIT folks as bad as they seem to be quite knowledgable and witty, but just saying that a D3 school bunch can self-regulate).

And as to the bunch commenting here that you seem to think know only general stuff. These folks have been around college hockey a lot longer than the frosh parents at Brown. Several of them are well connected on both sides of the border with many of the top programs. And I'm sure a few of them are quite familiar with Digit and Brown - perhaps not as parents, but quite frankly none of you parents are in the locker room nor attend all the practices or team meetings. You hear what your daughters tell you. Perhaps they aren't hearing the things they want to hear from Digit. You don't need to be a megaphone for that. What I'm saying here is that you are not the experts here but on a very narrow and biased view of the program. Not a one of the Brown parents here seem to have asked the tough questions up front about why the turnover? As one parent clearly did the research (and posted numbers here) but failed to investigate. Not our fault, so don't complain to us.

I'm still not sure why I am taking the point on this discussion except that I am probably more sensative to this type of parent behavior than others, although I do appreciate the support of the regulars around here. As I said earlier, I could go on publically about what my daughter has had to deal with, but nobody cares. And nobody should care. I do talk to a few trusted friends here about a few specific incidents, but really it is to get a level set about how the environment actually works and how to work with it.

Perhaps if a few of these Brown folks would take that approach, they would find more people willing to listen and provide insight (although not necessarily what you want to hear still).

THIS the new,(old) cool way to agree 100%:D
 
Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

It pretty much seems that way.

Time and again I hear (and see first hand) how parents of new players react when Janey sees limited ice time, isn't on special teams, gets chewed out for screwin' up in a practice or game, is challenged by the coaching staff, etc. etc. etc.

Quite often it is a reaction to Janey and parents having to deal with on-ice adversity for the first time, and the parents not really knowing how to cope other than to stress and *****. Eventually things ameliorate and self-correct (Janey figures things out, builds confidence, sees more ice time etc.) and mom and dad relax.

I know of one high profile player in particular whose father said to me, "Coach was really hard on her her first year. I remember thinking "She is having a tough time and isn't happy and I've got to get her out of here." She decided to stick it out, and I'm glad she did, and that we let her make the decision, because she wouldn't be the player she is now had coach not relentlessly pushed and challenged her."

Sometimes, however, they don't self-correct and if Janey isn't getting the star treatment...or the program is suffering losses, the stessing and *****ing and moaning continues ad nauseam. Which seems to be the case here.

Its been no secret that the Brown program has struggled, Coach Murphy doesn't sing kumbaya around the center ice dot, and the administration and athletic department seem apathetic toward the program and athletics in general. Which begs the question, where was the due diligence in the process of choosing a school and program?

Oh, that's right, there wasn't any. Under the all too often heard "It's all about the education" mantra the blinders were put on and Janey was ostensibly herded off to the fine Ivy institution in Providence to continue her enlightenment, when in reality it was to pursue her D1 hockey career. The NESCACs came calling, but they weren't good enough for the egos along the Prep school glass and in the warming rooms. No, Janey is going to get a first rate education and did I mention, play D1 hockey.

Well, you wanted D1 hockey, and you got it. Warts, hard work, demanding coaches, accountability, and all the rest. Now sit down, shut up, and let the kids play...if they are up to it. If not, well, you will always have that Ivy education...because that is why you chose Brown after all.

THIS:D
 
Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

Do I detect a sense of entitlement here???

A good coach does not care how much money someone spent to go to prep school, nor that their parents came up every weekend to tote them down to play club hockey on many teams that were largely picked before the tryouts ever occurred. The good coach doesn't care about how many playoffs or championships your prep or club team won.

I could go on about my own daughter's trials and tribulations like you seem to, but quite frankly nobody here wishes to hear that, so I know not to print it.

A good coach tries to select players who demonstrate the level of physical tools necessary and the knowledge of the game to do the job. Beyond that, they want a player who respects that this coach wants her to play this way and not necessarily the way they played where they came from. A player may be given a year or 2 to adjust to a new level and game style.

From everything said here, the expectations of the coach and the players did not match, so players and team went separate ways.

Players and their sympathetic parents will argue that it is the "stupid" coach causing this. The ones who go public with this sort of line in my book and seemingly the majority of people without a vested interest (inpartial) seems to be that they are whining.

Let's not forget that it is the coach's team and players play at the pleasure of the coach. If the players or their parents (who suddenly register on USCHO during their freshman year - where have you been?) have an issue with the coach, take it up with the AD and university president. If you've got something more than she said/she said, you might actually get an audience. If you donate enough to build a practice facility, you might even get more attention ;) .

Point here is that the collection of newbie Brown freshmen parents here don't run the show and don't need to start multiple threads showing their whiney nature and then bring up the forum rule book when they are roundly called out for their behavior. There are regulars here who started out on a wrong note, but they figured out how to get along here and have gained a lot of respect doing so. Not seeing that from this Brown bunch. What I am seeing in this public display is destructive to their daughters, the team, and womens college hockey as I have called out earlier.

I'm not keeping track of which one of them said what here necessarily, but the fact that they all seem to refuse to acknowledge one another's lack of credibility here impugns the whole bunch. At least the RIT folks will tell their own to chill out when they go overboard (not picking on the RIT folks as bad as they seem to be quite knowledgable and witty, but just saying that a D3 school bunch can self-regulate).

And as to the bunch commenting here that you seem to think know only general stuff. These folks have been around college hockey a lot longer than the frosh parents at Brown. Several of them are well connected on both sides of the border with many of the top programs. And I'm sure a few of them are quite familiar with Digit and Brown - perhaps not as parents, but quite frankly none of you parents are in the locker room nor attend all the practices or team meetings. You hear what your daughters tell you. Perhaps they aren't hearing the things they want to hear from Digit. You don't need to be a megaphone for that. What I'm saying here is that you are not the experts here but on a very narrow and biased view of the program. Not a one of the Brown parents here seem to have asked the tough questions up front about why the turnover? As one parent clearly did the research (and posted numbers here) but failed to investigate. Not our fault, so don't complain to us.

I'm still not sure why I am taking the point on this discussion except that I am probably more sensative to this type of parent behavior than others, although I do appreciate the support of the regulars around here. As I said earlier, I could go on publically about what my daughter has had to deal with, but nobody cares. And nobody should care. I do talk to a few trusted friends here about a few specific incidents, but really it is to get a level set about how the environment actually works and how to work with it.

Perhaps if a few of these Brown folks would take that approach, they would find more people willing to listen and provide insight (although not necessarily what you want to hear still).

This !!

Running out of Rep, Your post and the one from Hux are both must reads for Parents of Freshman, New Recruits and Future Recruits. Well Done.
 
Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

It pretty much seems that way.

Time and again I hear (and see first hand) how parents of new players react when Janey sees limited ice time, isn't on special teams, gets chewed out for screwin' up in a practice or game, is challenged by the coaching staff, etc. etc. etc.

Quite often it is a reaction to Janey and parents having to deal with on-ice adversity for the first time, and the parents not really knowing how to cope other than to stress and *****. Eventually things ameliorate and self-correct (Janey figures things out, builds confidence, sees more ice time etc.) and mom and dad relax.

I know of one high profile player in particular whose father said to me, "Coach was really hard on her her first year. I remember thinking "She is having a tough time and isn't happy and I've got to get her out of here." She decided to stick it out, and I'm glad she did, and that we let her make the decision, because she wouldn't be the player she is now had coach not relentlessly pushed and challenged her."

Sometimes, however, they don't self-correct and if Janey isn't getting the star treatment...or the program is suffering losses, the stessing and *****ing and moaning continues ad nauseam. Which seems to be the case here.

Its been no secret that the Brown program has struggled, Coach Murphy doesn't sing kumbaya around the center ice dot, and the administration and athletic department seem apathetic toward the program and athletics in general. Which begs the question, where was the due diligence in the process of choosing a school and program?

Oh, that's right, there wasn't any. Under the all too often heard "It's all about the education" mantra the blinders were put on and Janey was ostensibly herded off to the fine Ivy institution in Providence to continue her enlightenment, when in reality it was to pursue her D1 hockey career. The NESCACs came calling, but they weren't good enough for the egos along the Prep school glass and in the warming rooms. No, Janey is going to get a first rate education and did I mention, play D1 hockey.

Well, you wanted D1 hockey, and you got it. Warts, hard work, demanding coaches, accountability, and all the rest. Now sit down, shut up, and let the kids play...if they are up to it. If not, well, you will always have that Ivy education...because that is why you chose Brown after all.

This !!

Running out of Rep, Your post and the one from "Notfromaroundhere" are both must reads for Parents of Freshman, New Recruits and Future Recruits.

Well Done.

And BTW, I have lots of connections in the Ivy World...and the answer to the questions of the thread is YES...Brown does care about hockey....Just wait two more years and you'll see...The first seeds are being sown this year, and the harvest will start a few years down the road....
 
Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

Board generally doesn't give a $%^@ about what goes down here. Examples:

1. I have been banned from two other forums and permanently IP banned from ESPN. I have 8K+ posts here.
2. I have been writing Extra for about three months trying to renew my Extra. Yeah. Still don't have it. Want to anonymous neg me? Now is the time.
3. I reported the third thread and asked for a merg. Yeah, we still have three threads floating around.

Pretty much anything goes here. Where you at David?!?!???

man, you work fast. I've been here 3 years longer than you, and I only have about 1,000 posts. I can't imagine anyone ever wanting to neg rep you;)
 
Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

man, you work fast. I've been here 3 years longer than you, and I only have about 1,000 posts. I can't imagine anyone ever wanting to neg rep you;)

Some people have Nutting better to do ! :D
(I'll probably get it from RStar now, but while He/She is sometimes way out there enjoy his/her contributions in general. More often than not they are value add to the debate;) ).
 
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Wow! A lot of people who have or had no connection to Brown taking the time to write ponderous, righteous tomes about those who do or did have. Try this - go back in this thread and see when the last message was posted by someone with an actual Brown connection. But you folks keep on bringing it up and, in the process, bringing the thread right back up to the top of the list. I can tell you that Brown has problems unique to it and not encountered by the average D1 or Ivy school. But whether you choose to believe that or not, you're not helping either. How about putting a sock in your sanctimony, letting the thread sink back into obscurity where it belongs, and letting the team sort things out itself? Try that.
 
Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

Wow! A lot of people who have or had no connection to Brown taking the time to write ponderous, righteous tomes about those who do or did have. Try this - go back in this thread and see when the last message was posted by someone with an actual Brown connection.

At 10:15 Last Night less than 13 hours ago, Brown Parent made a post. And your point is?
 
Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

Wow! A lot of people who have or had no connection to Brown taking the time to write ponderous, righteous tomes about those who do or did have. Try this - go back in this thread and see when the last message was posted by someone with an actual Brown connection. But you folks keep on bringing it up and, in the process, bringing the thread right back up to the top of the list. I can tell you that Brown has problems unique to it and not encountered by the average D1 or Ivy school. But whether you choose to believe that or not, you're not helping either. How about putting a sock in your sanctimony, letting the thread sink back into obscurity where it belongs, and letting the team sort things out itself? Try that.

Well guess what. It was one of the disgruntled Brown Parent posters who dragged this subject back up by starting the third thread in the last month or two on the same subject after Brown lost a couple of games last week. So maybe you should direct your anger about the rehash of the discussion on this subject to them instead !. :mad:
 
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Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

Wow! A lot of people who have or had no connection to Brown taking the time to write ponderous, righteous tomes about those who do or did have. Try this - go back in this thread and see when the last message was posted by someone with an actual Brown connection. But you folks keep on bringing it up and, in the process, bringing the thread right back up to the top of the list. I can tell you that Brown has problems unique to it and not encountered by the average D1 or Ivy school. But whether you choose to believe that or not, you're not helping either. How about putting a sock in your sanctimony, letting the thread sink back into obscurity where it belongs, and letting the team sort things out itself? Try that.
LOL lighten up Ed. If you don't like the content move along. How about you try that.
 
Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

Wow away for abit and look at this,

I have a couple of words for freshman parents

back off and leave your daughters alone, they will learn than you can ever imagine about life in the 4 years,
this quote is key from Hux

"She is having a tough time and isn't happy and I've got to get her out of here." She decided to stick it out, and I'm glad she did, and that we let her make the decision, because she wouldn't be the player she is now had coach not relentlessly pushed and challenged her."

Agree 100%. One of our D is in year three playing college hockey. Had a great rookie campaign, followed by a though 2nd season, so the quote in red sure rings a bell. She is back in full swing now and enjoying it like never before. We supported both her and her coach at the same time getting through this "Behind the scenes".

BTW Justamom...You may not realise this but your D and my D played against each other in minor Hockey several times as we are from the same neck of the woods.
 
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Re: Does Brown care about women's hockey?

But you folks keep on bringing it up and, in the process, bringing the thread right back up to the top of the list.

Which seems to be exactly what you just did...

How about putting a sock in your sanctimony,

I like that!

letting the thread sink back into obscurity where it belongs, and letting the team sort things out itself? Try that.

Agreed: Let it sink.

{But if you vote to let it sink, it rises again ... dilemma or conundrum?}
 
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