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Democratic Challengers 9: Can we climb this mountain? I don't know.

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trixR4kids said:
Most people don't want to stand around for hours to cast a vote and live in Iowa.
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these are two separate arguments, no?

but if they don't, then why is america wasting their collective time doing so :D
 
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Perez is on the hot seat after Iowa. Never should have been hired in the first place.
 
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mookie1995 said:
27,000 ……. people?!?!?!?!?!

flippin' celine dion shows get a bigger crowd.
and these folks are deciding who moves on and who drops out!?!?!? :confused:
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Agreed. No reason for anybody to drop out after absurd Iowa caucus event.

Having said that, I do question where all of these young people who are going to overwhelm the old world order *any day now* are actually going to do so. :confused: That's pretty much the rationale for the Sanders candidacy for example. Yet the Dem turnout was 170K by latest estimates compared to 160K in 2016 and 240K in 2008. So...what happened to all of these new voters taking back our country?

Finally while he's 4th on my list of preferred candidates we should give Buttigieg his due. I went back and looked at the polls leading up to the caucus to make sure I was remembering this right. It was true - ALL polling underestimated his vote by an average of 10%. This from the least well known candidate of the bunch.
 
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Rover said:
Having said that, I do question where all of these young people who are going to overwhelm the old world order *any day now* are actually going to do so. :confused:
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Your concern is noted. :)

The thing about The Kids is they will eventually bury us. It's a question of whether they'll let us destroy their planet first or whether they will eventually lose patience and bash our heads in with a shovel. I have already given my advice and registered them at Lowes.
 
Kepler said:
It's OK if they are representative.

Narrator: "They were not representative."
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You're right, they're more liberal than the average Democrat. And among that more liberal crowd, the centrists (Buttigeig, Klobuchar, and Biden) still beat out the progressives (Bernie, Warren, and Yang).

So what's that tell you?
 
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unofan said:
You're right, they're more liberal than the average Democrat. And among that more liberal crowd, the centrists (Buttigeig, Klobuchar, and Biden) still beat out the progressives (Bernie, Warren, and Yang).

So what's that tell you?
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That at least one of us is delusional.

Also, Yang isn't a progressive. He's on a different axis in the 8th dimension which only appears to us as a vaguely disturbing shade of orange.
 
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Kepler said:
That at least one of us is delusional.

Also, Yang isn't a progressive. He's on a different axis in the 8th dimension which only appears to us as a vaguely disturbing shade of orange.
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Iowa's not a bell curve state, it's a double hump state. The Republicans are evangelicals and standard common clay, people of the land (you know...). The dems, especially those willing to take 2-3 hours to caucus, are primarily college educated urbanites, academics from college towns,
or rural professionals. They're the ones who made us the 4th state in the country with gay marriage, added gender identity to the state's civil rights act 20 years ago, and has a campus in Iowa city that's farther left than all the Ivy Leagues but Brown.

And yes, we know you're delusional. I'm backed up by entrance polls. You're viewing it through the lens of someone who hasn't lived outside the beltway in what, 50 years? 100?
 
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Kepler said:
Your concern is noted. :)

The thing about The Kids is they will eventually bury us. It's a question of whether they'll let us destroy their planet first or whether they will eventually lose patience and bash our heads in with a shovel. I have already given my advice and registered them at Lowes.
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The turnout for young people was up 33% and turnout for olds was down.
 
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Kepler said:
Your concern is noted. :)

The thing about The Kids is they will eventually bury us. It's a question of whether they'll let us destroy their planet first or whether they will eventually lose patience and bash our heads in with a shovel. I have already given my advice and registered them at Lowes.
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I'm going to throw something out here for you to consider as a possibility. Is it possible that Bernie's appeal as a transformational leader is way overstated. Consider the following:

1) He went from almost 50% of the vote in Iowa last time to 25. So, half his supporters ditched him for someone else, even though he's the only repeat candidate in the field.

2) Turnout was the same as 2016, which would indicate he isn't bringing in the "disillusioned with Corporate Dems" crowd who haven't been participating in elections recently.

3) While's he's likely to win in NH, a neighboring state to his home base, he got like 55% of the vote last time. Today's he's polling in the mid to high 20's. Again, as the only repeat candidate, more than half of his voters from last time are choosing other candidates.

So, here's one theory. Sanders appeals to broke college kids. Then those kids graduate, get jobs, and their priorities change. But, a new generation of broke college kids come along and think socialism is the balls. Then they graduate, get jobs, and the cycle begins anew.

I have no problem storming Fort Plute with you guys, but don't tell me you've got a million person army behind me and then I turn around and see 20 stoners stumbling around instead. If the young are to overwhelm the system with uber liberalism, all I'm asking is that they actually show up and do so, if its not too much trouble....
 
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trixR4kids said:
Does somebody want to tell him or...?
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Tell him what? Shouldn’t matter if there are two candidates or four. His vote got cut in half. Them’s the facts.

His 2016 support isn’t as loyal as we were meant to believe.
 
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unofan said:
Iowa's not a bell curve state, it's a double hump state. The Republicans are evangelicals and standard common clay, people of the land (you know...). The dems, especially those willing to take 2-3 hours to caucus, are primarily college educated urbanites, academics from college towns,
or rural professionals. They're the ones who made us the 4th state in the country with gay marriage, added gender identity to the state's civil rights act 20 years ago, and has a campus in Iowa city that's farther left than all the Ivy Leagues but Brown.

And yes, we know you're delusional. I'm backed up by entrance polls. You're viewing it through the lens of someone who hasn't lived outside the beltway in what, 50 years? 100?
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I lived in a place more rural than you do up to 2.5 years ago.

Don't test your herpa-derp farm credit against me, boy.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Tell him what? Shouldn’t matter if there are two candidates or four. His vote got cut in half. Them’s the facts.
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Yeah it kinda matters when there are 2000 candidates and some of them are splitting the progressive vote instead of 2 lol. Whoever wins likely isn't going to have 50% of the vote.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Tell him what? Shouldn’t matter if there are two candidates or four. His vote got cut in half. Them’s the facts.

His 2016 support isn’t as loyal as we were meant to believe.
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In fairness trix is still in mourning. Worse yet he had a bazillion conspiracy theories ginned up to explain how Sanders got screwed out of his big night, only to find that Sanders benefitted from the media not covering him being the runner up. If anybody should be upset about how this all went down its Buttigieg.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Yeah it kinda matters when there are 2000 candidates and some of them are splitting the progressive vote instead of 2 lol. Whoever wins likely isn't going to have 50% of the vote.
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But I thought Bernie was the only true progressives and all true progressives know that? What gives?
 
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Liz needs to drop out and endorse Bernie, like you said this summer ;). And there's no reason to mourn, he's still the frontrunner lol.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Liz needs to drop out and endorse Bernie, like you said this summer ;). And there's no reason to mourn, he's still the frontrunner lol.
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If she can't gain traction then she should. Super Tuesday ought to sort that out for us. Does it make it worse for you that he lost to Buttigieg?
 
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