Demcratic Challengers 11: Saving the Republic one voter at a time!

[Kepler]

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Fair enough. I guess I’m never quite sure how much of a politician is pure, ruthless pragmatism (even if the public face is idealism, etc.), even someone like Stacy Abrams. I could see her thinking that even if she’s on Sanders ticket, they still lose to Trump in November. I readily concede she may not be thinking any such thing, and that the Sanders ticket truly is her best shot, and the time to strike is now. Either way, I find this s**t fascinating. Super Tuesday is going to be fun to watch.

I'm confident that Abrams understands Sanders is a much better candidate against Dump than Biden. Not just because she's a good politician, but because her ideology rests on recognition that the old DLC way was a terrible drain on party enthusiasm.

She's part of the solution and she sees Sanders as part of the solution. Biden, if not the problem, is at best kicking the can down the road a little more -- the last refuge of the creatively exhausted.

 

[Rover]

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I'm confident that Abrams understands Sanders is a much better candidate against Dump than Biden. Not just because she's a good politician, but because her ideology rests on recognition that the old DLC way was a terrible drain on party enthusiasm.

She's part of the solution and she sees Sanders as part of the solution. Biden, if not the problem, is at best kicking the can down the road a little more -- the last refuge of the creatively exhausted.

Just curious but have you ever met and talked to Stacey Abrams, or are you deploying your formidable mind reading skills on this one?

I took a look at her positions on issues heading into the 2018 campaign and I'm seeing a standard Dem politician interested in voting rights and expanded Medicaid for GA. I didn't see anything that would tell me she falls into either the moderate or progressive camp.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I'm confident that Abrams understands Sanders is a much better candidate against Dump than Biden. Not just because she's a good politician, but because her ideology rests on recognition that the old DLC way was a terrible drain on party enthusiasm.

She's part of the solution and she sees Sanders as part of the solution. Biden, if not the problem, is at best kicking the can down the road a little more -- the last refuge of the creatively exhausted.

I'm with Rover, what are you basing this off of?

 

[psych]

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So, the theory goes, once the older black people, who are currently driving Biden’s campaign, die, their younger counterparts will continue to stay more liberal than them, a la Stacey Abrams (and younger) types, and therefore, continue to vote for Sanders type candidates than Biden types in the future Democratic Party?

 

[huskyfan]

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OMG. Did anyone see Biden with Chris Wallace on Sunday? Painful. Perhaps he really does have dementia? Or was he drunk?

 

[Rover]

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So, the theory goes, once the older black people, who are currently driving Biden’s campaign, die, their younger counterparts will continue to stay more liberal than them, a la Stacey Abrams (and younger) types, and therefore, continue to vote for Sanders type candidates than Biden types in the future Democratic Party?

That's cool but Stacey Abrams is 46 years old. Does that qualify her as a younger, more liberal black politician? I thought Bernie had the 30 and under crowd?

 

[BassAle]

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Amy is out. will endorse Biden tonight.

 

[Rover]

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OMG. Did anyone see Biden with Chris Wallace on Sunday? Painful. Perhaps he really does have dementia? Or was he drunk?

Sorta like Chump trying to explain his administration's Coronavirus response at a press conference?

PS - Are you still pimping Sharia Law theories or did you cut that out as soon as Obama left office? Notice you never seem to address that question.

 

[ticapnews]

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Just to clarify: The superdelegates won't vote on the first ballot so no one needs to sway them (yet). They will only come into play if no one gets the magic number of 1991 delegates on the first ballot. If Sanders has as big a day as we are expecting tomorrow then he'll be well on his way to that number. A move like announcing a VP nominee would help him make sure delegate-rich states like New York, Pennsylvania and Florida go to him instead of Biden/Bloomberg. Biden reportedly asked Amy and Liz to stay in until tomorrow to help blunt Bernie in Minnesota (where Amy should win) and Massachusetts (where Liz should win) but if Texas and California go big for Bernie it won't matter. Depending on how they do in other states, both should bow out by the end of the week. That will leave Sanders v Biden with Uncle Moneybags with another $59.5 billion to spend on advertising and social media "influencers"

If no one gets to 1991 delegates then the supers come into play. It isn't likely they're going to be swayed by a VP choice.

ETA: And I see Amy has already left....that makes Minnesota wide open tomorrow!

 

[psych]

That's cool but Stacey Abrams is 46 years old. Does that qualify her as a younger, more liberal black politician? I thought Bernie had the 30 and under crowd?

At the end of the day I like the conversation, and I’m asking Kepler his viewpoint. I don’t necessarily agree with it; simply curious. Personally, if I were Abrams, and I was apparently this sought after, and this much of a kingmaker, why hitch my horse if my ticket wins the nomination, regardless of who it is? I wouldn’t jump in right now. I’d wait until the voting is over, and polls become more predictive of the general election, etc. Then again, I’m just an internet poster, not Stacey Abrams.

 

[Handyman]

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Bernie was ahead here anyways I had heard. She saved herself the embarrassment...

 

[ticapnews]

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That's cool but Stacey Abrams is 46 years old. Does that qualify her as a younger, more liberal black politician? I thought Bernie had the 30 and under crowd?

The cutoff in polling is 45. I'd think 50 would be a good number, but they've gone with 45.

Bernie does exceptionally well with the <30 crowd and does well with under 45's. 46+ notsomuch. Although I do wonder how he polls with the 46-50 crowd (the pre-AARP's)

 

[Rover]

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Biden reportedly asked Amy and Liz to stay in until tomorrow to help blunt Bernie in Minnesota (where Amy should win) and Massachusetts (where Liz should win)

- Why would Warren be coordinating with Biden to screw over Sanders? Isn't she much more ideologically aligned to Sanders and seems to have a decent professional relationship with him. Do you have a source for that?

 

[BassAle]

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If Sanders has as big a day as we are expecting tomorrow then he'll be well on his way to that number.

right now the models show he will fall well short of the magic number, but things will certainly be more clear after tomorrow

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

 

[BassAle]

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- Why would Warren be coordinating with Biden to screw over Sanders? Isn't she much more ideologically aligned to Sanders and seems to have a decent professional relationship with him. Do you have a source for that?

because everything is a giant conspiracy against Bernie

 

[Rover]

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At the end of the day I like the conversation, and I’m asking Kepler his viewpoint. I don’t necessarily agree with it; simply curious. Personally, if I were Abrams, and I was apparently this sought after, and this much of a kingmaker, why hitch my horse if my ticket wins the nomination, regardless of who it is? I wouldn’t jump in right now. I’d wait until the voting is over, and polls become more predictive of the general election, etc. Then again, I’m just an internet poster, not Stacey Abrams.

I hear ya. Kep was sounding like he talked to her personally with his intimate knowledge of her line of thought regarding being someone's VP. He is a Beltway cocktail set regular, so maybe he does know something the rest of the public does not, but I'm not sure if Abrams is even making the rounds in DC.

 

[Rover]

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because everything is a giant conspiracy against Bernie

I could understand if Klobacher and Biden had something arranged but I'm not sure I believe a Biden-Warren alliance at this point.

 

[ticapnews]

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- Why would Warren be coordinating with Biden to screw over Sanders? Isn't she much more ideologically aligned to Sanders and seems to have a decent professional relationship with him. Do you have a source for that?

Because everyone in the race has an inflated ego and deep down they believe "If the nomination is contested they will choose ME!"

To be serious, she would be the ultimate compromise candidate. She isn't nearly as 'moderate' as Biden and she isn't as liberal as Sanders. She is someone who could be sold to the convention as a compromise between the two. I don't see that as reality, but it could certainly be sold to her that way and she might delude herself into thinking it.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Buttigieg and Klobuchar dropping out before Super Tuesday signals there are a lot of party operatives that fear a Sanders nomination. They better be prepared to give Uncle Joe some full strength pep pills for the next 8 months because he has been so mind numbingly dull so far he will get no one beyond the centrists of the party excited. In an election that will be defined by turnout (that is if it isn't defined by voter suppression) Biden is not the right choice. Our jobs will be that much harder.

 

[SJHovey]

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Bernie was ahead here anyways I had heard. She saved herself the embarrassment...

My guess is she has received some calls from party officials. There are enough in the party scared that they are on their way to nominating Sanders that behind the scenes moves are being made.