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Div III NCAA Rankings
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HockeyEast33
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Re: Div III NCAA Rankings
Relax - I wasn't suggesting Williams was ahead of Lake Forest - between them they were 7 and 8 - I have no idea which was which nor was it relevant to the point I was making. They were the last seed in their respective region - that's all we know for sure.
Relax - I wasn't suggesting Williams was ahead of Lake Forest - between them they were 7 and 8 - I have no idea which was which nor was it relevant to the point I was making. They were the last seed in their respective region - that's all we know for sure.
HockeyEast33
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Re: Div III NCAA Rankings
The Plattsburgh reporter (who was at the rink and interviewed both coaches) almost certainly got the info from Plattsburgh State athletics/coaches - and they would know because they are hosting the final four and the seeds matter in the matchups.
The Plattsburgh reporter (who was at the rink and interviewed both coaches) almost certainly got the info from Plattsburgh State athletics/coaches - and they would know because they are hosting the final four and the seeds matter in the matchups.
gojackets
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Re: Div III NCAA Rankings
The bracket was set before this weekend. It wasn't going to change if different teams won.
I guess it doesn't really matter...the matchups would have been exactly the same. Like has been discussed multiple times it was never a discussion of middlebury vs stevens point, it was Middlebury vs. Elmira
The bracket was set before this weekend. It wasn't going to change if different teams won.
I guess it doesn't really matter...the matchups would have been exactly the same. Like has been discussed multiple times it was never a discussion of middlebury vs stevens point, it was Middlebury vs. Elmira
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Birdwatcher
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I am sure you are correct in your assumption, regardless of the argument it came down to Elmira-Middlebury. If it would not have been for the east-west split, WSP would not have been in the picture, BTW...Williams would be number 8 for the bracket. Number one seed always gets number 8, unless they are shifted around for the mileage rule.
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HockeyEast33
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Re: Div III NCAA Rankings
As I noted earlier, don't really know if Williams or Lake Forest was 7th or 8th. Regardless of whether they were 7th or 8th, Williams would have been the low seed in the East and have played Plattsburgh because of the mileage rule.
As I noted earlier, don't really know if Williams or Lake Forest was 7th or 8th. Regardless of whether they were 7th or 8th, Williams would have been the low seed in the East and have played Plattsburgh because of the mileage rule.
Re: Div III NCAA Rankings
I'm new to this. Are the seedings questioned like this every year? If Elmira is an overall 4 seed. How can the NCAA try to portray this tournament as an actual 1 through 8 National competition. Sounds like Norwich and Elmira got the short end of the stick in all of this.
I'm new to this. Are the seedings questioned like this every year? If Elmira is an overall 4 seed. How can the NCAA try to portray this tournament as an actual 1 through 8 National competition. Sounds like Norwich and Elmira got the short end of the stick in all of this.
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There is no public seeding of the teams. More likely, they seeded the team east #1 - east #4 and west #1 to west #4. Also, travel doesn't dictate the split of eastern and western teams. Just last year, St. Norbert was flown east for a first round game. Cost doesn't come into it until after the teams are selected, then they try to control costs by having teams within busing distance play each other.
There is no public seeding of the teams. More likely, they seeded the team east #1 - east #4 and west #1 to west #4. Also, travel doesn't dictate the split of eastern and western teams. Just last year, St. Norbert was flown east for a first round game. Cost doesn't come into it until after the teams are selected, then they try to control costs by having teams within busing distance play each other.
CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
Nate LePage, Siena '13
Re: Div III NCAA Rankings
Hey Guys! I know exactly where Ricky got his information on the "seeds"... USCHO! Those numbers he thew out there were the teams' respective USCHO.com Poll rankings, not their seeds or NCAA rankings. The first sign for me... He listed Williams as #10. How could they be the 10 seed in an 8-team tournament?
Hey Guys! I know exactly where Ricky got his information on the "seeds"... USCHO! Those numbers he thew out there were the teams' respective USCHO.com Poll rankings, not their seeds or NCAA rankings. The first sign for me... He listed Williams as #10. How could they be the 10 seed in an 8-team tournament?
Re: Div III NCAA Rankings
There was no implication of seeding. No. 5 and No. 6 clearly reflected the national rankings. If he has written "No. 6-seeded XXXX" I would assume seeds. Unless it's written as such, I don't assume the ranking is referring to seeds.
But maybe I'm different. Knowing the NCAA doesn't "assign seeds," how could you assume the seeds? Give Ricky some credit here. He wasn't making anything up. Simply wrote the national ranking at the time.
There was no implication of seeding. No. 5 and No. 6 clearly reflected the national rankings. If he has written "No. 6-seeded XXXX" I would assume seeds. Unless it's written as such, I don't assume the ranking is referring to seeds.
But maybe I'm different. Knowing the NCAA doesn't "assign seeds," how could you assume the seeds? Give Ricky some credit here. He wasn't making anything up. Simply wrote the national ranking at the time.
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I must be missing something here regarding the seeding. It seems simple to me.
East:
1.Plattsburgh
2.Norwich
3.Elmira
4.Williams
West
1.River Falls
2.St. Point
3.St. Thomas
4.Lake Forest
Over all:
1.Plattsburgh
8.Williams
4.St. Point
5.St. Thomas
2.Norwich
7.Elmira
3.River Falls
6.Lake Forest
The higher seeds all hosted and played at home with only St. Point losing. Now we are left with the # 1 seed Plattsburgh playing the 4/5 seed St. Thomas and # 2 Norwich playing # 3 River Falls. What am I missing?
I must be missing something here regarding the seeding. It seems simple to me.
East:
1.Plattsburgh
2.Norwich
3.Elmira
4.Williams
West
1.River Falls
2.St. Point
3.St. Thomas
4.Lake Forest
Over all:
1.Plattsburgh
8.Williams
4.St. Point
5.St. Thomas
2.Norwich
7.Elmira
3.River Falls
6.Lake Forest
The higher seeds all hosted and played at home with only St. Point losing. Now we are left with the # 1 seed Plattsburgh playing the 4/5 seed St. Thomas and # 2 Norwich playing # 3 River Falls. What am I missing?
Re: Div III NCAA Rankings
Even if they had gotten in, they would probably be done now anyway.
gojackets
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Re: Div III NCAA Rankings
The overinflated egos of all eastern fans that can't fathom an eastern team being seeded below a western team??
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And I'm just taking a joking jab. No reason to go all "SEE THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!!" on me.
The 4-4 split obviously was correct. However, don't overlook how forced it was by the NCHA getting an autobid despite not having a team that could have competed with any of the top WIAC schools that broke off. That's the only reason for anything but a 5-3 split.
And I'm just taking a joking jab. No reason to go all "SEE THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!!" on me.
The 4-4 split obviously was correct. However, don't overlook how forced it was by the NCHA getting an autobid despite not having a team that could have competed with any of the top WIAC schools that broke off. That's the only reason for anything but a 5-3 split.
gojackets
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Re: Div III NCAA Rankings
You did it for me! We'll talk after the all-west championship game this weekend!
I'm well aware of that fact...I'm wondering if 4-4 will become the norm...or will they generally go 5-3
You did it for me! We'll talk after the all-west championship game this weekend!
I'm well aware of that fact...I'm wondering if 4-4 will become the norm...or will they generally go 5-3
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Obviously depends on conference upsets, but you'll never get an at-large from NCHA in its current state. Always going to come down to how WIAC top 2/MIAC top match up with NESCAC/ECACW runners-up.
You did it for me! We'll talk after the all-west championship game this weekend!
I'm well aware of that fact...I'm wondering if 4-4 will become the norm...or will they generally go 5-3
Obviously depends on conference upsets, but you'll never get an at-large from NCHA in its current state. Always going to come down to how WIAC top 2/MIAC top match up with NESCAC/ECACW runners-up.
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They have the same thing on the men's side. Two eastern conferences get auto-bids and are almost always (maybe it is always) the lowest two seeds in the tourney. As they say, if you want to get in for sure, win your conference. Middlebury (and Trinity on the men's side) found out that if you leave it to the committee.....
By the way, I never questioned the 4/4 split. My surprise was that Middlebury didn't replace Elmira due to the 2-0 H2H that they held over the Eagles. I have no problem with the NCHA getting an auto bid. They qualify under NCAA rules, so why shouldn't they?
They have the same thing on the men's side. Two eastern conferences get auto-bids and are almost always (maybe it is always) the lowest two seeds in the tourney. As they say, if you want to get in for sure, win your conference. Middlebury (and Trinity on the men's side) found out that if you leave it to the committee.....
By the way, I never questioned the 4/4 split. My surprise was that Middlebury didn't replace Elmira due to the 2-0 H2H that they held over the Eagles. I have no problem with the NCHA getting an auto bid. They qualify under NCAA rules, so why shouldn't they?