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Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

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BassAle said:
I think it's mostly manufactured fear. I think the statistics would show you're in more danger if you carry a loaded weapon. You're more likely to shoot someone accidentally or wrongly than actually need to defend yourself.

Is this the program you listened to?

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/23/48321...and-the-rise-of-the-concealed-carry-lifestyle

For others, I'd listen to the program, not just read the headlines. It touches on how gun makers use fear to justify the concealed carry lifestyle and sell more guns, and once you start carrying a gun you greatly overestimate the number of other people that are armed (which can result in deadly consequences if you feel threatened by someone you think could be armed). Now altercations that wouldn't have amounted to anything significant may end with a shooting.
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I think so. Sounds right.
 
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unofan said:
And we criminalize inciting a riot, making terroristic threats, disturbing the peace, etc. despite the 1st Amendment.
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And legal gun sales have an FBI background check, and go through an FFL, and felons can't own firearms, and folks need a special CCW to carry concealed, extra penalties for crimes committed with a gun, etc. despite the 2nd Amendment.

I'm not in favor of constricting further any right in the Bill of Rights, especially First or Second Amendment rights, and any such actions had better stand up when pressed hard against the Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments.

Slap Shot said:
Come on dude. You're one of the smarter people here from my armchair and it would be nice if you didn't resort to so much bul**it to try and win this point. I think the vast majority of us that believe things are askew are still against any kind of mass restriction on gun ownership, want to rescind or prevent CCW nor think any proposed legislation is the ultimate panacea.
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You're might be right, but those aren't the folks I'm deeply concerned with. I'm worried about the folks (see: Feinstein) that have an end goal in mind. To that end one must point, but not just on firearms but all Bill of Rights rights.

"Some bad person might say something bad so everyone should be made to shut up."
"Some bad person might print something bad so no one should have a printing press."
"Some bad person might do something bad in the name of Islam so ban Islam."
"Some bad person might misuse a firearm so no one should have a firearm."

That third one sounds an awful lot like Republican Trump. That fourth sounds like a particular Democrat senator. The first sounds like campus speech codes.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
"It would be horribly tragic if my ability to protect myself or my family were to be taken away, but that’s exactly what Democrats are determined to do by banning semi-automatic handguns."
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Mother's are happy everywhere they have their 2nd Amendment rights.

A 4-year-old boy was fatally shot by his 6-year-old brother in East Orange, N.J., on Saturday, the authorities said.

The older boy was playing with his mother’s gun at the family’s third-floor apartment on Norman Street when he accidentally shot his brother in the head shortly after 11 a.m., Connie Jackson, a city spokeswoman, said.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/n...d-brother.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
 
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Ten were injured in a California clash with weapons. Why? Because, they were knives. That happens with guns and there's 30 dead.
 
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The biggest issue I find with one of anti-gun arguments is that it claims having a weapon makes you a target. One of the assumptions that it is making is that if you have a weapon, you're going to be out in the open guns-a'blazin'. Any ten-year-old that has played with NERF guns (assuming they're still allowed to manufacture those) could tell you that if you're in the open, you're an easy target, regardless of your weapon status. Find a place to camp out, have some patience, and wait for the good shot.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
The biggest issue I find with one of anti-gun arguments is that it claims having a weapon makes you a target. One of the assumptions that it is making is that if you have a weapon, you're going to be out in the open guns-a'blazin'. Any ten-year-old that has played with NERF guns (assuming they're still allowed to manufacture those) could tell you that if you're in the open, you're an easy target, regardless of your weapon status. Find a place to camp out, have some patience, and wait for the good shot.
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Insofar as anybody makes that argument (and to be honest I haven't heard anyone make it), it goes something like this. You accidentally interrupt bad guy doing his thing. Without gun: bad guy runs. With gun: bad guy shoots you because you might shoot him.

But like I said, it's not an argument I'd make. My argument is go downtown on any Saturday 'round midnight. Just watch Life's Rich Pageant for an hour. I don't want those people carrying guns.
 
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Kepler said:
Insofar as anybody makes that argument (and to be honest I haven't heard anyone make it), it goes something like this. You accidentally interrupt bad guy doing his thing. Without gun: bad guy runs. With gun: bad guy shoots you because you might shoot him.

But like I said, it's not an argument I'd make.
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If you interrupt a bad guy, let him go about his business and give him what he wants.

That's the argument police make. They have a bit of experience in these matters.
 
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5mn_Major said:
If you interrupt a bad guy, let him go about his business and give him what he wants.

That's the argument police make. They have a bit of experience in these matters.
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If anybody breaks into my house while I'm there I'm locking the bathroom door and telling him the wallet's on the dresser and the jewelry's in the closet. It's only money; I don't give a sh-t.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
The biggest issue I find with one of anti-gun arguments is that it claims having a weapon makes you a target. One of the assumptions that it is making is that if you have a weapon, you're going to be out in the open guns-a'blazin'. Any ten-year-old that has played with NERF guns (assuming they're still allowed to manufacture those) could tell you that if you're in the open, you're an easy target, regardless of your weapon status. Find a place to camp out, have some patience, and wait for the good shot.
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That's wrong on so many levels. That's not me saying it. That's my concealed carry instructors. (I've taken classes from different instructors.)
 
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The Sicatoka said:
And everyone in the movies has perfect aim and gets nine shots out of a six-shooter.
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But, unfortunately many people who think they are going to protect themselves watch movies but do not take classes :(
 
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5mn_Major said:
If you interrupt a bad guy, let him go about his business and give him what he wants.

That's the argument police make. They have a bit of experience in these matters.
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Lol. Good luck with that.

http://www.startribune.com/suspect-charged-in-connection-with-violent-home-invasion-robbery/364447261/
 
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