Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

[5mn_Major]

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Lol. Good luck with that.

http://www.startribune.com/suspect-charged-in-connection-with-violent-home-invasion-robbery/364447261/

Congrats you found one. You may think your smarter than the police on this, but personally I'll go with them on the matter of crime.

The NVDRS reports that there were 16,000 homicides from violent crime. Yet there were 5.4 million cases of violent crime. That represents of homicide rate of 0.3% in the case of violent crimes. You may want a gun battle with the next criminal you see, I'll pay $50 to improve my chances of living.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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As you sit comfortably at your favorite internet cafe, sipping a chai tea latte, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S9UxU6G_P8

This was a case we studied in one of my concealed carry classes.

 

[BassAle]

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Crazy Mainers break up shooting at Wal Mart
http://www.wcsh6.com/news/local/aug...ed-walmart-shooting-from-escalating/257256957

drug dealers shooting at each other, why bother breaking it up? Let them shoot at each other and wait for the cops to get there. At least someone gets to feel like a hero, and gets the rare justification for concealed carry. If one of those bystandards got shot, would it have been worth stepping in?

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Crazy Mainers break up shooting at Wal Mart
http://www.wcsh6.com/news/local/aug...ed-walmart-shooting-from-escalating/257256957

Even in that case, while it worked out, the cops are saying that being a hero isn't exactly the best thing to do in that scenario.

 

[leswp1]

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Sounds kind of good in the movies but kind of scary when you think about it. Makes me think of the wild west. Personally it does not comfort me to know all those people are armed and in a walmart parking lot. This turned out OK but what if it got nasty? Instead of 2 guys shooting at each other you could have had 4 armed people shooting at each other. The potential for innocent bystanders being hurt... So many nopes.

[perhaps it is my lack of testosterone?]

 

[walrus]

drug dealers shooting at each other, why bother breaking it up? Let them shoot at each other and wait for the cops to get there. At least someone gets to feel like a hero, and gets the rare justification for concealed carry. If one of those bystandards got shot, would it have been worth stepping in?

Which is why I said crazy mainers. I would have called 911 even if I had an uzi in my pocket.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Were the IMIQs* ever in immediate fear of great bodily harm or death? Asked another way: Did the muzzle of one of the arrested folks' weapon ever point at them? If not, the IMIQs could have a problem depending on the local DA.


*IMIQ - intervening Mainers in question

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

Sounds kind of good in the movies but kind of scary when you think about it. Makes me think of the wild west. Personally it does not comfort me to know all those people are armed and in a walmart parking lot. This turned out OK but what if it got nasty? Instead of 2 guys shooting at each other you could have had 4 armed people shooting at each other. The potential for innocent bystanders being hurt... So many nopes.

[perhaps it is my lack of testosterone?]

Some of this gets back to what Hollywood makes us think of the Wild West. Gun battles weren't nearly as common as modern society generally believes, and it's often rooted in the mythology that's sprung up with movies and television. Yes, there were some outlaws causing issues, and they would sometimes turn violent, but not everyday was the OK Corral.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

Sounds kind of good in the movies but kind of scary when you think about it. Makes me think of the wild west. Personally it does not comfort me to know all those people are armed and in a walmart parking lot. This turned out OK but what if it got nasty? Instead of 2 guys shooting at each other you could have had 4 armed people shooting at each other. The potential for innocent bystanders being hurt... So many nopes.

[perhaps it is my lack of testosterone?]

We just need to get you a pistol and a CPL, and then you'll feel empowered to be a real-life Dirty Harry whenever you go out in public.

 

[BassAle]

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Which is why I said crazy mainers. I would have called 911 even if I had an uzi in my pocket.

I just read an article and it sounded like shooting had stopped and things had devolved into a fistfight before they stepped in to break up the altercation

 

[leswp1]

Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

Some of this gets back to what Hollywood makes us think of the Wild West. Gun battles weren't nearly as common as modern society generally believes, and it's often rooted in the mythology that's sprung up with movies and television. Yes, there were some outlaws causing issues, and they would sometimes turn violent, but not everyday was the OK Corral.

I was thinking more of the people going around with weapons to normal places. IMHO there is no reason in modern society to do that other than an excess of paranoia or need to show who has the bigger *

 

[walrus]

I was thinking more of the people going around with weapons to normal places. IMHO there is no reason in modern society to do that other than an excess of paranoia or need to show who has the bigger *

In Maine guns are everywhere, once they they passed the law anyone could carry,it just made it legal(they were carrying anyway). I know folks who carry. I think they are crazy but it's their choice.

 

[leswp1]

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In Maine guns are everywhere, once they they passed the law anyone could carry,it just made it legal(they were carrying anyway). I know folks who carry. I think they are crazy but it's their choice.

I have no patience for machismo. If you truly might be in danger- you are in a place far out in the middle of no where and people roaming around out there might do you violence or you might run into something that would be hunting you for dinner then yup, I would carry too. Just to do it because you can and to show people you can? Reminds me of teenagers that wear too much make up, dress ridiculously, act like idiots because they are trying to show they are adults. There are a lot of things you could do but when you are an adult you realize it is silly and stop doing it just because you can.

 

[Kepler]

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I don't think that's necessarily true anymore. CNN right now just got done discussing that the security personnel in Turkey engaged the perps in the airport immediately to restrict their progress rather than allow them to go about their business. The commentary went on to say this is something security in US airports will need to adopt going forward as we have more and more examples of such acts being carried out. They're not referring to civilians of course, but...

Pretty sure 5mn was talking about civies. The security forces engage as soon as the CBA goes positive.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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If you truly might be in danger- you are in a place far out in the middle of no where ...

Driving through vast stretches of ND, SD, and central and northern MN ...

... and people roaming around out there might do you violence ...

You mean like those people who took over an abandoned farmstead two miles up the road from a friend's place to make a meth lab? Or do you mean the folks that are robbing farmsteads in broad daylight? And that's not anywhere near the Bakken. That's a whole other mess.

... or you might run into something that would be hunting you for dinner ...

You mean having coyotes and moose in your yard isn't normal for the rest of you? And you all haven't found mountain lion tracks in the fresh snow in your driveway? Really? Where do you people live?

... then yup, I would carry too.

Welcome to my world.

 

[Kepler]

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Welcome to my world.

Which is why gun control laws should be decided at the county level. Where I live, the county directly to the west people hunt for food and need guns. In my county there's a little of that and we do have some coyotes in the hills, so OK, sure. The county to my east is suburban and nobody needs anything except a gun for personal protection if they're paranoid the cops won't get there. And then east of that is DC where guns should be completely banned.

The problem is "one size fits all" attempts by either side.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Which is why gun control laws should be decided at the county level. Where I live, the county directly to the west people hunt for food and need guns. In my county there's a little of that and we do have some coyotes in the hills, so OK, sure. The county to my east is suburban and nobody needs anything except a gun for personal protection if they're paranoid the cops won't get there. And then east of that is DC where guns should be completely banned.

The problem is "one size fits all" attempts by either side.

Its not even that simple thought. What happens if someone in the county to your east, living there for work reasons, is a hunter and travels to the county to west on weekends?

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Which is why gun control laws should be decided at the county level.

They are already decided at the state level. That's enough when trying to keep track of all the nuances of localities like "what is loaded" for a handgun.

Example? In ND: a revolver is loaded if there is one round in any chamber of the cylinder (as each chamber of the cylinder is a firing chamber). However, a semi-automatic hand gun (only one firing chamber) is not loaded if a loaded magazine is installed but a round is not chambered.

Now try to keep track of what is "secured" in 40 different states. (I say 40 because my conceal carry license has 39 states of reciprocity.)

 

[joecct]

Which is why gun control laws should be decided at the county level. Where I live, the county directly to the west people hunt for food and need guns. In my county there's a little of that and we do have some coyotes in the hills, so OK, sure. The county to my east is suburban and nobody needs anything except a gun for personal protection if they're paranoid the cops won't get there. And then east of that is DC where guns should be completely banned.

The problem is "one size fits all" attempts by either side.

I'm in the county directly to Kepler's east. Part of it is highly urban, but the part near Kep and on towards Frederick MD is highly rural with bears that wander around.

Plus the darn deer are a nuisance. Lots of hunting on private lands.

So, down towards DC, guns are in the hands of MS-13 and the cops. In the rural areas, there are hunters and varmint shooters.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Its not even that simple thought. What happens if someone in the county to your east, living there for work reasons, is a hunter and travels to the county to west on weekends?

Make conceal and carry at the county level. In Ramsey county, you have your gun on your property or in the trunk of your car. Otherwise you're breaking the law. When you get to Beltrami county...you can come in guns a blazing.