COVID-19 - Part 2

[HockeyRef]

The key is to bend the curve Ref. We should be able to that without shutting down the whole country for two or three months. That would destroy the country. It may be selective opening up depending different factors. The stimulus package would help if we are to have any recovery at all.

So no more flattening the curve..bending it?
What does that mean? Noone I listen to has used that term.. Flattening the curve has yet to happen since we do not know what it really is going down. I get that. Agree the stimulus package will help. I suppose testing will be avaiable in a mass quantity so that those areas that "open" do not pose a risk? (There will always be a risk until a vaccine is found and/or immunity starts to occur. We are not there yet.

At this point I think we should value human lives over the almighty dollar...Like I said by his grand opening date of April 12...lots will be known. Perhaps there will be places where the CV hasn't hit. We"ll see. Be well.

Ps..Dan Patrick of Texas thinks older people would gladly sacrifice themselves for the economy? Wtaf..

 

[Darius]

Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

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[HockeyRef]

Coronavirus: US man dies after taking drug he thought stopped virus:
https://www.bbc.com/news/52012242

... had used chloroquine previously as a treatment for their koi fish and still had some remaining in their home. This additive is formulated differently than the drug used to treat malaria...

...Nigerian health officials also issued a warning regarding the drug's misuse after hospitals in Lagos, the nation's capital, began reporting patients suspected of chloroquine poisoning...

...At least three people are believed to be hospitalised and reports have spread of high demand of chloroquine leading to pharmacy shortages...

People who depend on those drugs for lupus etc are having a hard time getting it due to the big rush of people going out to get it. As per that couple you mention? They wont be the last good grief!!

 

[e.cat]

So no more flattening the curve..bending it?
What does that mean? Noone I listen to has used that term.. Flattening the curve has yet to happen since we do not know what it really is going down. I get that. Agree the stimulus package will help. I suppose testing will be avaiable in a mass quantity so that those areas that "open" do not pose a risk? (There will always be a risk until a vaccine is found and/or immunity starts to occur. We are not there yet.

At this point I think we should value human lives over the almighty dollar...Like I said by his grand opening date of April 12...lots will be known. Perhaps there will be places where the CV hasn't hit. We"ll see. Be well.

Ps..Dan Patrick of Texas thinks older people would gladly sacrifice themselves for the economy? Wtaf..

Flattening the curve is good but bending it down is better.

Lives will hang in the balance if the economy tanks Ref. It's not about the almighty dollar. It's about paying your bills and putting food on the table. It's a balancing act now. We can't throw the baby out with the bathwater. The ramifications of a Great Depression like meltdown would probably increase the risk of future pandemics worse than what we are dealing with now.

 

[HockeyRef]

*** Bulletin *** *** Bulletin *** *** Bulletin ***

Upcoming Events
5:30 PM EDT
Members of the Coronavirus Task Force Hold a Press Briefing
The White House

https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/

Fauci is going to be there..

 

[HockeyRef]

Flattening the curve is good but bending it down is better.

Lives will hang in the balance if the economy tanks Ref. It's not about the almighty dollar. It's about paying your bills and putting food on the table. It's a balancing act now. We can't throw the baby out with the bathwater. The ramifications of a Great Depression like meltdown would probably increase the risk of future pandemics worse than what we are dealing with now.

Well I hear your point about paying the bills..its too bad to be in this double edged sword. Wishing the best possible outcome for all.

 

[Slap Shot]

The key is to bend the curve Ref. We should be able to that without shutting down the whole country for two or three months. That would destroy the country. It may be selective opening up depending different factors. The stimulus package would help if we are to have any recovery at all.

Why should we be able to without significant social distancing, And why are you so convinced doing so would destroy the country?

 

[e.cat]

Why should we be able to without significant social distancing, And why are you so convinced doing so would destroy the country?

I think we should be selective. Hotspots should not just be social distancing but stay in lockdown per individual state mandates. What's good for South Dakota is probably not good for New York or Washington state. We should continue to be surgical with preventions and mandates and not do a countrywide shutdown. IMO that would be a disaster.

 

[BassAle]

I think we should be selective. Hotspots should not just be social distancing but stay in lockdown per individual state mandates. What's good for South Dakota is probably not good for New York or Washington state. We should continue to be surgical with preventions and mandates and not do a countrywide shutdown. IMO that would be a disaster.

There are now more confirmed cases in my small state (just over 100) than there was in the entire country March 1. Without shutting nearly everything down in a few weeks we will have thousands, then tens of thousands. By April our hospitals will be triaging.

It’s now too late to avoid a nation wide shutdown. I don’t think people appreciate exponential growth.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-us-missed-chance-to-avoid-coronavirus-shutdown-2020-3%3famp

My company is committed to mandatory work from home for everyone that can for at least 6-8 weeks. We are even talking about how we are going to recruit and onboard new hires 100% remotely. We are considered essential and have lab people, animal care, facilities, etc that have to be onsite but we’ve reduced on-site research staff by 75%

 

[e.cat]

There are now more confirmed cases in my small state (just over 100) than there was in the entire country March 1. Without shutting nearly everything down in a few weeks we will have thousands, then tens of thousands. By April our hospitals will be triaging.

It’s now too late to avoid a nation wide shutdown.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-us-missed-chance-to-avoid-coronavirus-shutdown-2020-3%3famp

My company is committed to mandatory work from home for everyone that can for at least 6-8 weeks. We are even talking about how we are going to recruit and onboard new hires 100% remotely. We are considered essential and have lab people, animal care, facilities, etc that have to be onsite but we’ve reduced on-site research staff by 75%

Well, I read Gov Mills edict for a statewide shutdown in Maine and it looks to me like essential workers includes a lot of people. Not worth the paper it's written on! Correct me if I'm wrong but there are no deaths in Maine related to covid 19 to date. Her edict is more window dressing than anything else.

 

[HockeyRef]

Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

There are now more confirmed cases in my small state (just over 100) than there was in the entire country March 1. Without shutting nearly everything down in a few weeks we will have thousands, then tens of thousands. By April our hospitals will be triaging.

It’s now too late to avoid a nation wide shutdown. I don’t think people appreciate exponential growth.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bu...ance-to-avoid-coronavirus-shutdown-2020-3?amp

My company is committed to mandatory work from home for everyone that can for at least 6-8 weeks. We are even talking about how we are going to recruit and onboard new hires 100% remotely. We are considered essential and have lab people, animal care, facilities, etc that have to be onsite but we’ve reduced on-site research staff by 75%

This is the missing piece, at least I think, that really tells the story. Example..saw a table today about last week, 87 cases per million in New York. Today? Last week in my county in NH there were 2 cases. This week, there's 7 more. Super small sample size, I know. Another thought, when we distance ourselves from the story happening elsewhere, and don't apply it to ourselves, it's just a matter of time before you have to. Makes you think. Be well. Social distancing, massive amounts of testing, and the obvious, wash your hands.

 

[BassAle]

Well, I read Gov Mills edict for a statewide shutdown in Maine and it looks to me like essential workers includes a lot of people. Not worth the paper it's written on! Correct me if I'm wrong but there are no deaths in Maine related to covid 19 to date. Her edict is more window dressing than anything else.

If you wait until people start dying it’s too late. You don’t understand how quickly this will get out of control.

We modeled this at work. Without changing current trends (hopefully the closures do) the US was on track to break 100k this week and 1.5M a week later. If 2% of diagnosed cases eventually die, that’s 30k deaths — but it’s not going to stop there. If diagnosed cases are doubling every 2-3 days I’ll let you do the math to see where we will be at Easter. With no immunity and without severe social distancing eventually most people will become infected.

 

[BassAle]

Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

Many states are a couple weeks (or less) away from being New York. New York is a week or two away from being Italy.

 

[HockeyRef]

Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

....there are no deaths YET in my town, my school, my county, my state. YET = You're Eligible Too
That's what I teach my kids (high school) about the " I haven't gotten busted, yet, or pregnant, yet (am a health teacher). We all have thought YET about something. I hope the coronavirus, isn't one of them.

Ps...here's an article about how we could get back into the game if we did a few namely things, like, protect the vulnerable. (there's a concept for this country) Anyway, he's kind of light on the how, but, just
want to show I can consider other POV...lol would love commentary on this article if you're interested...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/opinion/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

 

[Fishman'81]

Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

Many states are a couple weeks (or less) away from being New York. New York is a week or two away from being Italy.

Both of your posts are spot-on.

This thing is going to surge in a huge way here in NY very shortly, and then it'll spill-over to other surges in neighboring States. Even Maine, at some point.

My conscience won't allow me to stay home, as much as I want to. I've pulled my scrubs out of dry-storage and have to come back from retirement to ventilate 2 people with one unit. We'll see how that goes.

The rest of you stay home, aside from the essential workers. Maybe we can ride this out, a la the ROK.

 

[e.cat]

Many states are a couple weeks (or less) away from being New York. New York is a week or two away from being Italy.

I'm not sure what you are advocating for though BassAle. I have tried to be clear that I am not in favor of a national shutdown. It seems to me that Janet Mills shutdown is woefully inadequate and not warranted to begin with If that's all she's going to do.

 

[BassAle]

I'm not sure what you are advocating for though BassAle. I have tried to be clear that I am not in favor of a national shutdown. It seems to me that Janet Mills shutdown is woefully inadequate and not warranted to begin with If that's all she's going to do.

A national shutdown for ~10 weeks while we ramp up testing capacity and production of PPE and ventilators is likely necessary, and waiting is not an option.

Mills shutdown might be inadequate but it is absolutely warranted for anyone that understands basic math.

 

[LTsatch]

Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

Ps..Dan Patrick of Texas thinks older people would gladly sacrifice themselves for the economy? Wtaf..

It will also take care of all of those long-lived geezers sucking up pension plans and social security. Line em up like a Jim Jones rally!

 

[HockeyRef]

Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

Both of your posts are spot-on.

This thing is going to surge in a huge way here in NY very shortly, and then it'll spill-over to other surges in neighboring States. Even Maine, at some point.

My conscience won't allow me to stay home, as much as I want to. I've pulled my scrubs out of dry-storage and have to come back from retirement to ventilate 2 people with one unit. We'll see how that goes.

The rest of you stay home, aside from the essential workers. Maybe we can ride this out, a la the ROK.

Thank you for doing this...would love to hear more from you as this goes on about what's going on in the field. My niece (respiratory therapist in Boston) says they are bracing themselves...any day now.

 

[HockeyRef]

Re: COVID-19 - Part 2

It will also take care of all of those long-lived geezers sucking up pension plans and social security. Line em up like a Jim Jones rally!

Gee, funny you mention that...as Glenn Beck says tonight he's game...