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Death to the Incumbent! Part Two: Now with more Death.

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Kepler said:
That passed? Yippee -- I'm sure my delegate will work tirelessly to make public flogging of homosexuals part of the state constitution.
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Flogging those who don't endorse homosexuality is a much more likely result.

Can't say I know why Maryland needs a Constitutional Convention, but I'm sure it'll be a circus.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Keep telling yourself that. It'll make you feel better about your Dems.
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I'll feel better when this group of Republicans actually cuts something or balances a budget.

Oh, wait. Hell has to freeze over first?

I saw the questions asked of the candidates last night. Not one of them has a plan for creating jobs or cutting spending. I already know what will happen.
 
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I was kidding but then I saw this list on the agenda of the people calling for the MD Con Convention:

Recall an elected official (for cause)
Define the primary language as English
Voter identification rules
Proof of state residence to acquire driver’s license
Marriage definition (man and woman)
Term limits
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All the inbred favorites. I wonder how they missed the War on Christmas?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I'll feel better when this group of Republicans actually cuts something or balances a budget.

Oh, wait. Hell has to freeze over first?

I saw the questions asked of the candidates last night. Not one of them has a plan for creating jobs or cutting spending. I already know what will happen.
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As compared to if the Dems had kept control of everything for another two years? After the last two years, I'd have more faith in the Green Party cutting spending than in the Dems doing so. Sure, the Republicans don't have a good track record in the Bush years, but they weren't as bad as Obama has been the last two years. If Obama proposes another big new spending program, and then just moments later talks about somehow cutting spending, without giving any specifics or followup, I'll pull my hair out or something.

As long as Obama is in the White House, there is no chance of bringing spending under control. Maybe, best scenario, there can be some damage control, but that's not likely. Of course with the House no longer under his control, Obama can now blame them for all his deficit spending. Hopefully people won't buy that one, but I'm sure some will drink the Kool Aid.
 
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Kepler said:
I was kidding but then I saw this list on the agenda of the people calling for the MD Con Convention:



All the inbred favorites. I wonder how they missed the War on Christmas?
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I want an electoral college for MD that will decide the gubanatorial election by county results, not the popular vote! :D

Term limits?
Congressional Districts drawn by an independent comission, not the legislature and must be geographically compact.
Speed cameras made illegal unless operated by a living human.
Private schools eligible for membership in the MPSSAA.
State pensions exempt from State income tax
 
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Bob Gray said:
As compared to if the Dems had kept control of everything for another two years? After the last two years, I'd have more faith in the Green Party cutting spending than in the Dems doing so. Sure, the Republicans don't have a good track record in the Bush years, but they weren't as bad as Obama has been the last two years. If Obama proposes another big new spending program, and then just moments later talks about somehow cutting spending, without giving any specifics or followup, I'll pull my hair out or something.

As long as Obama is in the White House, there is no chance of bringing spending under control. Maybe, best scenario, there can be some damage control, but that's not likely. Of course with the House no longer under his control, Obama can now blame them for all his deficit spending. Hopefully people won't buy that one, but I'm sure some will drink the Kool Aid.
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The Republicans had control for 6 straight years and look what happened. What was cut, Bob? Seriously. Name one cut under George W. Bush to spending.
 
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JHC, nobody's going to cut spending enough to balance the budget. I don't want to hear about it from anyone. Anyone who promises it is a liar or a partisan hack. It's just not going to happen.

I'll settle for just growing the g--d--- economy. Please and thank you.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Can't say I know why Maryland needs a Constitutional Convention, but I'm sure it'll be a circus.
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I was surprised to learn that most state constitutions require that a Constitutional Convention be a ballot proposal every X number of years. In Michigan it's 14 years and this year was one of those years. FWIW, the proposal was shot down quite convincingly here.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
The Republicans had control for 6 straight years and look what happened. What was cut, Bob? Seriously. Name one cut under George W. Bush to spending.
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Read. The post you respond to says that the Republicans didn't do well during the Bush years. It doesn't make sense to argue something at someone when they've already agreed with the point. That said, your usual myopic outlook, blasting the Republicans deficits, while doing an ostrich on Obama's fiscal disaster, is entirely expected.
 
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moe24 said:
I was surprised to learn that most state constitutions require that a Constitutional Convention be a ballot proposal every X number of years. In Michigan it's 14 years and this year was one of those years. FWIW, the proposal was shot down quite convincingly here.
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Huh. I didn't know that. Very interesting. I've never heard of one taking place here in Arizona, and I don't recall ever hearing of one when I lived in Minnesota. But, as with many things, different states do things very differently. I'm not sure I like the idea of forcing it as a ballot proposal every so many x years. Seems like a little more opportunity for mischief.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Read. The post you respond to says that the Republicans didn't do well during the Bush years. It doesn't make sense to argue something at someone when they've already agreed with the point. That said, your usual myopic outlook, blasting the Republicans deficits, while doing an ostrich on Obama's fiscal disaster, is entirely expected.
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You want me to say Obama is a disaster? I have. He is a disaster. The number one thing this country needed was an investment in the future that would bring dividends. Instead the stimulus invested in nothing that offered a return on investment.

If we don't start investing in education the right way, science and technology, and new economies we're never going to grow the budget, we're never going to create jobs, and we're going to go bankrupt.

But, what got elected this cycle wasn't a grand plan for American renewal. Instead it was a grand plan for tax cuts. Tax cuts for the productive class which as far as I can tell is mostly a bunch of folks who know how to make money off of other peoples money and not actually produce anything that anybody wants.
 
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Heh. Boner was just on CNN saying how one of his problems with the Congress over the last fifteen years or so was that they didn't have "rock solid oversight" over the executive branch.

Bring on the impeachment!!
 
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Bob Gray said:
Just noticed that Jim Oberstar got bounced by Chip Cravaack in northeastern Minnesota. Wow. That's a district I never thought I'd see a Republican win.
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I found this to be about as disappointing as one can reasonably find a result of an election held far from one's own place of residence to be. Oberstar was one of the loudest voices in DC supporting sustainable transportation, and I think he'll be sorely missed in that regard, though if (as mentioned upthread) he was too focused on nationwide transportation issues to the detriment of his local constituents, then I can see why he was vulnerable.
 
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Bob Gray said:
As compared to if the Dems had kept control of everything for another two years? After the last two years, I'd have more faith in the Green Party cutting spending than in the Dems doing so. Sure, the Republicans don't have a good track record in the Bush years, but they weren't as bad as Obama has been the last two years. If Obama proposes another big new spending program, and then just moments later talks about somehow cutting spending, without giving any specifics or followup, I'll pull my hair out or something.

As long as Obama is in the White House, there is no chance of bringing spending under control. Maybe, best scenario, there can be some damage control, but that's not likely. Of course with the House no longer under his control, Obama can now blame them for all his deficit spending. Hopefully people won't buy that one, but I'm sure some will drink the Kool Aid.
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I'm not defending any party's ability to cut spending or even slow the increase in spending, but a comparison would need to be made with war as a 'one-off' expense. If one party is in charge when the country goes to war, that isn't the same as spending on permanent programs. No matter who was in charge, I think we would have gone into Afghanistan and still wouldn't be out. Calling that republican spending is not accurate. Iraq is different, that is true. But, at least a war can stop, most other government spending never stops.
 
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rufus said:
Heh. Boner was just on CNN saying how one of his problems with the Congress over the last fifteen years or so was that they didn't have "rock solid oversight" over the executive branch.

Bring on the impeachment!!
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I'd say that's a distinct possibility.
 
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jmh said:
I found this to be about as disappointing as one can reasonably find a result of an election held far from one's own place of residence to be. Oberstar was one of the loudest voices in DC supporting sustainable transportation, and I think he'll be sorely missed in that regard, though if (as mentioned upthread) he was too focused on nationwide transportation issues to the detriment of his local constituents, then I can see why he was vulnerable.
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I think during the last campaign reporting quarter, Oberstar got one, yes one, contribution from someone inside his district.
 
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pirate said:
I'm not defending any party's ability to cut spending or even slow the increase in spending, but a comparison would need to be made with war as a 'one-off' expense. If one party is in charge when the country goes to war, that isn't the same as spending on permanent programs. No matter who was in charge, I think we would have gone into Afghanistan and still wouldn't be out. Calling that republican spending is not accurate. Iraq is different, that is true. But, at least a war can stop, most other government spending never stops.
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Reasonable points. But, big picture, Iraq and Afghanistan were a relatively small portion of the overall deficit spending under Bush. People just talk about it a lot because it's easier to argue for and against war spending than it is to look at the rest of the out-of-control federal budget.
 
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