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DIII game notes

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spwood said:
So let me see if I have this straight... Middlebury moves up in losing to Plattsburgh while Adrian drops down for having the same weekend? I know the scores of the Plattsburgh games was 5-0 and 2-1, but Middlebury got to play Plattsburgh at home, while Adrian had a little bit of travel for the game. Maybe the westerners claiming bias all this years are actually onto something...:rolleyes:
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OR alternatively ...... Adrian got hammered by Plattsburgh and then barely got by Utica (a team which got hammered by Middlebury, lost twice to Buffalo State, and barely beat William Smith) while Middlebury beat up on Utica and then barely lost to Plattsburgh (albeit at home with favorable refereeing). Based on these results, shouldn't Adrian be below Middllebury? Adrian hasn't beaten any team of significance that I can see (maybe Lake Forest).
 
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HockeyEast33 said:
OR alternatively ...... Adrian got hammered by Plattsburgh and then barely got by Utica (a team which got hammered by Middlebury, lost twice to Buffalo State, and barely beat William Smith) while Middlebury beat up on Utica and then barely lost to Plattsburgh (albeit at home with favorable refereeing). Based on these results, shouldn't Adrian be below Middllebury? Adrian hasn't beaten any team of significance that I can see (maybe Lake Forest).
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I had logged in to make a similar point. I think that what happened with the voters is Adrian was highly rated nationally because of their record against other western teams. Now they've played two eastern teams, one usually at the top of the polls [Plattsburgh] and one that tends to hover between the lower ranks on the poll or the "also getting votes" section [Utica]. Having trekked east to see how they measure up against ranked eastern teams, the voters in the polls got a more direct comparison and ranked them accordingly. They went from hypothetical comparisons to seeing them on the ice. Since the start of 15-16 Adrian has played Elmira twice, Plattsburgh twice, Utica, Stevenson and Manhattanville and are 4-3 against these eastern opponents in that span and only one came against a team that was ranked at the time. Given the games this weekend I think 5 is fair.
 
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Plattsburgh rolls up Potsdam 5-0 on the hat trick from Melissa Sheeran. Meneghin and Crandell each with two assists on the day and shots were 56-11.
 
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Plattsburgh wins 5-0 over Potsdam
Middlebury splits the series with Conn College (3-1, 1-3)
Elmira ties Norwich 2-2
Adrian sweeps the series with Marian
River Falls blows out UWS and CSS by a combined 15-0
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
Plattsburgh wins 5-0 over Potsdam
Middlebury splits the series with Conn College (3-1, 1-3)
Elmira ties Norwich 2-2
Adrian sweeps the series with Marian
River Falls blows out UWS and CSS by a combined 15-0
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Yikes. My daughter and the Concordia Cobbers have River Falls first weekend in January at their home rink. Safe to say a split would be fantastic.
 
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I don't know if this was brought up here previously, but I just stumbled across the Annual Report from the DIII Women's Ice Hockey Committee way back in June

Highlights:

The "One In Four" rule was confirmed, so the Highest Seeded Western Team who makes it to the Final Four and has adequate facilities will host the Championship this season. Also, video replay will be used at the Championship site, and the Committee expressed co to use support for making the DI and DIII WIH Championships a combined event at a predetermined site.

The increase from 8 to 9 teams was rejected by the Championship Committee, so the DIII WIH Committee asked them to reconsider. (But the men were approved to go from 11 to 12)

In the event the WIH Championships and MIH QFs have the potential to conflict (à la Plattsburgh 2015), the school has to announce BEFORE the brackets are made which they would prefer to host.
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
I don't know if this was brought up here previously, but I just stumbled across the Annual Report from the DIII Women's Ice Hockey Committee way back in June

Highlights:

The "One In Four" rule was confirmed, so the Highest Seeded Western Team who makes it to the Final Four and has adequate facilities will host the Championship this season. Also, video replay will be used at the Championship site, and the Committee expressed co to use support for making the DI and DIII WIH Championships a combined event at a predetermined site.

The increase from 8 to 9 teams was rejected by the Championship Committee, so the DIII WIH Committee asked them to reconsider. (But the men were approved to go from 11 to 12)

In the event the WIH Championships and MIH QFs have the potential to conflict (à la Plattsburgh 2015), the school has to announce BEFORE the brackets are made which they would prefer to host.
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Absolute garbage to reject going from 8 to 9 teams if they're at the access ratio.
 
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Scott_TG said:
Absolute garbage to reject going from 8 to 9 teams if they're at the access ratio.
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Isn't there a January meeting where they can revisit these issues? I thought I'd read somewhere that they were going to look to expand the season to allow for exhibition games/scrimmages to align with other DIII sports at a January meeting. Do they revisit other issues at that time as well?
 
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Call It said:
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-iii-womens-poll/

River Falls received 1 first place vote!!! Hopefully more votes to come.

Endicott received 3 votes, really? If you glance at their numbers (i.e. record, goals for & against) you might be impressed but look at their opponents. Thus 3 votes, Really?!
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And in the d3hockey.com poll it was Elmira who got the one first place vote Plattsburgh didn't get. What I thought was strange about this week's polls is Middlebury fell 3 spots in both due to the split with Connecticut College who was ranked 8/9 at the time, but Connecticut only gained one spot in USCHO poll and no movement in the d3hockey one. Why does Middlebury get that penalized but Connecticut not benefit?

As for UW-River Falls getting more first place votes, if Plattsburgh holds steady I can't see the pollsters giving the first place votes they've been giving to Platty to them. I think the determining factor in that comparison so far is the SOS and the KRACH numbers back that up with River Falls all the way at 25.
 
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In the Karch rankings, how does Platt have an SOS Rank of 1?

In the D3hockey poll, who are the 15 coaches voting?

I feel like today's poll and the end of the season polls are going to look much different. Oswego & UMass Boston are not going to be in the top 10 but who will take their place? Several teams under performed first semester and several over performed.
 
Call It said:
In the Karch rankings, how does Platt have an SOS Rank of 1?

In the D3hockey poll, who are the 15 coaches voting?

I feel like today's poll and the end of the season polls are going to look much different. Oswego & UMass Boston are not going to be in the top 10 but who will take their place? Several teams under performed first semester and several over performed.
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The SOS on that table is the average KRACH Rating of each game'a opponent. Yes, Plattsburgh has played William Smith, Neumann, and Castleton. But everyone has some weak teams on their schedule. That's counteract by playing Oswegox2 (current KRACH #2), Adrian (current KRACH #3), Middlebury, and Norwich. Nothing is manipulated to favor one team over another. Their mathematical calculation says that Plattsburgh has played the most difficult schedule to date.

As for how things shake out with Oswego, if they can sustain their current level of play, I think they will finish in the top 10. But that's just my opinion. You are free to disagree.
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
Their mathematical calculation says that Plattsburgh has played the most difficult schedule to date.
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It's ironic that Platt has SOS 1 because they can't play themselves. I could see the math adding up to having them at 2 but whatever just weird. And if Oswego is 2 and they played Platt 2x than the other teams were ranked really low.
 
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Call It said:
It's ironic that Platt has SOS 1 because they can't play themselves. I could see the math adding up to having them at 2 but whatever just weird. And if Oswego is 2 and they played Platt 2x than the other teams were ranked really low.
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So this is all new to me (kid's a freshman!). Is the rank just that: a statistical ranking of teams based on the data? It seems that some teams aren't on there yet, do they get added at a later date as the season progresses and they meet some minimum criteria?
 
GTOWN said:
So this is all new to me (kid's a freshman!). Is the rank just that: a statistical ranking of teams based on the data? It seems that some teams aren't on there yet, do they get added at a later date as the season progresses and they meet some minimum criteria?
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The USCHO.com and D3Hockey.com rankings are just a bunch of Coaches, ADs, and journalists voting on who they think the top 10 teams are. The KRACH is a mathematical calculation of what the probability one team beats a given other based on past performance this season and strength of schedule, and then calculates an estimated Winning Percentage for each team is everybody in DIII Hockey played everybody else an equal number of times.

The one thing that all 3 of those rankings have in common is that they don't have ANY impact on playoffs. Only the NCAA Rankings, which is a bunch of administrators debating via conference call for a few hours in February/March about who beats whom in each of the given criteria and where they should therefore be ranked. That ranking determines At-Large bids into the NCAA Tournament and seeding in the Tounament itself. All other rankings are just something for us to talk about.
 
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