The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
Again, how do you keep all that county-by-county straight? State level laws.
Again, how do you keep all that county-by-county straight? State level laws.
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Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
Even there you have border issues.
It's pretty simple. If you conceal or open carry in a county against the law you get arrested. Caveat vector.
Even there you have border issues.
It's pretty simple. If you conceal or open carry in a county against the law you get arrested. Caveat vector.
leswp1
Well-known member
Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
We have bobcats and Coyotes but none of them are eating the * groundhogs.Driving through vast stretches of ND, SD, and central and northern MN ...
You mean like those people who took over an abandoned farmstead two miles up the road from a friend's place to make a meth lab? Or do you mean the folks that are robbing farmsteads in broad daylight? And that's not anywhere near the Bakken. That's a whole other mess.
You mean having coyotes and moose in your yard isn't normal for the rest of you? And you all haven't found mountain lion tracks in the fresh snow in your driveway? Really? Where do you people live?
Welcome to my world.
I am curious why you would need to conceal your weapon in any of the above situations. Serious question. The conceal thing confuses me. Also, what did people do 30 yrs ago before you were allowed to be toting concealed guns all over the place? Anyone have any stats that show a decrease in bad outcomes now that people are all 'protecting themselves' with concealed carry?
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
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Concealed weapons put people at ease. You might be in a room with 20 people and 15 are armed while in another setting you might be in a room with 40 people and nobody has a sidearm. The point is that unless you're looking very hard, or the person carrying the weapon is sloppy, you'll not know. When the state has open carry, and I think only a small handful do, those people choosing to carry openly may be seen as a threat or possibly provoke a response from others in their presence. Those people can even become targets themselves if they should happen upon a bad situation. Basically, open carry can raise the tension of the room.
Concealed weapons put people at ease. You might be in a room with 20 people and 15 are armed while in another setting you might be in a room with 40 people and nobody has a sidearm. The point is that unless you're looking very hard, or the person carrying the weapon is sloppy, you'll not know. When the state has open carry, and I think only a small handful do, those people choosing to carry openly may be seen as a threat or possibly provoke a response from others in their presence. Those people can even become targets themselves if they should happen upon a bad situation. Basically, open carry can raise the tension of the room.
leswp1
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Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
So, I repeat what did people do before paranoia struck the land? Unless I am totally clueless this is something new. a) Why would you want to run around carrying a hidden sidearm in a normal social situation and b) if you are in the 'social' situations The Sicatoka described the sidearm is supposed to be a deterent so hiding it defeats the purpose and c) as far as animals why would you be hiding it?
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As far as "hiding it," if a bad guy doesn't know who's carrying and who's not...maybe he rethinks the situation, and finds an easier target(s). It's plausible. If bad guy walks into a gun-free zone (which, btw, is funny, since you can still carry a gun in those zones; you'll just be asked to leave if you're found out), then easy targets.
As far as "hiding it," if a bad guy doesn't know who's carrying and who's not...maybe he rethinks the situation, and finds an easier target(s). It's plausible. If bad guy walks into a gun-free zone (which, btw, is funny, since you can still carry a gun in those zones; you'll just be asked to leave if you're found out), then easy targets.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
People conceal-carried long before there were laws saying you had to take classes, pass a test, and have a license.
One of the main issues in the modern era is the NRA. It used to be an unbiased organization with reasonable leadership. Sometime in the late 70s, it allied itself with Republicans and morphed into a complete mouthpiece for the firearms industry that has become one of the most powerful lobbying organizations in Washington. The NRA basically went from advocating for responsible gun owners, to advocating for gun ownership for all - a "Guns for all, and all for guns!" motto, if you will.
People conceal-carried long before there were laws saying you had to take classes, pass a test, and have a license.
One of the main issues in the modern era is the NRA. It used to be an unbiased organization with reasonable leadership. Sometime in the late 70s, it allied itself with Republicans and morphed into a complete mouthpiece for the firearms industry that has become one of the most powerful lobbying organizations in Washington. The NRA basically went from advocating for responsible gun owners, to advocating for gun ownership for all - a "Guns for all, and all for guns!" motto, if you will.
leswp1
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Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
This logic makes no sense. The bad guy is a bad guy. He isn't going to think twice~ He is already an idiot if he is thinking of doing it in the first place. Before this was a thing the bad guys didn't seem to be killing or harming people at a greater rate. It isn't like there has been a sharp decrease in crime because people are afraid some cowboy will shoot them.
This logic makes no sense. The bad guy is a bad guy. He isn't going to think twice~ He is already an idiot if he is thinking of doing it in the first place. Before this was a thing the bad guys didn't seem to be killing or harming people at a greater rate. It isn't like there has been a sharp decrease in crime because people are afraid some cowboy will shoot them.
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"Smart" criminals want no action. They want in and out (say, a robbery). Granted, most criminals are idiots, I agree. The successful criminals want an easy target.
"Smart" criminals want no action. They want in and out (say, a robbery). Granted, most criminals are idiots, I agree. The successful criminals want an easy target.
leswp1
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NPR (I know, the bastion of [insert your insult here] ) interviewed some folks who were lifelong members of the NRA and this is one of the things they were unhappy about.
Not so sure NRA is the mouthpiece of the firearms industry. Not sure who it is a mouthpiece for. It has taken on a life of its own. When Wesson tried to make smart guns the NRA tried to destroy them.
NPR (I know, the bastion of [insert your insult here] ) interviewed some folks who were lifelong members of the NRA and this is one of the things they were unhappy about.
Not so sure NRA is the mouthpiece of the firearms industry. Not sure who it is a mouthpiece for. It has taken on a life of its own. When Wesson tried to make smart guns the NRA tried to destroy them.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
My dad gave up his membership over 20 years ago, after "Jack-booted government thugs" escaped Wayne Lapierre's lips following Waco.
My dad gave up his membership over 20 years ago, after "Jack-booted government thugs" escaped Wayne Lapierre's lips following Waco.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
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Where have the mass shootings taken place in the US? Without exception, they've been in "gun free zones." These people may be deranged, but they're also rational, in a sort o way. They're making choices where they will face the least resistance. Even when the shooting happened at the Army base, once you get past the guard posts there are no weapons to be carried on base except by the MPs. The movie theater in Colorado had a sign up stating that guns are not permitted on site.
I'm sure there's a study out there measuring the per capita ownership of firearms over the years and these rates of mass shootings. I really think we have an increase in some sort of mental illnesses due to some unexplained change in society - perhaps we've coddled people too much and now they can't handle hardships the way people in prior generations could, or perhaps it's the increase of chemicals in the food supply interacting with our minds, or any number of possible causes. Guns have been prevalent in society for a long time now, but in the past 20 years something significant has changed.
Where have the mass shootings taken place in the US? Without exception, they've been in "gun free zones." These people may be deranged, but they're also rational, in a sort o way. They're making choices where they will face the least resistance. Even when the shooting happened at the Army base, once you get past the guard posts there are no weapons to be carried on base except by the MPs. The movie theater in Colorado had a sign up stating that guns are not permitted on site.
I'm sure there's a study out there measuring the per capita ownership of firearms over the years and these rates of mass shootings. I really think we have an increase in some sort of mental illnesses due to some unexplained change in society - perhaps we've coddled people too much and now they can't handle hardships the way people in prior generations could, or perhaps it's the increase of chemicals in the food supply interacting with our minds, or any number of possible causes. Guns have been prevalent in society for a long time now, but in the past 20 years something significant has changed.
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
You know, just because you personally can't comprehend something doesn't mean it should be outlawed.
You know, just because you personally can't comprehend something doesn't mean it should be outlawed.
unofan
Well-known member
Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
Sic has repeatedly said he needs his because he comes across wildlife on his land. Why do you need to conceal it from wildlife?
And if you're in that remote of an area, the odds of coming across a "bad guy" are extremely minimal, which negates your point above.
Sic has repeatedly said he needs his because he comes across wildlife on his land. Why do you need to conceal it from wildlife?
And if you're in that remote of an area, the odds of coming across a "bad guy" are extremely minimal, which negates your point above.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
If you walk into anywhere with a thigh holster you'll hear the shrieks and go deaf from all the cell phones being dialed "911" at once. Yes, open carry is still legal in ND under very limited circumstances.
But mainly, because if it's not in my vault I want it in my direct possession. If I stop at a gas station or cafe I don't want to leave it in the car. It's in my vault or I can feel it.
If you walk into anywhere with a thigh holster you'll hear the shrieks and go deaf from all the cell phones being dialed "911" at once. Yes, open carry is still legal in ND under very limited circumstances.
But mainly, because if it's not in my vault I want it in my direct possession. If I stop at a gas station or cafe I don't want to leave it in the car. It's in my vault or I can feel it.
unofan
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Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
It's not an increase in mental illness, it's a lack of proper, long-term treatment. The first line of defense for many mentally ill people is jail.
Reagan closing down the majority of mental institutions (by denying them federal funds) may have been the right call given the conditions in most of them, but like many things he did, there was no follow through to deal with the aftermath.
It's not an increase in mental illness, it's a lack of proper, long-term treatment. The first line of defense for many mentally ill people is jail.
Reagan closing down the majority of mental institutions (by denying them federal funds) may have been the right call given the conditions in most of them, but like many things he did, there was no follow through to deal with the aftermath.
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Don't need to hide it from wildlife, but it does permit you to carry. Bigger picture here.
And remote areas? No witnesses for the bad guys to worry about.
Don't need to hide it from wildlife, but it does permit you to carry. Bigger picture here.
And remote areas? No witnesses for the bad guys to worry about.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
The air marshal waiting for the same flight as me really didn't like it when I recognized he was carrying and quietly "dis-sed" him (and all Feds) for their ridiculous love of Sig Sauers. Wearing a sport coat in June flying out of a warm climate airport (PHX or SAN or similar) is kind of a clue.
The air marshal waiting for the same flight as me really didn't like it when I recognized he was carrying and quietly "dis-sed" him (and all Feds) for their ridiculous love of Sig Sauers. Wearing a sport coat in June flying out of a warm climate airport (PHX or SAN or similar) is kind of a clue.
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Although he was a cop, so had special privileges, my uncle carried. Never could tell. He didn't make rookie mistakes like the guy you mentioned.
Although he was a cop, so had special privileges, my uncle carried. Never could tell. He didn't make rookie mistakes like the guy you mentioned.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II
Again, conceal at home, get in car, drive to remote area, work, drive to town for supplies or lunch, drive back to next remote area, work, go to friends? Supper? Back home?
Now, to help you see the problems:
- Having a loaded gun in a vehicle in ND is ILLEGAL unless you have a concealed carry permit.
- I won't leave a weapon in a locked car unless I'm presented no other choice (like having to go into a government building like a post office).
Again, conceal at home, get in car, drive to remote area, work, drive to town for supplies or lunch, drive back to next remote area, work, go to friends? Supper? Back home?
Now, to help you see the problems:
- Having a loaded gun in a vehicle in ND is ILLEGAL unless you have a concealed carry permit.
- I won't leave a weapon in a locked car unless I'm presented no other choice (like having to go into a government building like a post office).
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