Division 1 Commitments 2014-15

[HockeyEast33]

Re: Division 1 Commitments 2014-15

Boom goes the freaking dynamite...

Geez 33, you are killing it in this thread...

I was cranky...

Anyway - from social media

Yale

Mallory Souliotis ............. D/F ............................. Nobles/Assabet ................ Acton, MA

 

[BackesHockey]

Re: Division 1 Commitments 2014-15

Hi, I am Alev Baysoy's mom. I did not even know the Forum existed until a friend emailed me what you had written, and here I am blowing my cover! I know you didn't mean to attack me personally. I appreciate your concerns about these commitments- we are obviously hoping for the best!

My post has no negative comments whatsoever about this player (Baysoy) or her personal commitment to Princeton, who and which I know nothing about. My comments are about an apparent change in recruiting philosophy at Princeton. Prior to the 14-15 year, you rarely saw any Princeton commitments on this board (or heard around the rink) this early in the process regardless of the quality of the player - they simply didn't make them. They have become dramatically less competitive the last 3-5 years, in some part due to their later recruiting timing as the commitment process moved earlier at other schools. Coach Kampersal appears to be attempting to address that this year by making earlier commitments than in the past. Either he has made arrangements with the admissions committee to do earlier academic screenings (which would be a little surprising given Princeton's historical position on this across all sports) or he is taking the approach Harvard has used for a while now to combat the earlier commitment timing - make extra commitments and then let the admissions committee reject a couple of the committed players. Look at various threads on this board for evidence/confirmation of Harvard's approach - this year it was 2 Canadian players who were on the Harvard commitment list for a year and then were rejected in admissions, in a previous year a national team player who ended up at Northeastern after a post-grad year was dragged along for a year by Harvard with a "commitment" and then rejected.

I attended an Ivy League school (not Princeton) and think that in general the Ivy League approach to athletic recruiting is dishonest and disingenuous to the players (across all/most sports). The Ivies rely on their reputation and attractiveness to excuse their callous handling of atheles in the recruiting process. Coaches claim to make commitments knowing full well that their admissions committees have not reviewed the academic qualifications of the players and that the commitment is of effectively no meaningful value (other than that they want the player on the team). Given that the absolute minimum academic index for an athlete in the Ivy League excludes 70-80% of all students in the world (yes - it's true - look it up), the Ivies should change their policies to allow academic reviews and disclosure consistent with the recruiting timing of their coaches. I'll get off the soapbox now.

With respect to your daughter Ms. Baysoy, I wish her all the success at Princeton both hockey and academic. I would suggest that you learn to differentiate comments about your kid's team from those about your kid specifically and develop thicker skin before she gets to Princeton because what sometimes gets written on forums and boards about losing D1 teams and players on those teams (which Princeton has been lately) can be pretty brutal.

 

[Skate79]

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Erin O'Connor.............D...................................(CYA)...........................................IL

I'm really hoping that the italicized players who are not coming are due to admissions. Because if it is anything like what we have seen recently with commits bailing on Harvard to go elsewhere (including other Ivies), I'm not going to be a happy camper. I really wish Harvard would start poaching some other school's recruits to see how they like getting their commits pulled out from under their noses. Hurts doesn't it?

 

[OnMAA]

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I attended an Ivy League school (not Princeton) and think that in general the Ivy League approach to athletic recruiting is dishonest and disingenuous to the players (across all/most sports). The Ivies rely on their reputation and attractiveness to excuse their callous handling of atheles in the recruiting process. Coaches claim to make commitments knowing full well that their admissions committees have not reviewed the academic qualifications of the players and that the commitment is of effectively no meaningful value (other than that they want the player on the team). Given that the absolute minimum academic index for an athlete in the Ivy League excludes 70-80% of all students in the world (yes - it's true - look it up), the Ivies should change their policies to allow academic reviews and disclosure consistent with the recruiting timing of their coaches. I'll get off the soapbox now.

Hmmm...Very interesting view...our personal experience surely is not reflective of your views. We were clearly advised by several schools that everything was contingent on meeting certain standards before they could make a solid commitment, and for several schools, the story changed drastically once the test scores improved. Our D did early admit, and was supported by the coach to get through it.

 

[FireInTheHeart]

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I know Alev and her mom, and they are both lovely people (and no, I'm not the friend that notified her of this thread). Please don't make such personal comments about parents, players, etc. or assume you know the "score" when you clearly don't. It adds nothing positive to the discussions, and ultimately makes the person writing those nasty comments look pretty dumb. Never forget that these are still young women you are discussing, the vast majority of whom are kind, fun, interesting, unique, caring, and dedicated in "real life." NONE of them are playing D1 without an incredible amount of hard work and effort. If a young woman is able to not only play hockey at this high level, but also handle the demanding course work that comes with attending an Ivy school, hats off to them and much luck on their journey.

 

[brookyone]

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I know Alev and her mom, and they are both lovely people (and no, I'm not the friend that notified her of this thread). Please don't make such personal comments about parents, players, etc. or assume you know the "score" when you clearly don't. It adds nothing positive to the discussions, and ultimately makes the person writing those nasty comments look pretty dumb. Never forget that these are still young women you are discussing, the vast majority of whom are kind, fun, interesting, unique, caring, and dedicated in "real life." NONE of them are playing D1 without an incredible amount of hard work and effort. If a young woman is able to not only play hockey at this high level, but also handle the demanding course work that comes with attending an Ivy school, hats off to them and much luck on their journey.

A very fine post!

 

[Eeyore]

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A very fine post!

It would be if it had anything to do with the original post, which in fact didn't make any negative comments about the player. There were no personal comments about anyone. So it's actually pretty ****ed clueless.

 

[Tip In]

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I'm really hoping that the italicized players who are not coming are due to admissions. Because if it is anything like what we have seen recently with commits bailing on Harvard to go elsewhere (including other Ivies), I'm not going to be a happy camper. I really wish Harvard would start poaching some other school's recruits to see how they like getting their commits pulled out from under their noses. Hurts doesn't it?

Historically, at the Ivies at this point in the process (Junior year Winter or earlier), the kids are asked for their academics (test scores and grades) and their chance of admission is assessed by the coaching staff, who are likely to be biased towards giving the thumbs up for someone they want. The admissions departments don't get involved until Summer at the earliest and the Likely Letters go out in the Fall (the real admission assessment). The coaches are making admissions assessments and commitments based on experience in absence of formal admissions review.

IMHO, that is deceptive. While coaches at any school will usually tell recruits that admission is dependent on continued academic performance, the assumption is that if a coach tells you you can get in that you can if you continue to perform at the same level. At schools like BU, BC, UM, etc. the admissions team will review academics earlier than the Ivies and make actual admissions commitments (again based on continued performance). But at the Ivies, the coaches commit without any review from admissions. Sometimes, even well-intentioned coaches get it wrong at an Ivy because the admissions committee changes their emphasis or requirements from previous years. Clearly, at Harvard (at least as reported by others on this forum), that is leading to 1 or 2 "failed admission" commitments per year.

Be very interested to hear from any others with recent experiences with Princeton, Harvard, or other Ivies that suggest the admissions committee is reviewing players academics prior to the summer (I think, but can't definitively state, that there may even be a league rule against this).

Love a good Ivies catfight

 

[brookyone]

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It would be if it had anything to do with the original post, which in fact didn't make any negative comments about the player. There were no personal comments about anyone. So it's actually pretty ****ed clueless.

Myself I believe it contains some worthwhile points and thoughts that apply to posts made on a semi regular basis. Posts seen from time to time in commitment threads, threads pertaining to selections to national camps, teams and a few threads with announcements of various meritorious player recognitions etc. Clueless? I think not personally.

 

[HockeyEast33]

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I'm really hoping that the italicized players who are not coming are due to admissions. Because if it is anything like what we have seen recently with commits bailing on Harvard to go elsewhere (including other Ivies), I'm not going to be a happy camper. I really wish Harvard would start poaching some other school's recruits to see how they like getting their commits pulled out from under their noses. Hurts doesn't it?

I have heard that the two were admissions related but that is often just cover for the coach pulling support. It is interesting that you feel that women hockey players are bailing on Harvard after committing - I have no knowledge of that occurring in the last 3 years. The other way around in fact....

 

[96IllinoisDad]

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Minnesota State
Amanda Martin.........F...........(NAHA)...............Peoria, Arizona

 

[MICZamboni]

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Molly Blasen will be headed to Mercyhurst. She is from Okemos MI and plays for Honey Baked. She is a D.

 

[bc6696]

Re: Division 1 Commitments 2014-15

Molly Blasen will graduate in 2015; so she would be listed under 2015-16 commits

 

[Hockeysbest]

Molly Blasen will graduate in 2015; so she would be listed under 2015-16 commits

Another commit for2015- 2016 is rumored to be Jincy Dunne to Ohio State

 

[Hux]

Re: Division 1 Commitments 2014-15

Another commit for2015- 2016 is rumored to be Jincy Dunne to Ohio State

Well, let's see, that means the rumor mill has now churned out Minnesota, Harvard, Wisconsin, BC and Ohio State as the landing spot for Miss Dunne.

 

[stevelm]

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From social media
Yale

Emily Monaghan ....................... F .................... (Edge Mountaineers) ..................... Calgary, AB

 

[AggiesHockey]

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Re. Ivies -- for what it's worth, our family was in communication with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, and Dartmouth. I would say Yale, Princeton, Cornell, and Dartmouth were quite honest about the academics needed for admission. Harvard's issue: they broadcast the most glowing recruiting emails one could imagine, practically begging for the opportunity to coach our daughter, and have her wear the vaunted crimson jersey. We soon learned that they sent those emails to every high-level player my daughter knew. So I don't know if they are honest about academics, but we felt their recruiting style was a crock of BeanS.

 

[drewcu]

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Clarkson

Amanda Titus.......................F ...................... Ottawa Jr Senators(PWHL) ..............................Stittsville, Ont

 

[UCONN FAN]

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Re. Ivies -- for what it's worth, our family was in communication with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, and Dartmouth. I would say Yale, Princeton, Cornell, and Dartmouth were quite honest about the academics needed for admission. Harvard's issue: they broadcast the most glowing recruiting emails one could imagine, practically begging for the opportunity to coach our daughter, and have her wear the vaunted crimson jersey. We soon learned that they sent those emails to every high-level player my daughter knew. So I don't know if they are honest about academics, but we felt their recruiting style was a crock of BeanS.

Notorious over recruiters...not that they are alone in that department.

 

[ZedLeppelin]

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From Twitter, for now - 2014-15 Penn State commitments:

Caitlyn Reilly, F, Benilde-St. Margaret's, MN
Bella Sutton, D, Mounds View, MN