Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0

[walrus]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0

There was a time when the day of deer hunting opener that all the kids in high school would park on the city street and not the school lot because guns weren't to be on school property. (The season started at noon.)

I'm pretty sure there was enough fire power in those cars to overthrow a small Central American nation. (Hyperbole alert there.)

Yet, we didn't have the world we have today.

In Orono, they had gun racks in there pickups , went hunting before and after school, parked in school parking lot.

 

[Jimjamesak]

I haven't seen any obstructionism with regards to knowledge of the gun. I'm a little confused about that part.

He's in full blown "you don't know anything about guns so you can't participate in this discussion!" mode. Very common defense against gun control arguments.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I haven't seen any obstructionism with regards to knowledge of the gun. I'm a little confused about that part.

In fact, let me take this a step further. Is be happy to pay a few bucks more in taxes if we taught firearms safety in school. SAFETY not shooting or any kind of thing that could be construed as teaching a person how to shoot.

Things like how to lock a gun, how to properly handle a gun, what to do if you find one on the street, basic function and cleaning (may be a stretch).

Edfecirvly the kinds of things you learn in scouts.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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http://gawker.com/orlando-shooter-was-reportedly-a-regular-at-pulse-and-h-1781920316

Well, this is an interesting development...

 

[bigblue_dl]

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That I agree with. Home defense is best left to a high caliber jacketed hollow-point round. That hits the target and stops.

IMO, either that (I have a S&W .357 magnum large frame revolver) or a short barrel .12 gauge shotgun with home defense rounds.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Why do people insist on obfuscating the reality of mass shootings by stating they killers could reach their end game via other means? Sure they could - but what is the frequency of a Tim McVeigh vs. an Omar Mateen?

And a handgun doesn't have nearly the power or load capacity as what he used.

Not advocating for any specific bans for what it's worth, but these points are key.

What do you think has more stopping power: a .357 Mag revolver with hollow points, or an "assault weapon" AR-15 chambered in .22LR?

Handguns can absolutely have more power than these mythical "assault weapons"

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Before people owned guns because they used them to hunt or shoot for sport. I can't remember anyone when I was little owning a gun solely to protect their property (maybe I lived in a more civilized portion of the country?).

Know any ranchers growing up? That rifle was for deer season, and to keep the coyotes and wolves away from the cattle (property). My uncles had beef and dairy and good aim.

 

[Slap Shot]

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What do you think has more stopping power: a .357 Mag revolver with hollow points, or an "assault weapon" AR-15 chambered in .22LR?

Handguns can absolutely have more power than these mythical "assault weapons"

Of course they can. A Mini-Cooper can be more dangerous than a Hummer in the hands of the wrong driver too.

I dunno - I'm not really arguing for any bans to be honest, but I think there have been silly arguments made on both sides of the debate.

 

[MaizeRage]

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This has been educational. It's certainly a relief to learn that the weapon that just killed 50 people isn't actually that dangerous.

 

[BassAle]

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It must suck to live in constant fear. A friend of mine wanted a handgun for home defense. He's pretty much abandoned anyone with an R after their name on the ballot (he thinks they have gone off the deep end and have taken obstructionism to a whole new level) but can still be fairly conservative on guns, foreign policy, and other things but I've noticed him moving left on some things like healthcare. Anyway, him and his boyfriend decided that there is a fairly high rate of property crimes in the area, so they should have a gun (we live in a pretty safe area in my opinion, lots of people leave their house and car unlocked). But this post isn't about him.

He told me about the nutjob he took a gun safety class from (and the person that sold them their handgun). This guy was so nuts that he was afraid to go outside to get his mail out of the mailbox without a loaded gun with the safety off. His house was full of loaded guns hidden all over the place. He was convinced that having to turn off the safety would take too long and it was too dangerous to use.

If you are that afraid you aren't really free.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0

It must suck to live in constant fear. A friend of mine wanted a handgun for home defense. He's pretty much abandoned anyone with an R after their name on the ballot (he thinks they have gone off the deep end and have taken obstructionism to a whole new level) but can still be fairly conservative on guns, foreign policy, and other things but I've noticed him moving left on some things like healthcare. Anyway, him and his boyfriend decided that there is a fairly high rate of property crimes in the area, so they should have a gun (we live in a pretty safe area in my opinion, lots of people leave their house and car unlocked). But this post isn't about him.

He told me about the nutjob he took a gun safety class from (and the person that sold them their handgun). This guy was so nuts that he was afraid to go outside to get his mail out of the mailbox without a loaded gun with the safety off. His house was full of loaded guns hidden all over the place. He was convinced that having to turn off the safety would take too long and it was too dangerous to use.

If you are that afraid you aren't really free.

As an owner of several guns, including a few I'd use for home defense, that guys you described is a ****ing nutjob, and I'd agree withyou that he's not really free.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0

It must suck to live in constant fear. A friend of mine wanted a handgun for home defense. He's pretty much abandoned anyone with an R after their name on the ballot (he thinks they have gone off the deep end and have taken obstructionism to a whole new level) but can still be fairly conservative on guns, foreign policy, and other things but I've noticed him moving left on some things like healthcare. Anyway, him and his boyfriend decided that there is a fairly high rate of property crimes in the area, so they should have a gun (we live in a pretty safe area in my opinion, lots of people leave their house and car unlocked). But this post isn't about him.

He told me about the nutjob he took a gun safety class from (and the person that sold them their handgun). This guy was so nuts that he was afraid to go outside to get his mail out of the mailbox without a loaded gun with the safety off. His house was full of loaded guns hidden all over the place. He was convinced that having to turn off the safety would take too long and it was too dangerous to use.

If you are that afraid you aren't really free.

One of the most Democrat, liberal folks I know shocked the < bleep > out of me when she told me she'd gotten training from a local instructor and FFL that she asked the name of in passing one day. ("Who'd you work with?") She now has training and her concealed carry permit and a solid carry weapon in my opinion.

She lives in the open country, a couple miles from an off-ramp of I-94, and her farmyard is easily visible from the highway. A lot of farms out her way have been robbed; a couple while the folks were home sleeping. She's also two miles from her church and drives to and from in the dark frequently in a golf cart she owns. (Hey, it's a gravel road in open country.)

The night that three fellows in a pickup passed by her, turned around, and followed her (she's going 15 mph, they're in motor vehicle) gave her quite the scare because she was all alone. The county sheriff is at best 30 minutes away.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I don't live in fear either. However, there have been enough home invasions that the police department sent out letters to the entire city warning us earlier this year.

That's enough to justify having a gun near me at night.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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http://gawker.com/orlando-shooter-was-reportedly-a-regular-at-pulse-and-h-1781920316

Well, this is an interesting development...

Repressed or scouting the facility.

 

[leswp1]

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I haven't seen any obstructionism with regards to knowledge of the gun. I'm a little confused about that part.

Well, I know more than a few people who lose their minds when there is a suggestion for a requirement to have basic knowledge before you can own a gun. I don't get it. You can't drive a car, fly a plane, practice multiple professions without passing basic knowledge tests. You would think it would be common sense that epople shouldn't be able to own something that lethal without proving they know what they are doing. This requirement is really a conspiracy to prevent ownership (I know, there is a thread for that!)

Know any ranchers growing up? That rifle was for deer season, and to keep the coyotes and wolves away from the cattle (property). My uncles had beef and dairy and good aim.

Well, that is in the category of useful gun. Not in the toy category. I was talking about people feeling they needed a gun to protect them from humans. That wasn't on the radar screen for anyone I knew when I was little.

And reading some of these posts where people believe the safety of their area is such that a gun is advisable? Wow. There is something really wrong with this world.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I don't need a gun when I'm walking around the streets. It's just the one in a million chance (or really, closer to one in ~20,000 chance given the size of my city) that someone kicks in my patio door and tries to rob me. Or worse.

It's a decent neighborhood, just don't want to take that chance.

 

[unofan]

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What do you think has more stopping power: a .357 Mag revolver with hollow points, or an "assault weapon" AR-15 chambered in .22LR?

Handguns can absolutely have more power than these mythical "assault weapons"

Let me ask you this:

If a handgun is just the same as a rifle, why do we need rifles at all? Why doesn't the military just issue everyone personal sidearms?

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Let me ask you this:

If a handgun is just the same as a rifle, why do we need rifles at all? Why doesn't the military just issue everyone personal sidearms?

Range and accuracy.

 

[walrus]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0

Let me ask you this:

If a handgun is just the same as a rifle, why do we need rifles at all? Why doesn't the military just issue everyone personal sidearms?

Who said they were the same?

 

[unofan]

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Who said they were the same?

I've heard multiple pro-gun people in this thread argue that assault rifles should be treated the same as handguns. If they should be treated the same, then implicitly they are the same. Because if they're different, then we have a reason to treat them differently.