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Days Since Last Mass Shooting: 0 - II

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List or Rampage Killings in the Americas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(Americas)

List of Rampage Killings in Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(Europe)

The Americas list includes 25 killings that took place outside of the USA. Both of these lists go back into the mid 1800s, mostly with one going back to 1540 in the Holy Roman Empire.

Europe and the US are roughly equal in geographical size, with Europe about 300,00 km[SUP]2[/SUP] larger.


The list for the USA isn't complete as it doesn't include the school shootings. Both lists are also heavily skewed towards more recent events, either due to more complete reporting or we're seeing a large negative shift in culture or mental illness.
 
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St. Clown said:
List or Rampage Killings in the Americas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(Americas)

List of Rampage Killings in Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(Europe)

The Americas list includes 25 killings that took place outside of the USA. Both of these lists go back into the mid 1800s, mostly with one going back to 1540 in the Holy Roman Empire.

Europe and the US are roughly equal in geographical size, with Europe about 300,00 km[SUP]2[/SUP] larger.


The list for the USA isn't complete as it doesn't include the school shootings. Both lists are also heavily skewed towards more recent events, either due to more complete reporting or we're seeing a large negative shift in culture or mental illness.
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Yes, IMO. Recognizing mental illness has gone up (so that "cause" is rising), but cultural differences has widened. For example, gang activity/insta-fame status/etc.
 
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St. Clown said:
List or Rampage Killings in the Americas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(Americas)

List of Rampage Killings in Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(Europe)

The Americas list includes 25 killings that took place outside of the USA. Both of these lists go back into the mid 1800s, mostly with one going back to 1540 in the Holy Roman Empire.

Europe and the US are roughly equal in geographical size, with Europe about 300,00 km[SUP]2[/SUP] larger.


The list for the USA isn't complete as it doesn't include the school shootings. Both lists are also heavily skewed towards more recent events, either due to more complete reporting or we're seeing a large negative shift in culture or mental illness.
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Or semi-automatic weapons that make it easier to kill a larger number of people have improved technologically since the mid 1800s.
 
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unofan said:
So now that it looks like the "gunman" was shooting blanks and the injuries were caused by the police's tear gas, would you care to retract this already absurd statement?
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Nope. And it's not absurd.

I believe and agree with SJHovey back here: "As cold as it may sound, they may just be a part of living."

Bad (evil?) people will choose to do harm by whatever tool fits their whim, be it tear gas, gun, fire, sarin, ammonium nitrite ...

The laws we have now are good and should be enforced, but I do have a legal and moral right to self-defense (be it Second Amendment or Catholic Catechism 2264).
 
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jerphisch said:
Or semi-automatic weapons that make it easier to kill a larger number of people have improved technologically since the mid 1800s.
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By recent events, I meant since the 1980s. How does your presumption account for those first 130-140 years where they've included these lists?

Also, for the first 20-30 years of those lists, all rifles were muzzle loaders. Revolvers were the only semi-automatic weapons available until the early 1900s (post WWI, I thnk).
 
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jerphisch said:
Or semi-automatic weapons that make it easier to kill a larger number of people have improved technologically since the mid 1800s.
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And also, security issues. I remember years and years ago, my friends and I wondered what would stop a gunman at a state fair (and in MN, that's a HUGE draw). There's no security, really. Hide a firearm, go to town. I would guess hundreds could perish. It's actually pretty scary if you think about it.
 
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Oh my god. I had never even thought of that. Cripes. Hundreds is probably accurate.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Oh my god. I had never even thought of that. Cripes. Hundreds is probably accurate.
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I know, huh? There are other scenarios, obviously, but that was the one that came to mind that really made it a sobering thought.
 
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Brenthoven said:
And also, security issues. I remember years and years ago, my friends and I wondered what would stop a gunman at a state fair (and in MN, that's a HUGE draw). There's no security, really. Hide a firearm, go to town. I would guess hundreds could perish. It's actually pretty scary if you think about it.
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Does anybody report how many police officers are on site at the MN State Fair at any given time? They're around, and it's not a small number at all. There are just THAT many people there.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Oh my god. I had never even thought of that. Cripes. Hundreds is probably accurate.
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The one that really bothers me is the person who parks in the fire lane in front of a glass front store to "just run in quick" ...

I worry about those cars.
 
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St. Clown said:
Does anybody report how many police officers are on site at the MN State Fair at any given time? They're around, and it's not a small number at all. There are just THAT many people there.
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There are a lot, I don't know the numbers, nor what percentage are undercover. Given the mass amount of people there per day...my guess is still a couple hundred injured/dead. Just because of density of the crowds.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Recognizing mental illness has gone up (so that "cause" is rising)
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Mental illness is at the same it has always been, it's just that it's being more properly classified and diagnosed in the modern era. Freud is a rank amateur (and in some areas, a debunked quack) compared to modern shrinks.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Mental illness is at the same it has always been, it's just that it's being more properly classified and diagnosed in the modern era. Freud is a rank amateur (and in some areas, a debunked quack) compared to modern shrinks.
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Thank you for better explaining it, for real. :)
 
Brenthoven said:
There are a lot, I don't know the numbers, nor what percentage are undercover. Given the mass amount of people there per day...my guess is still a couple hundred injured/dead. Just because of density of the crowds.
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That could happen anywhere their is a crowd, not sure how many cops are around will change it. If the deranged lunatic doesn't care about dying their isn't much you are going to do about it
 
The Sicatoka said:
Nope. And it's not absurd.

I believe and agree with SJHovey back here: "As cold as it may sound, they may just be a part of living."

Bad (evil?) people will choose to do harm by whatever tool fits their whim, be it tear gas, gun, fire, sarin, ammonium nitrite ...

The laws we have now are good and should be enforced, but I do have a legal and moral right to self-defense (be it Second Amendment or Catholic Catechism 2264).
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Given that most of the rest of the industrialized world disagrees, I don't think you have a moral right to a gun. And legally, that can change with a differing interpretation of the second amendment.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Yes, IMO. Recognizing mental illness has gone up (so that "cause" is rising), but cultural differences has widened. For example, gang activity/insta-fame status/etc.
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The Sicatoka said:
Nope. And it's not absurd.

I believe and agree with SJHovey back here: "As cold as it may sound, they may just be a part of living."

Bad (evil?) people will choose to do harm by whatever tool fits their whim, be it tear gas, gun, fire, sarin, ammonium nitrite ...

The laws we have now are good and should be enforced, but I do have a legal and moral right to self-defense (be it Second Amendment or Catholic Catechism 2264).
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unofan said:
Given that most of the rest of the industrialized world disagrees, I don't think you have a moral right to a gun. And legally, that can change with a differing interpretation of the second amendment.
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Was listening to a journalist who wrote a book about the evolution of concealed carry. Was fascinating. Made me think of this thread. He got interested when he had spent time out of country, came back to a country totally different, where it went from no one thinking it was a right or necessary or that we were under threat to a country where people were needing to carry to protect themselves and it was legal in all states.

In the 70's there was a shift in the NRA from telling people they need to be responsible, not everyone needs to carry and infact discouraging this thinking to the current- everyone should carry because they have a right and need to protect themselves. In the 30s the NRA was actively working against the very thing they advocate now. He was discussing the time line and shift in thinking/political mechanations, marketing that went on to get us where we are today. Not pro or anti gun. Just giving time line.

Kind of in line with what I was saying earlier- there is a cultural shift to paranoia where people need to protect themselves in case when before no one would have thought like that. Wish I could remember the guys name. I love the sociology that surrounds the issue.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Nope. And it's not absurd.

I believe and agree with SJHovey back here: "As cold as it may sound, they may just be a part of living."

Bad (evil?) people will choose to do harm by whatever tool fits their whim, be it tear gas, gun, fire, sarin, ammonium nitrite ...

The laws we have now are good and should be enforced, but I do have a legal and moral right to self-defense (be it Second Amendment or Catholic Catechism 2264).
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Who exactly is trying to get rid of your right to self defense? Are you intentionally trying to make your comments more and more ridiculous?
 
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