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Diet and Exercise 2011: Better Than This.

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Second century ride is now in the books (done Sunday). 115 miles of hilly hell in SE MN / W wisco in about 8 1/2 hours. The MN side was definitely a more enjoyable ride than the sconni side (US 61 has a wider shoulder and easier hills). Enduring 5-10% grade climbs after already having gone 80 miles was a bit much. :p
 
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Second century ride is now in the books (done Sunday). 115 miles of hilly hell in SE MN / W wisco in about 8 1/2 hours. The MN side was definitely a more enjoyable ride than the sconni side (US 61 has a wider shoulder and easier hills). Enduring 5-10% grade climbs after already having gone 80 miles was a bit much. :p

Was this an organized event, or just something you did on your own? Either way, nice work. :)


In other news, I finally pulled the trigger and invested in a Garmin. I love that thing, but I think I spent more time on my 12 yesterday staring at it rather than actually running. I also tried a new fueling tactic, basically copying what my sister does. Instead of Gu, I used Hammer Endurolyte tablets and then just a simple source of sugar (in this case, a few gummy candies). Seemed to work, and I definitely felt better after the run and throughout the day, but as I hit a kind of wall again around 9 I'm wondering if maybe I needed to take in just a bit more.
2 weeks out. I'm rethinking my breaking 1:45 goal and aiming to be in the 1:46:anything range. It'll still be SIGNIFICANTLY faster than last year, and I hit a 1:48 while holding back a bit back in May, so I think that's a reasonable goal.
 
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Was this an organized event, or just something you did on your own? Either way, nice work. :)


In other news, I finally pulled the trigger and invested in a Garmin. I love that thing, but I think I spent more time on my 12 yesterday staring at it rather than actually running. I also tried a new fueling tactic, basically copying what my sister does. Instead of Gu, I used Hammer Endurolyte tablets and then just a simple source of sugar (in this case, a few gummy candies). Seemed to work, and I definitely felt better after the run and throughout the day, but as I hit a kind of wall again around 9 I'm wondering if maybe I needed to take in just a bit more.
2 weeks out. I'm rethinking my breaking 1:45 goal and aiming to be in the 1:46:anything range. It'll still be SIGNIFICANTLY faster than last year, and I hit a 1:48 while holding back a bit back in May, so I think that's a reasonable goal.

Not that I actually know anything about running, but.

We've used HR monitors for a few years now, and when I started, I really looked into useing them effectively. There are a ton of articles on line about effort, and the point of training- some referencing HR and effort directly, some indirectly, some not at all- but with precieved effort.

Here's how I've read them.

First of all, you can work too hard depending one what you are doing. If you are doing an aerobic work out, especially for a long time, it really does you no good to exceed your aerobic effort for the whole time- hills and sprints are ok if you recover. That comes out to roughly 80% max heart rate (which varies vs. age and sex).

Second, when focusing on a specific thing- you need to keep the rate in the correct range. If you are doing speed work, you need to know if you are shooting for a longish 90%, a short 95%, or a 100% sprint. (mostly hitting the rate at the end of the cycle). If you don't reach the range, the intended improvement may not be what you hope.

It will take a while to translate HR to effort, but based on my observations of me and others, generally, we under estimate effort.

So, how does this translate into 'diva's situation (again, IMHO...).

One of the big problems with running long distances is the ability to store enough energy to run. We've probably seen the estimate of 100cal/mile, which seems to be for a 130-150lb person. I'm closer to 140/mi. But the important thing is that we seem to be able to eat and store about 2000 cal on an immediate basis- even with the best of carb loading. So most people will be 600-1000 cal short. And it appears that the faster you run (more effort, really) the faster you run out of gas.

But fat stores 3000cal/lb, right? And even the best of the best atheletes are 3-5% fat (I'm closer to 20%). Which means that if you can get just ONE lb of fat metabolized into energy, you can run a marathon on that. From what I read, it's your liver that does that. Simple. The problem is that it takes considerable O2 to do that. And if you run too hard, you don't have enough excess air to metabolize fat at a high enough rate.

Here's an interesting connection- from what I can tell, HR is a very good reflection of O2 effort.

Putting all of the documents I've read together, IF you can keep your HR in an aerobic zone, you can keep your liver metabolizing fat. This is one reason you see the "fat burn" zone on machines. Although, those tend to be in the 60% HR range, I think aerobic zone is quite good at fat burning too.

Now putting this all together, and reading between the lines on a lot of the training plans......

The MAIN goal of the long distance runs is to train your body to metabolize your fat and use it as energy to run with. Run too fast, and you can get in better shape, but the effect of improvement isn't as good.

So, 'diva. Now that you have a Garmin, when you are doing your long run, you should do your best to keep your HR below 80% Max.

You may start out slow, but I read an older article about a world class runner who had issues, and decided to try this method. He was at about 5min/mi, and immdeiately had to slow to 9min/mi. He did panic, but didn't abandon it, and eventually ended up faster than he was before, and was a much better marathoner.

Again, there's little that has all of that in one place, and this is mostly based on my conclusions reading and thinking too much about running. But it seems to work.

YMMV.

IMHO.

Good luck.
 
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Went out for 14 miles on Saturday and felt pretty good. Only needed 2 GU and a bottle of Gatorade. However, I noticed a couple things I need to improve:

1. Keep my head up; otherwise, my head bounces around and my shoulders tighten up.

2. I've lost a couple steps. My pace is now 12:25/mile, though I wonder if it's a result of coming back from my hamstring injury.

3. Even though TNT puts aid out every 2-3 miles, I noticed I can't stop to take aid. Every time I do, it's a pain to get restarted.

Saturday, I'm going out for 16-18. Could reach 20 miles the first weekend of September.
 
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Was this an organized event, or just something you did on your own? Either way, nice work. :)
I did that ride with my coworker who occasionally bikes with me (it was her first century ride, and the hills absolutely destroyed her - she had to walk up some of them).
In other news, I finally pulled the trigger and invested in a Garmin. I love that thing, but I think I spent more time on my 12 yesterday staring at it rather than actually running.
If I don't get better at choosing what I want to see on my Node display, I'll probably crash into something one of these days. Depending on the nature of my route, I either have my current speed and elevation/grade displayed, or I have my speed / trip odometer / HR.

Alfa - the main thing I've seen re: HR is the lactic threshold and how that applies to interval training: http://www.usatriathlon.org/resourc...tanding-lactate-threshold-heart-rate-training

I have yet to attempt this sort of training, but I did actually go to the trouble of coming up with a reasonable estimate of my LTHR (it's in the 155-160 range; not sure what my max rate is, but highest recorded so far is 182).
 
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Alfa - the main thing I've seen re: HR is the lactic threshold and how that applies to interval training: http://www.usatriathlon.org/resourc...tanding-lactate-threshold-heart-rate-training

I have yet to attempt this sort of training, but I did actually go to the trouble of coming up with a reasonable estimate of my LTHR (it's in the 155-160 range; not sure what my max rate is, but highest recorded so far is 182).

That looks to be a good one- here's another I liked- http://www.marathonguide.com/training/articles/HeartMonitorTraining.cfm

I tried to find the original article I found, but if you use HR monitor, training, and marathon in google now, you see TONS of articles.

What I like is that you can make sure that you can be more specific in the workouts- speed- then go for max VO2max or lactic threshold, distance- right at aerobic limit, just running/recovery- try to keep below aerobic limit.

While I would love to spout that they work great, the only season that I've been right on top of it was last spring, when I lowered my half marathon by about 10 min to under 2:00. I had also gotten to my weight low of 172. Now, I'm struggling with weight, which is why I think I'm so slow (relatively), and have to do non-impact training with the stress fracture.

I'm still a big fan of the HR monitor, though. I have seen the results of being too high too many times.

Not that anyone cares...

FOR ME.. ( a 44 year old male, a little overweight) (this is a late edit)

Long run- ~140BPM
Race run- 150-155 (I can sustain that for a long time)
Lactic threshold- ~160-168
VO2max- 165-172.
Max I've seen is 182, and what's really interesting is that after a LONG run- for instance at the closing sprint of a half, I max out closer to 175. So remaining energy has a lot to do with the ranges.
 
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Hmm. I did end up with the 110 with HR capabilities, and I have 2 more halves on the docket for this year. It is worth trying.

Normally, I do try to take longer runs at a slower pace, but I was dumb the past few weeks and tried to cram them in before a 10am shift, thus making me feel I need to go about it snappy and get it done. Note to self--stop that.
 
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I wish I could get back to that point. After swearing off soda for Lent in 2010 I didn't have any for the rest of the year, then lapsed early this year. Starting to do better, drinking soda primarily only on travel days. Though still have plenty of liquid calories from various fruit juices..
Yeah my hot intern certainly helped with the motivation. Now I am working on all the rest of sugar.
BTW have you always been in Bridgewater? Not too often I see BH20 or Brockton on the board.

After I finished, I had some water. I was starting to feel queasy, but I didn't think much of it because it happens to me sometimes after I go long. Well, it started getting worse and worse throughout the morning and I started having dizziness, a headache, and trouble focusing. Basically, I felt like I had been drinking and I was hitting the bad end of the night. I wound up getting sick and sending myself home from work. Got home, slept, and spent the rest of the day feeling like I had a horrible hangover. In talking to my mom, what happened is that I had a reaction to the Gu I used (which I later noticed had expired and I threw the rest of it away) and was crazy dehydrated. My sister had been having the same reactions whenever she used Gu (or any gel, for that matter) and she started using Endurolyte pills and a small serving of sugar/honey on her long stuff instead. So, I'm going to give that strategy a whirl on a 10 next week to see how it goes, and I'll roll from there.

YIKES! Lately Pedilite has been my new best friend. I don't drink it often but it is very weird, when I am deydrated it will go down like nothing, and once my body is back to normal it is super gross. And I saw someone using it at my last Strongman thing....guess the word is getting out.

Went out for 14 miles on Saturday and felt pretty good. Only needed 2 GU and a bottle of Gatorade. However, I noticed a couple things I need to improve:

1. Keep my head up; otherwise, my head bounces around and my shoulders tighten up.

2. I've lost a couple steps. My pace is now 12:25/mile, though I wonder if it's a result of coming back from my hamstring injury.

3. Even though TNT puts aid out every 2-3 miles, I noticed I can't stop to take aid. Every time I do, it's a pain to get restarted.

Saturday, I'm going out for 16-18. Could reach 20 miles the first weekend of September.

Sweet, I may even be in town the weekend of the Marathon......of course pending work sending me someplace.



So I went into the gym for the first time in a month. It has been the summer of S$CK for sure. Anyways, front squats were on the board, and I was like "oh I dunno, don't expect a big lift out of me today". Ended up with a 205 front squat that felt **** good for a 15lb PR. If only I could figure out how to get my weight loss to go as well as my lifting gains. Sigh.....
 
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Yeah my hot intern certainly helped with the motivation. Now I am working on all the rest of sugar.
BTW have you always been in Bridgewater? Not too often I see BH20 or Brockton on the board.

No, I was only in Bridgewater for a few years, and have been gone for a year or two now. Now, I travel around alot, currently spending most of my time in Germany until the end of the year, and Amesbury, MA when back in the states.

I've been awful with the sugar lately, especially this week, but today for example I took in 1600 calories and burned about 2500 so as long as I stay under like that I am not all too concerned but still want to cut soda out of the diet.
 
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I admit that I've been awful with the sugar lately as well, and it's worse because I've been baking up a storm. However, I've finally managed to kick artificial sweeteners, including chewing gum, and now am phasing out white sugar so I can replace it with truly natural sugar, like honey or agave nectar.

And I've also had problems with the GU lately; had the same symptoms 'diva had on Saturday. I think I'll be switching to Clif Bloks or Hammer gel soon...
 
Re: Diet and Exercise 2011: Better Than This.

I admit that I've been awful with the sugar lately as well, and it's worse because I've been baking up a storm. However, I've finally managed to kick artificial sweeteners, including chewing gum, and now am phasing out white sugar so I can replace it with truly natural sugar, like honey or agave nectar.

And I've also had problems with the GU lately; had the same symptoms 'diva had on Saturday. I think I'll be switching to Clif Bloks or Hammer gel soon...

Hammer Endurolytes. They're tablets, take them with some water and some kind of simple sugar (honey, a gummy candy, anything). I tried that and it worked very well for me. :)
 
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Hammer Endurolytes. They're tablets, take them with some water and some kind of simple sugar (honey, a gummy candy, anything). I tried that and it worked very well for me. :)
Thanks 'diva. I'll check them out online, but for this week, I'll try Clif shots.

Also, I have reached the point where long runs are easy and my easy runs are hard. :rolleyes:
 
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Man, being injured is hard.

Forget the actual injury- the recovery is difficult.

First, there's the resting. I think I enjoy actually working out- must be the runner high, or whatever you call that. But the tired and sweat does feel good. So I miss that.

On a related note to resting- eating. Reduction in working out means reduction in eating so that I don't gain weight. That's a lot harder than it seems, esecially since it seems that my body takes a long time to slow down, and I'm hungry even though I'm not working out. So I need to find something to not be hungry, but not add calories.

next, the recovery work. So you try some things that should not cause more injury or worsen what you have- great. But the next day, things that should be improving hurt. Depending on what's injured, you might be able to deal with it. Sometimes, it seems to be scary as heck. In my case, I've been stationary biking + some elliptical (both my doctor said was ok), and now I can feel where the stress fracture is. So that does that mean? Am I risking breaking it worse??? My wife was given an analogy once- are you picking at your scabs, which may cause the injury to not heal or making painful long term effects?

Anyway, so now I'm taking a whole week off prior to my Dr meeting next week. Gotta eat a whole lot less, since I'm buring ~5000 calories fewer a week.
 
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I admit that I've been awful with the sugar lately as well, and it's worse because I've been baking up a storm. However, I've finally managed to kick artificial sweeteners, including chewing gum, and now am phasing out white sugar so I can replace it with truly natural sugar, like honey or agave nectar.

And I've also had problems with the GU lately; had the same symptoms 'diva had on Saturday. I think I'll be switching to Clif Bloks or Hammer gel soon...

Doing a white sugar dump starting this week.....I should be fantastically unpleasant!
 
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Doing a white sugar dump starting this week.....I should be fantastically unpleasant!
Best wishes! I'm continuing my phase out this week as well, and I was told by my doctor to cut the midnight munchies. I'm up to 227, which is putting too much stress on my legs.
 
Re: Diet and Exercise 2011: Better Than This.

I admit that I've been awful with the sugar lately as well, and it's worse because I've been baking up a storm. However, I've finally managed to kick artificial sweeteners, including chewing gum, and now am phasing out white sugar so I can replace it with truly natural sugar, like honey or agave nectar.

Are artificial sweeteners in chewing gum that bad for you? I get the more pure you can take your intake the better things are... but in the trading of sins and vices I would have thought chewing gum was a net plus.

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I really ought to get back into this thread. Finally got back into the gym in the last month or so after my crazy sensitive project wrapped up (successfully). I cut back my lifting routine and I've been mostly programming for myself... keeping it simple... monday: squat, press (bench), wednesday: bench (press), deadlift, friday: , tues/thurs: nothing or bike sprints (1 on 1 off, do 10x). Still playing kickball on sundays though that tends to be a net negative (Bud Light). The "fall" season (late-October to mid-December) I decided to step up the kickball... I've started to get bored with it and I want to meet more people so I signed up for outdoor kickball (it'll be awesome when its 45 degrees) and indoor kickball on sundays.... two sessions indoor kickball on thursdays. I may also see if I can do some sprint work on the elevated track at the Y on thursdays. Anyhow... the decreased lifting volume I think has been a net benefit. I don't recover well and I think the fewer lifts allow my body to heal up and gain... I'm making seriously quick gains on the bench press (165 and increasing by 5s still... PR 182.5) and I'm clear into PR territory on the press (125 on Friday... multi-set PR... next time I press I should be breaking rep and set PRs at 127.5)

There's some additional things I ought to do... should go and see the doctor... went off my BP meds 'cause I was head deep in my career advancing project at work and I couldn't find the time to get around to it. To be honest, I don't want to go in 'cause I'm afraid of how much weight I may have put on. After I berate myself into the doctors next will be the dentist. I need a bunch of work done and I put it off for the project.... I just don't want to be berated by them for having done so.

On the other hand, with the work project, while I piled on an incredible amount of stress, just the reverse is occurring now. Having that off my back was a massive load off of me. I validated myself within the work place, within my field, validated my degree (which I didn't full feel I had earned), etc. I don't have to question my intrinsic worth anymore. Certainly finding moments where I can be more like myself. Still other things to work on in life... but its always an incremental thing. When you remove some barriers, some burdens, the rest become easier.

Current lifts...
SQ 210x5(reps)x3(sets) P(ersonal)B(est) 255x5x4, 280x2, 290x1
PR 125x5x3 PB 125x5, 127.5x3, 127.5x1 (with good form... I've done larger with bad form... these figures will be obliterated)
BP 165x5x3 PB 182.5x5x3
DL 250x5 PB 320x5
 
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Are artificial sweeteners in chewing gum that bad for you? I get the more pure you can take your intake the better things are... but in the trading of sins and vices I would have thought chewing gum was a net plus.
Artificial sweeteners give me an upset stomach and plenty of gas. Not only that, they deadened my palate and for awhile, I wasn't able to taste real sweetness.
 
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Unfortunately to keep the injury theme going...I was on a run almost 2 weeks ago that gave me some pain in my right foot. I thought it had healed as I was feeling pain free the past week or so. I was able to run pain free a couple of times last week. Yesterday in the monsoon here in NY, I had a 5k to run which went fine. But a couple of hours afterward it became apparent that my foot had not healed. I was forced by pain to go to the Doctor this afternoon and after a bunch of tests I was diagnosed with partial torn tendons. No running for a month and a walking boot for at least a week. :(
 
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After a few week hiatus, I'm back at the gym running and feeling (and doing) better than before, but I'm experiencing a curious pain. I don't think it's an injury... my butt hurts. Right gluteus maximus muscle really aches during day (not constantly, but after sitting for a long period during class or walking around alot). Thoughts on how to stretch/fix this?
 
Re: Diet and Exercise 2011: Better Than This.

After a few week hiatus, I'm back at the gym running and feeling (and doing) better than before, but I'm experiencing a curious pain. I don't think it's an injury... my butt hurts. Right gluteus maximus muscle really aches during day (not constantly, but after sitting for a long period during class or walking around alot). Thoughts on how to stretch/fix this?

this may be wrong, but I'll give it a shot. Check your posture and gait. Make sure that you are not twisting yourself to compensate for something.

The reason I mention this is that Mrs Alfa somehow got a buldged disk in her back, which would manifest itself as glute pain that would eventually run down the back of her leg. When she sat, the bulge would irritate the nerve going down the leg. Really bad in theater seats.

Hopefully, it's just a tired muscle for you, ewe. Stretching to get rid of tired muscles is easier than dealing with a pinched nerve.
 
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