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D3 Frozen Four
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gojackets
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Re: D3 Frozen Four
It's pretty hard to lose to a top 5 team when they are always in the east
It's pretty hard to lose to a top 5 team when they are always in the east
notfromaroundhere
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Re: D3 Frozen Four
OK, I'll give you top 10...
It's pretty hard to lose to a top 5 team when they are always in the east
OK, I'll give you top 10...
gojackets
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Re: D3 Frozen Four
The NCHA had an AQ last season. There really is no longer a Pool B slot, as there are no teams that do not have a conference, or a conference without 7 teams.
The O'Brien Cup winner is in automatically, the rest of the team has to qualify through the Pool C's. Its not really much different than in the past as the O'Brien winner always got the pool B. It does open the door for say, Marian, to upset and win the O'Brien and make the NCAA's. If that had happened before, the reg season winner would still have probably gotten Pool B.
Next year will be interesting as the NCHA will have 11 teams. With the MIAC's 10, that makes a 28-21 split east-west of D3 teams. I think it will be more common to see a 4-3 split once this happens. Would be nice to get up to the magic number 52, so we can have 8 teams..then the 5-3 split would probably be very common.
The NCHA had an AQ last season. There really is no longer a Pool B slot, as there are no teams that do not have a conference, or a conference without 7 teams.
The O'Brien Cup winner is in automatically, the rest of the team has to qualify through the Pool C's. Its not really much different than in the past as the O'Brien winner always got the pool B. It does open the door for say, Marian, to upset and win the O'Brien and make the NCAA's. If that had happened before, the reg season winner would still have probably gotten Pool B.
Next year will be interesting as the NCHA will have 11 teams. With the MIAC's 10, that makes a 28-21 split east-west of D3 teams. I think it will be more common to see a 4-3 split once this happens. Would be nice to get up to the magic number 52, so we can have 8 teams..then the 5-3 split would probably be very common.
Re: D3 Frozen Four
that's kind of what I thought, it is just that I was looking on here under NCAA D3 womens championship and they only mention 4 AQs, 1 pool B and 2 pool Cs
that's kind of what I thought, it is just that I was looking on here under NCAA D3 womens championship and they only mention 4 AQs, 1 pool B and 2 pool Cs
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: D3 Frozen Four
I'm not sure if the West getting up to 21 teams will make 4-3 splits more common or not. The East still has arguably five or six of the best programs if not best.
The logistics of travel make 5-2 splits much more common IMHO because more than likely you're only going to see a western frozen four once every four years.
It makes more sense travel wise to have 5-2 splits...fair or not. Adding the eighth team though only makes it worse on the west.
The NCAA will look down BIG TIME on creating flights for the first round and with a 5-3 split there has to be a flight.
They have done it before...but very very rarely.
I'm not sure if the West getting up to 21 teams will make 4-3 splits more common or not. The East still has arguably five or six of the best programs if not best.
The logistics of travel make 5-2 splits much more common IMHO because more than likely you're only going to see a western frozen four once every four years.
It makes more sense travel wise to have 5-2 splits...fair or not. Adding the eighth team though only makes it worse on the west.
The NCAA will look down BIG TIME on creating flights for the first round and with a 5-3 split there has to be a flight.
They have done it before...but very very rarely.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: D3 Frozen Four
Whether it's fair or not it won't happen until the western teams PROVE they belong and should host more often or have two worthy teams make the FF.
Do they have a lot of factors going against them? Sure do. But you still would think that just once in eight years if the Western teams were actually as good as the top eastern teams, they would have a won a FF or atleast a few more games at the FF.
Whether it's fair or not it won't happen until the western teams PROVE they belong and should host more often or have two worthy teams make the FF.
Do they have a lot of factors going against them? Sure do. But you still would think that just once in eight years if the Western teams were actually as good as the top eastern teams, they would have a won a FF or atleast a few more games at the FF.
gojackets
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Re: D3 Frozen Four
You ******** do these things to me late at night when I have stuff to do.
01-02 Champ Elmira 26-1-1 (loss & tie to platty)
02-03 Champ Elmira 23-4-2 (losses to wayne state and findley...were they D3?)
03-04 Champ Middlebury (loss to Bowdoin x 2, Elmira, Clarkson)
04-05 Champ Middlebury 26-3-1 (loss to Bowdoin, Elmira, Plattsburgh)
05-06 Champ Middlebury 27-2 ( loss to williams, plattsburgh)
06-07 Champ Plattsburgh 27-0-2
07-08 Champ Plattsburgh 25-3-1 (loss to RIT, Elmira, Mville)
08-09 Champ Amherst 24-5 (loss to Gustavus, UST, Middlebury, RIT)
With the exception of last year...few teams beat any of the National Champs. Ya, if the west was any good they would have beat them, but not many teams in the east did either.
You ******** do these things to me late at night when I have stuff to do.
01-02 Champ Elmira 26-1-1 (loss & tie to platty)
02-03 Champ Elmira 23-4-2 (losses to wayne state and findley...were they D3?)
03-04 Champ Middlebury (loss to Bowdoin x 2, Elmira, Clarkson)
04-05 Champ Middlebury 26-3-1 (loss to Bowdoin, Elmira, Plattsburgh)
05-06 Champ Middlebury 27-2 ( loss to williams, plattsburgh)
06-07 Champ Plattsburgh 27-0-2
07-08 Champ Plattsburgh 25-3-1 (loss to RIT, Elmira, Mville)
08-09 Champ Amherst 24-5 (loss to Gustavus, UST, Middlebury, RIT)
With the exception of last year...few teams beat any of the National Champs. Ya, if the west was any good they would have beat them, but not many teams in the east did either.
lovehockey
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Re: D3 Frozen Four
Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09
Whether it's fair or not it won't happen until the western teams PROVE they belong and should host more often or have two worthy teams make the FF.
Do they have a lot of factors going against them? Sure do. But you still would think that just once in eight years if the Western teams were actually as good as the top eastern teams, they would have a won a FF or atleast a few more games at the FF.
Just a quick thought on this. I first should state that I do root for the West teams to do well each year. With that being said, looking at the thought process here between East and West seems crazy sometimes. Is there a possiblity that both regions have quality hockey teams? I realize there is a difference between D3 and D1 however with this logic, should it be assumed that every team in the East at the D1 level is awful? Or that the only conference that should ever host a D1 National tournament is the WCHA, because they are the only D1 conference that has ever won a National Tournament? My thought is that at both levels D1 and D3 East and West regions have quality teams. To discount the great teams that Mercyhurst, and Harvard, UNH, and others have had over the years is crazy, just because I root for Western teams. Similarily discounting some of the great teams that St Thomas, Stevens Point, River Falls, and Gustavus have had over the years because they have not won a National Tournament seems crazy to me. By looking at some of these arguments in D3 it would appear that giving credit to a quality team regardless of East and West is near impossible. Just my two cents.
Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09
Whether it's fair or not it won't happen until the western teams PROVE they belong and should host more often or have two worthy teams make the FF.
Do they have a lot of factors going against them? Sure do. But you still would think that just once in eight years if the Western teams were actually as good as the top eastern teams, they would have a won a FF or atleast a few more games at the FF.
Just a quick thought on this. I first should state that I do root for the West teams to do well each year. With that being said, looking at the thought process here between East and West seems crazy sometimes. Is there a possiblity that both regions have quality hockey teams? I realize there is a difference between D3 and D1 however with this logic, should it be assumed that every team in the East at the D1 level is awful? Or that the only conference that should ever host a D1 National tournament is the WCHA, because they are the only D1 conference that has ever won a National Tournament? My thought is that at both levels D1 and D3 East and West regions have quality teams. To discount the great teams that Mercyhurst, and Harvard, UNH, and others have had over the years is crazy, just because I root for Western teams. Similarily discounting some of the great teams that St Thomas, Stevens Point, River Falls, and Gustavus have had over the years because they have not won a National Tournament seems crazy to me. By looking at some of these arguments in D3 it would appear that giving credit to a quality team regardless of East and West is near impossible. Just my two cents.
gojackets
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PrezdeJohnson09
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Re: D3 Frozen Four
There was no leaving out.
That's exactly how he meant it.
Ooo I like that....except you left out Superior
There was no leaving out.
That's exactly how he meant it.
gojackets
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Re: D3 Frozen Four
hmmm he/she listed St Thomas..how many final fours has St Thomas been to? 1 less then Superior
There was no leaving out.
That's exactly how he meant it.
hmmm he/she listed St Thomas..how many final fours has St Thomas been to? 1 less then Superior
lovehockey
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Re: D3 Frozen Four
I would have to agree with Superior being on that list as well. Over the years they too have had some very quality teams. Since 03-04 no season with more than 8 loses, pretty good! My intention was not to leave anyone out or highlight the "wrong" teams but to validate there are good teams East or West. Two posts in two days a huge week for me!
I would have to agree with Superior being on that list as well. Over the years they too have had some very quality teams. Since 03-04 no season with more than 8 loses, pretty good! My intention was not to leave anyone out or highlight the "wrong" teams but to validate there are good teams East or West. Two posts in two days a huge week for me!
gojackets
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Re: D3 Frozen Four
I was just joking about the Superior thing. Your post highlighted some problems with the East's superiority complex, that hadn't been mentioned before.
I was just joking about the Superior thing. Your post highlighted some problems with the East's superiority complex, that hadn't been mentioned before.
Re: D3 Frozen Four
Shouldn't we discuss Trinity when talking about the NESCAC? They have a tie and a one-goal loss at Amherst. Should they win at Middlebury (and assuming they take care of the rest of their schedule) and lose in the NESCAC final to Amherst, they have 22 or 23 wins and losses only to Amherst. Their schedule isn't great, but they'd have to be in the discussion, right?
Shouldn't we discuss Trinity when talking about the NESCAC? They have a tie and a one-goal loss at Amherst. Should they win at Middlebury (and assuming they take care of the rest of their schedule) and lose in the NESCAC final to Amherst, they have 22 or 23 wins and losses only to Amherst. Their schedule isn't great, but they'd have to be in the discussion, right?
gojackets
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yes they would be in the discussion. The only thing that might knock them is that they have a pretty weak schedule. The only teams that they play that may be ranked at the end our middlebury and Amherst. If Midd loses more games they might not even be in the rankings. So their SOS will be low and their best case scenario for record against ranked is 2-1-1 which could be good or bad. Its a 63% win percentage...which isn't great.
their non conference schedule is bad... Cortlandx2, Salve, Neumann, Bowdoin, UMB, and Nichols 30-45-5. Salve is 10-3-3 so take that out and its 20-42-2...not good.
yes they would be in the discussion. The only thing that might knock them is that they have a pretty weak schedule. The only teams that they play that may be ranked at the end our middlebury and Amherst. If Midd loses more games they might not even be in the rankings. So their SOS will be low and their best case scenario for record against ranked is 2-1-1 which could be good or bad. Its a 63% win percentage...which isn't great.
their non conference schedule is bad... Cortlandx2, Salve, Neumann, Bowdoin, UMB, and Nichols 30-45-5. Salve is 10-3-3 so take that out and its 20-42-2...not good.
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