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Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

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I would have liked something a little more than we need her work in the Senate. That's basically dismissing her ideas altogether IMO. Heard the same take on cable news today as well so I'm not alone.

He's not going to offer her a cabinet position via Tweet. Who cares what the tweet says? If they're in negotiations or things were promised, one or both might want that news to be kept quiet for the time being. Politics isn't about an open hand on the table so everyone can see.
 
Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

He's not going to offer her a cabinet position via Tweet. Who cares what the tweet says? If they're in negotiations or things were promised, one or both might want that news to be kept quiet for the time being. Politics isn't about an open hand on the table so everyone can see.

Those communications are worded very very carefully. I care. It wasn't Drunk Trump on the toilet tweeting that out.
 
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His tweet about Warren wasn't.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Senator <a href="https://twitter.com/ewarren?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@EWarren</a> is the fiercest of fighters for middle class families. Her work in Washington, in Massachusetts, and on the campaign trail has made a real difference in people's lives. We needed her voice in this race, and we need her continued work in the Senate.</p>— Joe Biden (Text Join to 30330) (@JoeBiden) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1235616060906205184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don't find this very comforting. Sounds too boiler plate. She deserved better.

I am fine with it.
 
If me not voting or voting 3rd party etc based on a Trump/Sanders ballot is a half vote for Trump, so be it. Give me a quality candidate to vote for next time.

Like your 3rd party candidate is "quality".

Suck it up, buttercup.
 
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He had to go conspiracy though...it is a the only card to play. His whole shtick was proven false, he didn't bring out the voters. Last time he used the DNC as an excuse but this time he doesn't have that. His only real chance is to rile up his base and claiming everyone is out to get him just might do that.

Truth is he didnt learn from 2016. You cant alienate 60-70% of the Democrats and then expect them to flock to you. And make no mistake his people did that. He made it too easy for them (the Conservadems, the Warmongers, the Republican-Lites, the Wall Street Sellouts) to look at anyone but him. AOC gets it (hence why she will be Speaker) and Ilhan gets it...you get what you want AFTER you get elected. You dont push away the voters, you get them to like you and use that to get what you want.

I didn't see it that way, as doing that just alienates more people, and it also brings in the dumpy card to make fun of Bernie and the D's. Which is the opposite that I see we need.

For sure, he alienated me and my vote in Michigan.
 
Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

I can't wait for Biden to name Obama as VP. Then after the inauguration, step down for unforeseen medical issues...
 
I disagree strongly. She saw her #1 job as preventing American politics from degenerating into The Ultimate Billionaire Showdown of Ultimate Billionaire Destiny. The most important thing Warren will ever do is single-handedly destroying that smarmy f-ck and sending him back to NY in a gold inlaid box.

She murdered a Plute live on stage. It was glorious.

And as she said before that debate, that night people would be able to see for themselves how the candidates dealt with a smug, condescending billionaire in a debate. Bloomberg as proxy for Donnie.

The rest of them kinda tip-toed around him. She took the gloves off and spanked him.
 
Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

The fact that Warren didn't turn around and immediately endorse Sanders after dropping out is a win for Biden, so one would think she's not that put out by Uncle Joe's tweet.
 
Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

The fact that Warren didn't turn around and immediately endorse Sanders after dropping out is a win for Biden, so one would think she's not that put out by Uncle Joe's tweet.

Why would she? Did you listen to her? It's very clear what she was trying to do and it's very clear how disappointed she was that everyone followed the same old two lane script.
 
Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

I can't wait for Biden to name Obama as VP. Then after the inauguration, step down for unforeseen medical issues...

Interesting.

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term. Section 2. This Article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress.[2]

As worded, the primary focus of the 22nd Amendment is on limiting individuals twice elected to the presidency from being elected again. Due to this, several issues could be raised regarding the amendment's meaning and application, especially in relation to the 12th Amendment, ratified in 1804, which states, "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States".[23] While it is clear that under the 12th Amendment the original constitutional qualifications of age, citizenship, and residency apply to both the president and vice president, it is unclear whether someone who is ineligible to be elected president could be elected vice president. Because of this apparent ambiguity, there may be a loophole in the 22nd Amendment whereby a two-term former president could be elected vice president and then succeed to the presidency as a result of the incumbent's death, resignation, or removal from office (or even succeed to the presidency from some other stated office in the presidential line of succession).[8][24]

Some argue that the 22nd Amendment and 12th Amendment bar any two-term president from later serving as vice president as well as from succeeding to the presidency from any point in the presidential line of succession.[25] Others contend that the original intent of the 12th Amendment concerns qualification for service (age, residence, and citizenship), while the 22nd Amendment, concerns qualifications for election, and thus (strictly applying the text) a former two-term president is still eligible to serve as vice president (neither amendment restricts the number of times an individual can be elected to the vice presidency), and then succeed to the presidency to serve out the balance of the term (though prohibited from running for election to an additional term).[26][27]

The practical applicability of this distinction has not been tested, as no former president has ever sought the vice presidency. In 1980, former president Gerald Ford was mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for Republican presidential nominee Ronald Reagan, and there were some negotiations between the two camps, but nothing ever came of the idea.[28] During Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign, she jokingly said that she had considered naming her husband Bill Clinton as her vice presidential running mate, but had been advised it would be unconstitutional.[29] Most likely, the constitutional question raised will remain unanswered unless the situation actually occurs.[1]
 
I really can't understand how she didn't do better.

There's no one primary reason, but there are several combined ones:

She had too narrow of a lane, for one. Bernie flanked her on the left, Biden/Buttigieg/Klobuchar/Bloomberg on her right. Too liberal for moderates and couldn't peel off Bernie Bros. from Bernie. Her primary base is college educated women, which isn't sufficient to win a nomination.

Certainly some misogyny in there. And people worried she'd be 2016 all over again at the end of the day.

And being an old white liberal female professor from New England simply isn't going to sell to Joe Blow the machinist in Indiana.

I think she was also many people's 2nd choice, which could've worked if they fell out piecemeal instead of all at once and immediately coalescing to Biden. So to that extent, it was also the result of events beyond her control. But you could say that for many (what happens if Klobuchar doesn't gave the debate of her life in New Hampshire and those late deciders go to Buttigieg instead, giving him the win over Bernie? What happens if Bloomberg never got in? Or if Harris or Booker stayed in longer?)
 
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If me not voting or voting 3rd party etc based on a Trump/Sanders ballot is a half vote for Trump, so be it. Give me a quality candidate to vote for next time.

Your faux principle is duly noted.
 
Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

Why would she? Did you listen to her? It's very clear what she was trying to do and it's very clear how disappointed she was that everyone followed the same old two lane script.

She's much more ideologically aligned with Sanders and the race isn't over but Bernie needs a quick recovery starting yesterday if he's going to pull even. Yes he could wait for Biden to do something stupid but he can't control that. He can make a case to Warren that its crunch time for their vision of the future. Saw just now that Sanders is blowing off a rally in Mississippi to campaign in Michigan, which is both smart and sort of a last stand.
 
Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

Those communications are worded very very carefully. I care. It wasn't Drunk Trump on the toilet tweeting that out.

Trump doesn't drink. He gets the power-sh*ts at 4am after snorting a couple more lines of Adderall. ;)
 
Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

Of course, Scooby, doing the Chicken Little dance over a perfectly acceptable Biden Tweet that he probably didn't even send out. :rolleyes:
 
Re: Democratic Challengers 2020 - 12: The End of the Beginning

Of course, Scooby, doing the Chicken Little dance over a perfectly acceptable Biden Tweet that he probably didn't even send out. :rolleyes:

Why is it Chicken Littling wanting more for the candidate I supported? jfc excuse me.
 
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