DIII game notes

[MND3Dad]

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Small issue with KRACH is it is somewhat dependent on rankings going into season. There's a thread on MN HS board which uses a different computer algorithm which the author calls LSQRANK. Seems to be slightly less biased. Generally KRACH works itself out over the course of the season, but because there just isn't enough crossover play between East and West, we don't know if MIAC, WIAC, and NCHA teams stack up against Eastern teams. So because of the initial rankings, the western teams look worse as a whole.

And as pointed out, it doesn't matter in the long run, as eventually Plattsburgh just wins. But it would be fun if there were more crossover play so you could tell if mid-level West division teams were as good as mid-level East teams, because I don't think KRACH really tells that tale well. I do believe that teams in the West are ranked lower on KRACH than they probably should be.

 

[GTOWN]

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How come some teams don't appear on the KRACH rankings? Morrisville comes to mind. Having a very good season (9-2) but not showing up?

 

[shelfit]

How come some teams don't appear on the KRACH rankings? Morrisville comes to mind. Having a very good season (9-2) but not showing up?

Probably because their schedule is so weak. When you play teams like Salem State, Nichols, Canton, Plymouth State, etc, you're not exactly playing a tough schedule. The only decent team they've beaten is Hamilton.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

How come some teams don't appear on the KRACH rankings? Morrisville comes to mind. Having a very good season (9-2) but not showing up?

Eliminating the DI and DII teams that play DIII schedules (games against them don't count for anything except your 25-game limit in a season, that leaves: Morrisville, Johnson & Wales, Salem State, Becker, Lebanon Valley, and Northland. All of whom are playing their 1st or 2nd season Women's Ice Hockey. In fact, of teams who only started playing in 2015 or 2016, I believe that only Endicott made the list.

So it may just be somebody forgot to put them into the list... but that leaves the question of whether their absence affects the actual result, or if they are somehow implemented in the calculation but just not displayed.

 

[Birdwatcher]

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Eliminating the DI and DII teams that play DIII schedules (games against them don't count for anything except your 25-game limit in a season, that leaves: Morrisville, Johnson & Wales, Salem State, Becker, Lebanon Valley, and Northland. All of whom are playing their 1st or 2nd season Women's Ice Hockey. In fact, of teams who only started playing in 2015 or 2016, I believe that only Endicott made the list.

So it may just be somebody forgot to put them into the list... but that leaves the question of whether their absence affects the actual result, or if they are somehow implemented in the calculation but just not displayed.

They may not yet be considered DIII teams. Cannot say for sure though.

 

[shelfit]

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How come some teams don't appear on the KRACH rankings? Morrisville comes to mind. Having a very good season (9-2) but not showing up?

Morrisville beats powerhouse Potsdam tonight...put Morrisville in the top 10!

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

They may not yet be considered DIII teams. Cannot say for sure though.

All of them are from Institutions who are full members of DIII, so my understanding is that they should be full-fledged programs automatically. I think Canton (who is listed) is either a full member as of this year or is on the last year of their wait.

 

[hieronymus]

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http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-iii-womens-poll/

River Falls received 1 first place vote!!! Hopefully more votes to come.

Endicott received 3 votes, really? If you glance at their numbers (i.e. record, goals for & against) you might be impressed but look at their opponents. Thus 3 votes, Really?!

I'll readily admit I'm a West Fan and while UWRF is a good team this year they are not #1. Mostly likely not even the best team in the West. They are inconsistent right now and their scoring depth has yet to emerge. I do think they will improve as the year goes on but they could also suffer some losses while they are figuring things out that could cost them an NCAA bid given there is no auto-bid for them. Period to period they are like Jekyll and Hyde. Dominating for stretches and then looking like they just put skates on for the first time for a few minutes. UWEC made them look very average just a few weeks ago and while UWEC is improved they are a middle of the road team.

If UWRF can avoid the let downs and get a bit more scoring from outside their top line they should have a shot a the Final Four again. Not sure they compete with the best in the East but in a one and done anything is possible.

 

[Call It]

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I'll readily admit I'm a West Fan and while UWRF is a good team this year they are not #1. Mostly likely not even the best team in the West. They are inconsistent right now and their scoring depth has yet to emerge. I do think they will improve as the year goes on but they could also suffer some losses while they are figuring things out that could cost them an NCAA bid given there is no auto-bid for them. Period to period they are like Jekyll and Hyde. Dominating for stretches and then looking like they just put skates on for the first time for a few minutes. UWEC made them look very average just a few weeks ago and while UWEC is improved they are a middle of the road team.

If UWRF can avoid the let downs and get a bit more scoring from outside their top line they should have a shot a the Final Four again. Not sure they compete with the best in the East but in a one and done anything is possible.

I agree with your assessment and I really can't figure it out. Hopefully they figure it out by February. They are one of the teams that I believe really under performed first semester.

 

[icehawk]

I'll readily admit I'm a West Fan and while UWRF is a good team this year they are not #1. Mostly likely not even the best team in the West. They are inconsistent right now and their scoring depth has yet to emerge. I do think they will improve as the year goes on but they could also suffer some losses while they are figuring things out that could cost them an NCAA bid given there is no auto-bid for them. Period to period they are like Jekyll and Hyde. Dominating for stretches and then looking like they just put skates on for the first time for a few minutes. UWEC made them look very average just a few weeks ago and while UWEC is improved they are a middle of the road team.

If UWRF can avoid the let downs and get a bit more scoring from outside their top line they should have a shot a the Final Four again. Not sure they compete with the best in the East but in a one and done anything is possible.

Will you be at the Concordia series? My wife and I are taking the 400 mile trek for the games.

 

[spwood]

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I don't know if this was brought up here previously, but I just stumbled across the Annual Report from the DIII Women's Ice Hockey Committee way back in June

Highlights:

The "One In Four" rule was confirmed, so the Highest Seeded Western Team who makes it to the Final Four and has adequate facilities will host the Championship this season. Also, video replay will be used at the Championship site, and the Committee expressed co to use support for making the DI and DIII WIH Championships a combined event at a predetermined site.

Not a fan of this one... hate to see the DIII game swallowed up by the D1 weekend. Also, are the DI rinks bigger than the DIII rinks? If so, I'd really hate to see a completely new circumstance affect the Phinal Phour...

The increase from 8 to 9 teams was rejected by the Championship Committee, so the DIII WIH Committee asked them to reconsider. (But the men were approved to go from 11 to 12)

I assume the ratio numbers weren't here for this one...

In the event the WIH Championships and MIH QFs have the potential to conflict (à la Plattsburgh 2015), the school has to announce BEFORE the brackets are made which they would prefer to host.

The school has to announce before the bracket is named or before the teams are selected? Either way, I would hate to think this information would affect whether a team got in the tourney or not...

 

[shelfit]

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Norwich is leading Amherst 1-0 but is being outshot 14-1 by Amherst? Am I reading this correctly?

Edit: Norwich now has 4 shots on goal.

Edit 2: Norwich leads 2-0 after one period with only 8 shots on goal! Not good for Amherst.

 

[hieronymus]

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Not a fan of this one... hate to see the DIII game swallowed up by the D1 weekend. Also, are the DI rinks bigger than the DIII rinks? If so, I'd really hate to see a completely new circumstance affect the Phinal Phour...

I'm with you here. Before they move on this one I think they would be wise to see what various players might think. The people I know that have played like it being their own tournament. They get their locker room (no moving), get nice practice times and are treated like they are the main attraction, not the warm up act for the D1 players.

 

[shelfit]

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I'm with you here. Before they move on this one I think they would be wise to see what various players might think. The people I know that have played like it being their own tournament. They get their locker room (no moving), get nice practice times and are treated like they are the main attraction, not the warm up act for the D1 players.

Agreed! D1 and D3 have separate recruiting rules, they are separate levels of play, therefore they should have separate tournaments! D3 should not be the add-on feature to the D1 weekend and we all know that's exactly how it would be treated.

 

[hieronymus]

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Will you be at the Concordia series? My wife and I are taking the 400 mile trek for the games.

I hope to attend the Concordia/UWRF games. Know a couple kids from both teams. Should be a good match up.

 

[CrossCheck]

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Morrisville beats powerhouse Potsdam tonight...put Morrisville in the top 10!

ok, now this is funny...Here's Morrisville...what?? A school nobody has ever heard of...even if you're from NY. They've had a team for like 2 minutes....and well, good for them, they are winning [not exactly Daniel Webster]...but they have 14 non US players...mostly Canadian....I'm sure the financial aid police will be shutting this one down very soon [as they clearly should]...is playing D3 womens hockey really that important????

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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ok, now this is funny...Here's Morrisville...what?? A school nobody has ever heard of...even if you're from NY. They've had a team for like 2 minutes....and well, good for them, they are winning [not exactly Daniel Webster]...but they have 14 non US players...mostly Canadian....I'm sure the financial aid police will be shutting this one down very soon [as they clearly should]

and why exactly should they? Curious here...and Morrisville was actually a very very very Top JUCO school for many years and was very very competitive at the JUCO level in hockey. They also have a pretty big booth at the NYS Fair and do a lot in Central NY...just FYI....

...is playing D3 womens hockey really that important????

Probably more important than trolling a DIII womens hockey board wondering what these young ladies want to do with their college careers. So glad you can make those decisions for them....

 

[whalers97]

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Agreed! D1 and D3 have separate recruiting rules, they are separate levels of play, therefore they should have separate tournaments! D3 should not be the add-on feature to the D1 weekend and we all know that's exactly how it would be treated.

Other NCAA sports combine tournaments with Division I Championship venues or cities (field hockey and lacrosse come to mind) and the interest, intrigue and attendance certainly aids all divisions. (Don't have statistics at hand but I would be interested to see them if anybody can dig them up.) For those who have never seen Division III games, especially at the highest level, combined Championships are a great avenue for better exposure given the low number of NCAA women's hockey programs relative to so many other collegiate sports. There are only so many Division I spots, after all, and a Division I game to a 10-year-old girl can be equally as exciting as a Division III game when a championship is on the line. Combining venues/locations would help grow the game, in that line of thinking.

Treated as an add-on feature? Can't speak to that point until it's proven one way or the other.

 

[shelfit]

Other NCAA sports combine tournaments with Division I Championship venues or cities (field hockey and lacrosse come to mind) and the interest, intrigue and attendance certainly aids all divisions. (Don't have statistics at hand but I would be interested to see them if anybody can dig them up.) For those who have never seen Division III games, especially at the highest level, combined Championships are a great avenue for better exposure given the low number of NCAA women's hockey programs relative to so many other collegiate sports. There are only so many Division I spots, after all, and a Division I game to a 10-year-old girl can be equally as exciting as a Division III game when a championship is on the line. Combining venues/locations would help grow the game, in that line of thinking.

Treated as an add-on feature? Can't speak to that point until it's proven one way or the other.

So who do you think will have the prime time schedule during the championship weekend?! The D3 games would be in the afternoon while the D1 games would be at night. Don't kid yourself that it would be any other way.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

So who do you think will have the prime time schedule during the championship weekend?! The D3 games would be in the afternoon while the D1 games would be at night. Don't kid yourself that it would be any other way.

Yea because DIII hockey is so huge in St Charles Missouri. They would probably let them play between periods like youth hockey does. DIII Women's hockey hardly gets the fans as is. Why make the ones who follow their team all season travel cross country to be second fiddle to someone else. The only combining that should be entertained is DIII Men and Women.

This is the same NCAA who wont fly a couple teams in the first round to make a more fair bracket, but would be willing to fly FOUR just to go to someone elses Final Four? Or are we going back to the Championship game only during the FF?