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Diet and Exercise 2010: Whatever it takes

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ShirtlessBob said:
Ran for the first time in over a month and a half this morning, and it was liberating. Started with a 15 minute walk, then ran for 30 min, then walked for another 10.
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Even thought going thru the injury sucks, it sounds like taking it easy, with some active rest and you are not going to be too far from where you were.
Yeah!!!

Sloe Gin said:
first tri of the season tomorrow.

Went for a tuneup swim last night and it didn't go well. Kinda wondering if I should have skipped it...
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Wow so soon, kick ***!!!! I was thinking of going out to watch one tomorrow, but I have to see what the weather is going to be like. I have to do 10 miles tomorrow and if I wait till it gets too hot out I just wont do them.

MountieBoyOz said:
My fiance has gone into Weight Watchers (her work pays for it) and she's lost 20 lbs. She's gotten onto new meds for her thyroid. It looks like she's on her way. I've lost the weight I gained during the holidays and I'm back at 6'3" 259. I hate how it says I should be 177. I'd look like Paris Hilton at that weight. What should be right for me? I got a larger frame to work with so I would like a reference point. Thanks.
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Those target weights are usually not too far off, I have a bigger frame too so I know this all too well, you have to be careful at justifying with the "bigger frame" mentality. That being said if you are looking for a point of reference would think you could easily say 197 (give yourself some buffer) and then work from there.

Lots of lifting today.
Press for 1-1-1-1-1 maxed at 95
Push Press for 3-3-3-3-3 maxed out at 115
Push Jerk (finally came together for me today!) 5-5-5-5-5 maxed out at 125 and now I am spent! (yet thinking of going for a bike ride).
 
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winger said:
Those target weights are usually not too far off, I have a bigger frame too so I know this all too well, you have to be careful at justifying with the "bigger frame" mentality. That being said if you are looking for a point of reference would think you could easily say 197 (give yourself some buffer) and then work from there.

Lots of lifting today.
Press for 1-1-1-1-1 maxed at 95
Push Press for 3-3-3-3-3 maxed out at 115
Push Jerk (finally came together for me today!) 5-5-5-5-5 maxed out at 125 and now I am spent! (yet thinking of going for a bike ride).
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Just as most tables are "wrong" ideal weight is more a function skeletal structure and muscle mass. I think most of those tables (speculation) presumes a lean body type regardless of "frame".

6'3" 180 can be just as reasonable as 6'3" 200. In either case I'd worry about the 259 first :) Then maybe around 210-220 start looking for the finish line. :)

Of course I'm not one to talk... I'm floating between 283-285 at 5'8" :(

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Winger... "push jerk"... so basically you are jumping instead of just bending the knees?

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I know that women in general fear weightlifting because they don't want to look like the bodybuilders... in general they won't but I wonder if isn't a missed opportunity for women. I'd like to think that there's some people sitting out there who are missing their chance for an regional/national/olympic level opportunity because they fear looking like the guys working their chest and biceps? My thoughts on this are mostly down to the participation pool argument... shallow pool means a better opportunity.

Just a comment. My coach has been trying to goad various members of the all-female gym staff (coach is a coworker and fellow researcher... not a gym employee). There's one girl there that I swear would have the body type for something like this... but who knows.

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As for myself... missed all attempts at a press high single (current high double 130)... but I think I was still worn from Tuesday. Somehow I hit a 290 squat single but I don't know if I hit it to depth.
 
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Patman said:
Winger... "push jerk"... so basically you are jumping instead of just bending the knees?

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I know that women in general fear weightlifting because they don't want to look like the bodybuilders... in general they won't but I wonder if isn't a missed opportunity for women. I'd like to think that there's some people sitting out there who are missing their chance for an regional/national/olympic level opportunity because they fear looking like the guys working their chest and biceps? My thoughts on this are mostly down to the participation pool argument... shallow pool means a better opportunity.

Just a comment. My coach has been trying to goad various members of the all-female gym staff (coach is a coworker and fellow researcher... not a gym employee). There's one girl there that I swear would have the body type for something like this... but who knows.
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Yeah with the Push Jerk, it is similar to the push press, except you are also coming under the bar as well. So in theory on the heavier weights you dont have to travel as far with just your arms and finish the lift with your legs (providing your arms are locked out). I prob could of done a little more on the that last set, but it was alot of lifting and I was out of gas.

As for the women, he could do something like a 30 day challenge with them. Where they give it ago and see how they like it. Or trade, he gets them to lift for 30 days and he does spin or whatever.

I dunno, but I have to say I am far more interested in doing oly lifting than I EVER have doing the weights. I think because it is important you have to be dialed in and the whole body is involved. I dunno.

Some of it is prob the atmosphere at the gym too. Lifting in a social aspect like that is encoraging, especially when you get to the end of the set. And personally for me, as I work to get all this weight that I have gained over the last 5 years off, it is nice to have some positive days where I am killing it in the lifting categories, while I continue to work on (and struggle some days) on other fitness aspects.

I was trying to find a video on you tube of a crossfit chick lifting alot, both powerful and beautiful.

Sloe Gin said:
first tri of the season is in the books! :D
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NICE! I went and watched a tri today. I cant wait for next season! I think this week I am going to see if there are any masters swimming classes going on. Woot!
 
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alfablue said:
By the smile in your post, it went pretty well- yes?

Great Job!
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yes it did...waiting on the results...but unofficially, here they are:

600 meter swim - 13:33
T1 - 2:41.31 (don't know what happened there...)
14 mile bike - 52:10.47
T2 - 1:57.54
5K run - 32:28.14

Total? 1:42:50

Not bad at all. Felt a lot better about this race and most importantly, felt I respected both myself and the sport of triathlon a lot more this year.
 
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Sloe - nice job on the tri!

I did 80 miles on the IMoo course on Saturday and I can confirm what everyone already knows - it's a tough course!
 
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Patman said:
I know that women in general fear weightlifting because they don't want to look like the bodybuilders... in general they won't but I wonder if isn't a missed opportunity for women. I'd like to think that there's some people sitting out there who are missing their chance for an regional/national/olympic level opportunity because they fear looking like the guys working their chest and biceps? My thoughts on this are mostly down to the participation pool argument... shallow pool means a better opportunity.

Just a comment. My coach has been trying to goad various members of the all-female gym staff (coach is a coworker and fellow researcher... not a gym employee). There's one girl there that I swear would have the body type for something like this... but who knows.

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Really good article about just that: Top 10 Reasons Heavy Weights Don't Bulk Up the Female Athlete
 
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Sloe Gin said:
I'm glad you still have a vested interest in my fiancee. ;)
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pshha... everyone does. :D

Hope the training keeps going well! I know I've got to really hit the pavement hard after last week's vacation. Running in severe heat is NO fun, and FOOD (FOOOD) (FOOD) is important in Puerto Rico....

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The whole women and muscle thing- I so don't get the aversion to having muscles- as opposed to having flabby skin under your arms. At our Jazzercise classes, I'm very proud of my wife, as she's very well toned, and she also does lifting at the center at her work. She looks GOOOOOD.

It's not like we are talking body builder here, it's more about definition, and reduction of loose skin.

I honestly don't understand why women don't like that.

But that' not even addressing the whole idea that you won't build a huge amount of muscles anyway, unless you really work hard at it.

Call me confused. :confused:

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getting bulk is largely a side effect of a concentrated effort and genetics. People who hide behind the bulking affect as an excuse to stop working out are a combination of both lazy and ignorant.

Take a look at my genetics. These last few weeks for me have been without the gym at all, and I have lost weight as a result. It doesn't help my diet isn't in order, but over the past month I am down 5 lbs and probably over 10 lbs since the start of 2010. its not ideal, although I don't see any detriment to my skating or weight lifting. The goal is this; get to 180 or 190 again, increase the raw lifts significantly via proper diet.

Diet: 3500 calories daily - 200 g protein. The second one will be difficult as I can't drink milk or eat eggs. The goal is to consume lean meats, beans and whey supplements in order to achieve that number. As for calories, will be trying to consume as lean as possible - avoiding processed foods and the like.

Big Three: The big three lifts are somewhat arbitrary, but will suffice as baselines in order to measure progress. Flat bench, Squat, and Deadlift which are 225 lb, 330 lb and 385 lb or 920 lb total ( ratio of 5.4 for my BW). Thus the goal is to keep the ratio close while increasing the sum of the three over the next few months.

Routine maybe 20 rep squats, maybe something posted online. Plenty of resources.

my weight loss is roughly equivalent to others weight gain. I am not happy with it, so in honor of the threads title, its time to make some changes!
 
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Thanks for all the advice, guys. I am going to try to get to 220-230 range and go from there. I do have my wedding next July to get in shape for. I dropped a couple more pounds since last week so I'm at 257. The fiance has talked me into going to Zumba tomorrow with her. (Please don't make fun of me.) I've been swimming a lot so I think that's helping out. And I haven't been near fast food in a two weeks. If you have other tips, please shoot them my way. Thanks.

And Sloe... Good job on your tri, my friend.
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
Thanks for all the advice, guys. I am going to try to get to 220-230 range and go from there. I do have my wedding next July to get in shape for. I dropped a couple more pounds since last week so I'm at 257. The fiance has talked me into going to Zumba tomorrow with her. (Please don't make fun of me.) I've been swimming a lot so I think that's helping out. And I haven't been near fast food in a two weeks. If you have other tips, please shoot them my way. Thanks.
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I don't think all fast food is inherently evil - like everything else, it's all about making the right choices. Note that you can walk in anywhere and get their nutritional guide. You may get a few strange looks, but they are required to provide it.

I have noticed that there are a few places (um, hello McD) that no matter what the guide says, I can't eat it. As an example, I've lost ~60 lbs, and eaten at McD once in that time. I can't tell you how sick it made me feel. And this was after eating there maybe twice a week before...
 
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moose97 said:
I don't think all fast food is inherently evil - like everything else, it's all about making the right choices. Note that you can walk in anywhere and get their nutritional guide. You may get a few strange looks, but they are required to provide it.

I have noticed that there are a few places (um, hello McD) that no matter what the guide says, I can't eat it. As an example, I've lost ~60 lbs, and eaten at McD once in that time. I can't tell you how sick it made me feel. And this was after eating there maybe twice a week before...
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Hey moose, that's awesome. What did you do to lose the 60 lbs.? Just wanted to pick your brain?
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
Hey moose, that's awesome. What did you do to lose the 60 lbs.? Just wanted to pick your brain?
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I've told this story here before, but here you go:

A co-worker of mine lost 100 lbs. He entered a contest sponsered by Minnesota's Blue Cross and Blue Shield Do Groove, and was featured in a TV commercial:

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Shortly after this, I got an Android smartphone, and installed their Calorie Counter app, which does exactly what its name implies. You can looks food up by restaurant, scan bar codes, etc. They have versions of this for Blackberry and iPhone too. So, from there I set my RDI at 2000 calories, and stuck with it. I had set my goal at losing 35 lbs., but quickly surpassed that goal with little change in physical activity. I've shed the additional 25 by continuing with the "diet" (although, I really don't like to call it that - I've rather changed my eating habits, while mostly eating the same foods I ate before - as an example, one of my vices is microwaved burritos. They are 300 caolries each, and I used to have 4 at lunch time (1200 calories). Now I have just 2 (600 caolries) which still is likely too much...), and adding in biking and walking. I've been biking to work - 2 miles each way - all summer long.

Basically, the biggest changes have been to eat breakfast (I never used to), snack in the afternoon (~ 2:30 have something small - it'll keep you going, and keep you from eating too much at dinner, just like eating breakfast keeps you from eating too much at lunch) and control portions (don't go back for seconds). Do all that, and you should be fine. Add in the calorie counting, and you're golden!

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I also switched to diet soda, and more recently to water and tea. If you drink regular, and have a couple 20 oz. bottles a day, that can add up to 1/4 of your RDI right there. Something to think about. And before you say, "I could never switch because of taste," I was that way before I switched. Now, regular tastes way too sweet, and I can't imagine going back...
 
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moose97 said:
I've told this story here before, but here you go:

A co-worker of mine lost 100 lbs. He entered a contest sponsered by Minnesota's Blue Cross and Blue Shield Do Groove, and was featured in a TV commercial:

I also switched to diet soda, and more recently to water and tea. If you drink regular, and have a couple 20 oz. bottles a day, that can add up to 1/4 of your RDI right there. Something to think about. And before you say, "I could never switch because of taste," I was that way before I switched. Now, regular tastes way too sweet, and I can't imagine going back...
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Cool thanks for sharing.

Soda is my weakness, althought it is almost all gone. I had one this morning, I didnt even want it, and I havent bothered to get another one today. And I like that I am not sleepy.

With food that uses the HFC, it messes with your taste buds and it makes you crave sweeter things. Stop eating it so much and your tastebuds do return to normal levels and then fruit will be all the sweetness you need.

Stop drinking soda and you will find that ketchup is darn sweet.

I think the hardest thing about eating well (and also the scariest) is how abundant bad/ fake food is available. And how you have to go back to your hunter gather roots just to find some real food.

Oh the irony.
 
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Thanks guys. Moose, that's one hell of a story. I only drink diet soda and you are correct about regular tasting WAY too sweet. I've eat a lot more fruits and veggies. I drink water now as well.

I'm surprised no one is making fun of me for the Zumba thing yet. :D

Like I said, I've gone swimming a lot since the summer began. When it rains, I play my Wii Fit. I know it's gonna be hard, but I know I what I'm in for.
 
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