Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries
Heh. When you believe in God, you don't have to worry about such things.
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Heh. When you believe in God, you don't have to worry about such things.
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Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries
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Patman
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Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries
As it should... she has two scoopfuls of San Francisco crazy in her coffee each morning.
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As it should... she has two scoopfuls of San Francisco crazy in her coffee each morning.
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Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries
Call me crazy, but I think she would have done a better* job than Obama has so far.
*In terms of effectiveness of course.
Call me crazy, but I think she would have done a better* job than Obama has so far.
*In terms of effectiveness of course.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries
to be fair, she doesn't have a need to convince people that she's a moderate. Obama has tried to "smart power" things through... between that and bringing on the backroom stuff he campaigned against is why he lost control of the messaging and the whole imaged collapsed.
I think the 2012 campaign should be hilarious, because I believe they still think they can message their way through like they did in 2008.
to be fair, she doesn't have a need to convince people that she's a moderate. Obama has tried to "smart power" things through... between that and bringing on the backroom stuff he campaigned against is why he lost control of the messaging and the whole imaged collapsed.
I think the 2012 campaign should be hilarious, because I believe they still think they can message their way through like they did in 2008.
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It's funny, because she has this image as this ultra right-wing conservonazi, dutifully painted by the lamestream media. But, like basically every other Republican that the left tries to paint as "stupid," she's quite shrewd.
Back when I was touting her as a potential VP candidate before such super-smart people as Katie Couric and Charles Gibson even knew her name, she was practically better liked in Alaska by Democrats than by Republicans. Why? Because she established a real record of bipartisanship during her campaigns to rid the state of corruption and fraud - and because she quarreled with the GOP establishment in Alaska constantly, even before she primaried Frank Murkowski. She recognized that a lot of the institutionalized corruption was due to the entrenched leadership, and she took flak for taking down the targets within her own party.
Once she became the VP nominee, though, all bipartisan goodwill broke down once the DNC showed up and demanded loyalty and dirt. Ultimately, that's what led her to resign from her office last year - the constant frivolous lawsuits and baseless ethics claims that she had to defend against.
It's funny, because she has this image as this ultra right-wing conservonazi, dutifully painted by the lamestream media. But, like basically every other Republican that the left tries to paint as "stupid," she's quite shrewd.
Back when I was touting her as a potential VP candidate before such super-smart people as Katie Couric and Charles Gibson even knew her name, she was practically better liked in Alaska by Democrats than by Republicans. Why? Because she established a real record of bipartisanship during her campaigns to rid the state of corruption and fraud - and because she quarreled with the GOP establishment in Alaska constantly, even before she primaried Frank Murkowski. She recognized that a lot of the institutionalized corruption was due to the entrenched leadership, and she took flak for taking down the targets within her own party.
Once she became the VP nominee, though, all bipartisan goodwill broke down once the DNC showed up and demanded loyalty and dirt. Ultimately, that's what led her to resign from her office last year - the constant frivolous lawsuits and baseless ethics claims that she had to defend against.
Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries
If the Dems lose big in 2010 and BHO's poll #'s get Bush43ian, does Hillary take a shot? The fallout being if she loses the primary battle she MAY get the Chatauqua dog catcher job.
Question:
If the Dems lose big in 2010 and BHO's poll #'s get Bush43ian, does Hillary take a shot? The fallout being if she loses the primary battle she MAY get the Chatauqua dog catcher job.
Patman
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Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries
I expect a Palin presidency to be a principled group but I expect them to be a pragmatic group as well. I think she'd target at house cleaning but I think she'd compromise on other issues in lieu of house cleaning. I'd expect her to trade things like "legalizing marajuana" for elimination of some pork or the paring down of the Department of Education.
The ironic thing, and I reserve the right to be wrong, I think she could actually be the air cleaning people are looking for.
I expect a Palin presidency to be a principled group but I expect them to be a pragmatic group as well. I think she'd target at house cleaning but I think she'd compromise on other issues in lieu of house cleaning. I'd expect her to trade things like "legalizing marajuana" for elimination of some pork or the paring down of the Department of Education.
The ironic thing, and I reserve the right to be wrong, I think she could actually be the air cleaning people are looking for.
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Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries
Oh my fault, I should have been more clear. I was talking about Pelosi.
Oh my fault, I should have been more clear. I was talking about Pelosi.
Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries
Yes - or she could be a weak puppet controlled by her kingmakers in a way that makes GWB look like he had the resolve of Winston Churchill. I'm not sure I'm ready for Round II of behind-the-scenes Republican wonks running the asylum...
Yes - or she could be a weak puppet controlled by her kingmakers in a way that makes GWB look like he had the resolve of Winston Churchill. I'm not sure I'm ready for Round II of behind-the-scenes Republican wonks running the asylum...
Handyman
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Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries
No, it is hard enough to unseat a president when you are in the other party, it is nearly impossible to do it within the party. For her to even have a shot she would need the entire Dem leadership to not only turn on Obama but throw their support behind her. That stuff can happen in books and movies but I doubt it would happen in real life. (not to mention if she fails she kills any shot she had 4 years later she would be beyond nuclear...Mel Gibson-esque)
As for Palin, I think up until the point where she resigned as Governor she had a shot. She really was the only thing that kept the McCain campaign afloat at the end. I worked the entire convention, no one was talking about McCain they were all talking about her. She had an Obama-like celebrity that woke people up which was cool. (the convention was dull until then and people were not very high on the election)
I don't think she is electable now, though I could be wrong. I think her best work will be as the head of the GOP. I may not like her politics or her carefully crafted image, but lots of people do and she knows how to campaign that is for sure. You make her the party chairwoman instead of that dolt Steele and the image change alone will be amazing. The first step to changing the image of the GOP is to put someone like her in charge. I mean if Howard Dean can have success as Dem Chair, she can be ****ed scary as GOP Chair.
No, it is hard enough to unseat a president when you are in the other party, it is nearly impossible to do it within the party. For her to even have a shot she would need the entire Dem leadership to not only turn on Obama but throw their support behind her. That stuff can happen in books and movies but I doubt it would happen in real life. (not to mention if she fails she kills any shot she had 4 years later she would be beyond nuclear...Mel Gibson-esque)
As for Palin, I think up until the point where she resigned as Governor she had a shot. She really was the only thing that kept the McCain campaign afloat at the end. I worked the entire convention, no one was talking about McCain they were all talking about her. She had an Obama-like celebrity that woke people up which was cool. (the convention was dull until then and people were not very high on the election)
I don't think she is electable now, though I could be wrong. I think her best work will be as the head of the GOP. I may not like her politics or her carefully crafted image, but lots of people do and she knows how to campaign that is for sure. You make her the party chairwoman instead of that dolt Steele and the image change alone will be amazing. The first step to changing the image of the GOP is to put someone like her in charge. I mean if Howard Dean can have success as Dem Chair, she can be ****ed scary as GOP Chair.
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Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries
Well, she already has the coveted Chicago dentist demographic locked down.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/09/dentist-starts-2012-ad-race-wi.html
Well, she already has the coveted Chicago dentist demographic locked down.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/09/dentist-starts-2012-ad-race-wi.html
Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries
Is it me, or is "lamestream" media the lamest expression in political debate right now?
C'mon folks, I know the Right is <s>anti-intellectual</s>, I mean populist, but still . . . much of the populace is beyond middle school.
Is it me, or is "lamestream" media the lamest expression in political debate right now?
C'mon folks, I know the Right is <s>anti-intellectual</s>, I mean populist, but still . . . much of the populace is beyond middle school.
Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries
And we will always have this:
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However, most of the populace will be sitting this election out, as well as the 2012 election.Is it me, or is "lamestream" media the lamest expression in political debate right now?
C'mon folks, I know the Right is <s>anti-intellectual</s>, I mean populist, but still . . . much of the populace is beyond middle school.
And we will always have this:
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Kepler
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Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries
By this, do you think the GOP's main public perception problem is a "lack of ferocity"? I'm pretty sure it's a lack of confidence in their ability to govern, something Palin doesn't exactly mitigate.
By this, do you think the GOP's main public perception problem is a "lack of ferocity"? I'm pretty sure it's a lack of confidence in their ability to govern, something Palin doesn't exactly mitigate.
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I don't know about the changing the image of the GOP. However, the main job of a party chair is to raise money, something Steele's been kind of shoddy at, and Palin has been **** good at.
Also, the New York Times has discovered that JOE MILLER IS A CRIMINAL!!!!11!!!!!
I hope I was able to capture just a teensy smidgen of the outrage that such a story deserves.
I don't know about the changing the image of the GOP. However, the main job of a party chair is to raise money, something Steele's been kind of shoddy at, and Palin has been **** good at.
Also, the New York Times has discovered that JOE MILLER IS A CRIMINAL!!!!11!!!!!
I hope I was able to capture just a teensy smidgen of the outrage that such a story deserves.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries
I can see that, although a national chairperson is hard to hide. Palin would be very effective fund raising and rabble rousing among the GOP base, but if that's the face of the national party, that's like handing 5-10 free points to Dems in blue states, where they ought to have a decent chance at making some pick ups otherwise. And letting Palin run around making speeches without a transceiver burned into her skull is asking for more of the "OMG, can anyone be that dumb?" moments that have hurt the Republicans so much.
Palin has the classic problem of a high profile fringe fashion plate -- the greater her intensity, the less her crossover appeal. Politically, she has Ron Paul Disease. The best long game for the GOP is to let her run to bring in money and buzz, defeat her in the primaries to demonstrate that the national party has returned to sanity. This helps her, too, since it keeps the money machine running for another fifteen minutes. And it helps the people who actually believe in the stuff on her prompt cards, since it keeps their message relevant when it comes time to write the platform.
I can see that, although a national chairperson is hard to hide. Palin would be very effective fund raising and rabble rousing among the GOP base, but if that's the face of the national party, that's like handing 5-10 free points to Dems in blue states, where they ought to have a decent chance at making some pick ups otherwise. And letting Palin run around making speeches without a transceiver burned into her skull is asking for more of the "OMG, can anyone be that dumb?" moments that have hurt the Republicans so much.
Palin has the classic problem of a high profile fringe fashion plate -- the greater her intensity, the less her crossover appeal. Politically, she has Ron Paul Disease. The best long game for the GOP is to let her run to bring in money and buzz, defeat her in the primaries to demonstrate that the national party has returned to sanity. This helps her, too, since it keeps the money machine running for another fifteen minutes. And it helps the people who actually believe in the stuff on her prompt cards, since it keeps their message relevant when it comes time to write the platform.
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I'd say "stimulus" is probably way past that.
I really expected better from you. Perhaps I was wrong.
I'd say "stimulus" is probably way past that.
C'mon folks, I know the Right is <s>anti-intellectual</s>, I mean populist, but still . . . much of the populace is beyond middle school.
I really expected better from you. Perhaps I was wrong.
Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries
Stop worrrying about worse or better. Just expect the the truth, and you won't go wrong.
Stop worrrying about worse or better. Just expect the the truth, and you won't go wrong.
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Yes, "lamestream" is the middle school term being tossed around in politics these days.
Pay no mind to the MSNBC anchors who use the word "teabagger" ad nauseum.
Yes, "lamestream" is the middle school term being tossed around in politics these days.
Pay no mind to the MSNBC anchors who use the word "teabagger" ad nauseum.
Re: Death to the Incumbent!! Your guide to the 2010 primaries
I should really just stop heaping praise on the liberals that show promise for having actual debating skills, usually they start getting ridiculous afterwards.
Stop worrrying about worse or better. Just expect the the truth, and you won't go wrong.
I should really just stop heaping praise on the liberals that show promise for having actual debating skills, usually they start getting ridiculous afterwards.
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