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Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

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For two years, covid alarmists have presumed their righteousness.

What is noble about spending two years chasing an unachievable goal... scaring families, hurting children, destroying livelihoods, and pushing 100 million into poverty?

Covidians are a fucking disgrace.
 
Slap Shot said:
One lingering concern is the increase in cases of long covid.
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This report- https://ukhsa.koha-ptfs.co.uk/cgi-bin/koha/opac-retrieve-file.pl?id=fe4f10cd3cd509fe045ad4f72ae0dfff suggests that there is more risk to the unvaccinated than the vaccinated. Maybe some of the specialists can break down the numbers, but less is less. Less likely to be symptomatic in the first place, and then less likely to turn that into long covid if it is symptomatic.

So the population can reduce the risk and numbers by just getting vaccinated. Which is a suggestion that has been ignored for over a year now. Not just ignored, but fought against.
 
Seeing that local mask mandates are being lifted in many large population areas. Hope that's a good sign of the future. I have cautious optimism.
 
Great, my company is declaring victory. Our mask mandates, health screening upon entry, and limited meeting sizes will be a thing of the past starting tomorrow. It's not like we still have 10,000+ Michiganders testing positive each week, hundreds still dying each week, an employee that passed away from Covid in the last month, or one in the hospital last week with Covid.

I'm not looking forward to coming into work the rest of the week, nor telling my husband who works from home and is still worried for our two year old.
 
Swansong said:
Positive rate in MA under 2%, numbers the best they've been since prior to Delta.


Just in time for World War III.
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It will be interesting if kids not wearing masks in school makes a difference. Based on what has happened so far things will probably be decent for a short period of time and then will spike again.
 
Drew S. said:
It will be interesting if kids not wearing masks in school makes a difference. Based on what has happened so far things will probably be decent for a short period of time and then will spike again.
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I'm not sure we'll ever get a "spike", short of a new and awful variant. Omicron burns so hot that there's virtually no one left that's truly immune naive, and for so many people to have very recent infections/antibodies, there will be - hopefully - some time of relative peace. Again, short of the next variant steamrolling through (of which there is none on the horizon), we won't see a substantial increase until this fall. Or late summer in the southern areas where they go inside due to heat. Basically, it will approximately become seasonal.



For some perspective, the last time numbers were like this, Delta was menacing us from India, the UK and others. The time before that (summer/fall of 2020), a 1-2 punch of Alpha/Beta variants plus seasonal behavioral changes ushered in that wave (pre-vaccine as well).


I feel genuinely hopeful for the first time since about April/May of 2021.
 
Wednesday numbers in MA continue the downward trajectory. Lower testing volume but positive rate continues to drop (down to 1.85%), as do the raw case counts. Hospitalizations seem to be about stable the last few days, but like 1/9th of the Omicron peak.
 
How long are antibodies sticking around after someone gets over an infection? Are we gonna reach a point where people will get sick for a 2nd time or is this truly like Chicken Pox and a One and Done kind of thing?
 
RaceBoarder said:
How long are antibodies sticking around after someone gets over an infection? Are we gonna reach a point where people will get sick for a 2nd time or is this truly like Chicken Pox and a One and Done kind of thing?
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Depends on a number of factors. I don't think it's forever like chicken pox. If it's the same strain, probably 12-24 months. I thought I remember reading that coronaviruses tend to be around a year or two. Different strain, roll of the dice.

You'll still t-cell and b-cell immune response, so it's not like you'll be totally immune naive. Might just be a bad cold or influenza-like illness. But honestly, we haven't had the time to really study how cyclical this is to have a definitive answer.

I'm sure Swan or DGF will chime in with a better answer than this.

(So why did I type it? I don't know... Why does a dog lick his balls?)
 
RaceBoarder said:
How long are antibodies sticking around after someone gets over an infection? Are we gonna reach a point where people will get sick for a 2nd time or is this truly like Chicken Pox and a One and Done kind of thing?
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Pro cyclist Fernando Gaviria has had it three times now.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Depends on a number of factors. I don't think it's forever like chicken pox. If it's the same strain, probably 12-24 months. I thought I remember reading that coronaviruses tend to be around a year or two. Different strain, roll of the dice.

You'll still t-cell and b-cell immune response, so it's not like you'll be totally immune naive. Might just be a bad cold or influenza-like illness. But honestly, we haven't had the time to really study how cyclical this is to have a definitive answer.

I'm sure Swan or DGF will chime in with a better answer than this.

(So why did I type it? I don't know... Why does a dog lick his balls?)
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You get it pretty good here, at least to my understanding. Every virus is different, even within families/strains. Lots of people have gotten Covid multiple times, but whether that's due to bad luck, amount of virus particles absorbed at the time of secondary infection (I'm explaining this inelegantly - but basically, did you get a tiny whiff of an infected person's breath at the store or were you in a small room with them for 6 hours), "waning antibodies", bad luck or space aliens, it's tough to tell on an individual risk basis.

There is competing data on whether a second infection is more or less severe, but it's tough to tell when you have so many changing factors that, right now, you're seldom comparing apples to apples. Comparing delta severity to omicron severity in infections will yield different results, for example. Also, are we balancing vaccination status among them? It will be some time before the noise is filtered out of this data.



All of this, in my opinion, sums up these (likely) truisms:
  • Covid is never "going away". It will be part of the human experience for a long, long time.
  • Due to societally developed immunity (I'm talking population-level here, not your own specific health situatin), we'll soon reach the herd immunity threshhold (some communities are likely there).
  • It will most likely become a seasonal issue, but spread/severity are totally unknown as of yet.
  • Vaccinated people will have much better outcomes whether Covid is endemic or not.
 
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