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Democratic Challengers 8: Candidates Can Only Work for A Vegan Farm Market

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Slap Shot said:
Not sure if it's inevitable but it should be. And I agree Yang (like AOC is some ways) is proposing things that shock much of the electorate, but if people took the time to shut up for a minute and consider what they're trying to accomplish it makes a lot of sense. These proposals need tweaking but we could get there if everyone stopped shouting at each other long enough to have an extended and mature conversation.

I really hold out hope that if the Dems take the WH and don't lose the House we will be in a better place - at least for 4 years - to have those conversations.
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Agreed. Every big idea needs tweaking. You start with a base idea, massage it, work it, and then come out with a refined product.
 
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There won't be a serious conversation about UBI for a generation. We still have a working class that has been thoroughly indoctrinated by their Masters that the lower their pay, the worse their job conditions, and the less their benefits the more morally superior they are. Coarse hands and a bad back make you a working class hero. Just as with the glorification of the military, workers (at least white workers) have been brainwashed to regard it as an honor to die for the rich.

It's changing, slowly, but mostly because the one thing the Plutes couldn't have planned for was the slave jobs would go away, leaving the working class with no way to distinguish themselves from the Poors. Dump's racism and xenophobia is the tourniquet the right has applied to keep their saps in line, but short of blowing the world up and returning it to the 19th century there is no way to employ no skill labor anymore.

In the 20th century the rich needed an enormous population for their armies and factories. So we got a massive investment in medicine to keep the workers healthy, media to keep them pacified, and anti-birth control to keep them fertile. But now that the rich have machines that are superior to workers they only need them for one thing: votes to keep a democratic society from curtailing their depredations.

The other thing they need humans for is to buy their sh-t. The only way a non-working population will be able to do that is a UBI. So that will happen -- when the rich say so, and when they have wrung every last nickle from the Culture War.
 
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Mookie is counting down the days to cash his first UBI check!!!
 
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Kepler said:
UBI is inevitable. Yang's version is just a poor first draft. But coerced work will be regarded as slavery in 100 years.
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That may be...but Yang is a clown and his plan sucks and anyone who wants him involved in anything having to do with policy is out to lunch.
 
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It’s not a purity test. Yang sucks as a politician.

Cabinet positions are for the technocrats who are experts in their fields. Yang doesn’t know **** about running government. Whomever said he should slink back to a think tank was exactly right.

Wandering dreamers aren’t fit for cabinet positions. You want people who can execute.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
It’s not a purity test. Yang sucks as a politician.

Cabinet positions are for the technocrats who are experts in their fields. Yang doesn’t know **** about running government. Whomever said he should slink back to a think tank was exactly right.

Wandering dreamers aren’t fit for cabinet positions. You want people who can execute.
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Seems more qualified for the cabinet than anyone that is in there now. Heck, even the current Attorney General doesn't believe in the Constitution of the United States.

So, yes, there does appear to be a purity test on the left. Some how the left has to again follow rules that right does not. I think if we're really going to start fixing things we need to be operating from the same set of rules and facts first.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Wandering dreamers aren’t fit for cabinet positions. You want people who can execute.
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However, wandering dreamers are great for starting religions, and that's what Yang has done, and it is a Good Thing.

A great candidate is a nice hairdoo who makes a million people simultaneously feel like they are only talking to them personally. Those are fungibles -- there will always be some available, and they are empty vessels to fill up with whatever the au current idea is (c.f. Reagan, supply side). Buttigieg is the best example in the current field.

A great cabinet person is a leader with command of the facts in a specialization. Warren is a perfect example of a great cabinet secretary.

To turn an idea into policy you need all three.

+ Dreamers: Yang (UBI), Sanders (TEH SOCIALISMZ!!!11!1), Williamson (the Harmonic Convergence)

+ Hairdoos: Buttigieg, Booker, Biden

+ Specialists: Warren (economics), Harris (justice)
 
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Kepler said:
However, wandering dreamers are great for starting religions, and that's what Yang has done, and it is a Good Thing.

A great candidate is a nice hairdoo who makes a million people simultaneously feel like they are only talking to them personally. Those are fungibles -- there will always be some available, and they are empty vessels to fill up with whatever the au current idea is (c.f. Reagan, supply side). Buttigieg is the best example in the current field.

A great cabinet person is a leader with command of the facts in a specialization. Warren is a perfect example of a great cabinet secretary.

To turn an idea into policy you need all three.

+ Dreamers: Yang (UBI), Sanders (TEH SOCIALISZ!!!11!1), Williamson (the Harmonic Convergence)

+ Hairdoos: Buttigieg, Booker, Biden

+ Specialists: Warren (economics), Harris (justice)
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I fail to see why this standard applies if it doesn't apply to everyone.
 
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Biden has stated he’s open to nominating Obama to Supreme Court.
 
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Kepler said:
I don't understand your statement.
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This does not apply to Republicans. At all. Not a singles thing that has been stated about Cabinet positions applies to the current Cabinet. None.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Biden has stated he’s open to nominating Obama to Supreme Court.
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Nice sentiment. Too old.

Dems should only nominate people mookie would sleep with from now on. 20-something Asian hotties who will live to 110.

All rise.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
This does not apply to Republicans. At all. Not a singles thing that has been stated about Cabinet positions applies to the current Cabinet. None.
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It applies to politics as usual. The Nazi Party is not politics as usual.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Politics as usual ended in 1980.
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94.

From 80 (78, really) to 94 the right was bad but they were the same old bad we've always seen before -- Plutes warping democracy but remaining inside it. Starting in 94 they began to methodically destroy democracy and whip up their mindless horde to root them on.

Reagan wasn't a fascist, he was just a drooling (and willing) dupe of the rich. Fascism began with Newt and Rush, flowered with Cheney and O'Reilly, and now begins to fester and decay with Dump and Hannity.
 
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Kepler said:
94.

From 80 (78, really) to 94 the right was bad but they were the same old bad we've always seen before -- Plutes warping democracy but remaining inside it. Starting in 94 they began to methodically destroy democracy and whip up their mindless horde to root them on.

Reagan wasn't a fascist, he was just a drooling (and willing) dupe of the rich. Fascism began with Newt, flowered with Cheney, and now begins to fester and decay with Dump.
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Reagan made them all possible. You could actually date it back to Nixon. Without Nixon the idea of Fox News might never have germinated.
 
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