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Covfefe-19 The 11th Part: Suck It Up And Die Grandpa I Need A Manicure!!

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ScoobyDoo said:
I heard about this this morning. I figured it was posted by now. This is something else. But, hey, we ARE the nation of belief in spirits and disbelief in facts.
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Now, we are not. Some f-cktards who live here and vote R are. The rest of us can read and reason.
 
alfablue said:
If the employer knows that a person is sick/infected, how do they let them back to work?

I’m not infected, but I’m not allowed back to work....
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This tension is obvious in my company's progressively more self-contradictory emails, which encourage us to come back as soon as we're called and warn us if we're unsure of our exposure to stay away.

WE OWN YOU AND WILL RISK YOUR WORK UNIT "LIFE" TO GENERATE OUR PROFITS BUT YOU MUST NOT INFECT OTHER WORK UNITS AND ENDANGER OUR PROFITS!!!

Terminal stage capitalism is funny.
 
Kepler said:
This tension is obvious in my company's progressively more self-contradictory emails, which encourage us to come back as soon as we're called and warn us if we're unsure of our exposure to stay away.

WE OWN YOU AND WILL RISK YOUR WORK UNIT "LIFE" TO GENERATE OUR PROFITS BUT YOU MUST NOT INFECT OTHER WORK UNITS AND ENDANGER OUR PROFITS!!!

Terminal stage capitalism is funny.
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What is your solution/suggestion for what they (or I guess any employer) should do?
 
SJHovey said:
What is your solution/suggestion for what they (or I guess any employer) should do?
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A huge amount of people can work from home.

Separating people very deliberately can be done: distancing, ppe, separations.

Checks can constantly be done, including contact tracing and on person monitoring.

And it must be 100% clear that if you are sick, stay home. Companies need sick pay to keep sick people home.

It’s not hard to take an employee slant on the workplace.
 
SJHovey said:
What is your solution/suggestion for what they (or I guess any employer) should do?
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The employer should grind us down to the nub and throw us out. If they can kill enough of their older workers they will reduce their pension commitments. That is the inexorable logic of money under this system, and the employer has made his choice.

For the employee, jobs are like electricity. They are valuable -- even necessary in a coercive economy -- but must be handled with care or they will harm or kill you. Employers have taken a vow of sociopathy, so we should approach them as such -- as trained killer dogs. We can use them, as they use us, but never trust them and never give them a scintilla more than we are legally required to. They aren't an enemy -- they have no animus towards us, they are simply without empathy -- but they are a predator looking after itself, and we must keep that in mind.

It's a plantation. The employee is the laborer. Management is the overseer. Ownership is the slaveholder. Each role has its own interests.

If it's sooooooooooooo hard to be the owner, come on down and grab a scythe and start cutting cane.
 
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Kepler said:
The employer should grind us down to the nub and throw us out. If they can kill enough of their older workers they will reduce their pension commitments. That is the inexorable logic of money under this system, and the employer has made his choice.

For the employee, jobs are like electricity. They are valuable -- even necessary in a coercive economy -- but must be handled with care or they will harm or kill you. Employers have taken a vow of sociopathy, so we should approach them as such -- as trained killer dogs. We can use them, as they use us, but never trust them and never give them a scintilla more than we are legally required to. They aren't an enemy -- they have no animus towards us, they are simply without empathy -- but they are a predator looking after itself, and we must keep that in mind.

It's a plantation. The employee is the laborer. Management is the overseer. Ownership is the slaveholder. Each role has its own interests.

If it's sooooooooooooo hard to be the owner, come on down and grab a scythe and start cutting cane.
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My question wasn't intended as a sarcastic one. I'm legitimately interested in peoples ideas for what employers can do. It's a hard problem for them. As alfa noted, some employees can easily perform their job from home, so yeah there is no point in bringing those people back. With others, not so much. I have no idea about your personal job situation.

As an employer, I think all you can do is bring them back unless the job can be performed from home, try to keep them isolated from other employees to the extent the job permits it, make safety gear, equipment, etc..., available where appropriate, and tell them under no circumstances are they to come in if sick, or if exposed to someone who is.

I guess all I am saying is that I struggled to see the contradictory nature of your employers emails to the employees (granted I haven't seen the emails themselves).
 
SJHovey said:
My question wasn't intended as a sarcastic one. I'm legitimately interested in peoples ideas for what employers can do. It's a hard problem for them. As alfa noted, some employees can easily perform their job from home, so yeah there is no point in bringing those people back. With others, not so much. I have no idea about your personal job situation.

As an employer, I think all you can do is bring them back unless the job can be performed from home, try to keep them isolated from other employees to the extent the job permits it, make safety gear, equipment, etc..., available where appropriate, and tell them under no circumstances are they to come in if sick, or if exposed to someone who is.

I guess all I am saying is that I struggled to see the contradictory nature of your employers emails to the employees (granted I haven't seen the emails themselves).
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We have many jobs that can be done from home and our employer is bringing people back anyway. Cause of productivity concerns. The thinking is we have contact tracing, thermometers, and hand sanitizer. We're good.

I think that is insane but I need my paycheck and I was here every day anyway cause I am on the team that maintains the technologies that allow people to work from home in the first place.
 
SJHovey said:
I guess all I am saying is that I struggled to see the contradictory nature of your employers emails to the employees (granted I haven't seen the emails themselves).
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I was not criticizing the employer -- I think he is caught between two legitimately contradictory needs: push people back to work ASAP to generate bookings, but also keep em separated to reduce downtime.

The employer has a revenue problem.

Of course, the employee has a life or death problem.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Never trust a guy named "Brantley"
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(Not often I get to use a Secret of My Success gif)
 
The knucks will cite "lower death rates" as a victory, ignoring the likelihood deaths are being under-reported from covid. Is it any coincidence deaths attributed to pneumonia have (not so mysteriously) rocketed this year?
 
So if you want to get an idea of how little real progress has been made in 700 years, go watch Time Ghost History's three part series on Pandemics on the tube of u's. Very interesting, and a little hard to hear history repeat itself.
 
Slap Shot said:
The knucks will cite "lower death rates" as a victory, ignoring the likelihood deaths are being under-reported from covid. Is it any coincidence deaths attributed to pneumonia have (not so mysteriously) rocketed this year?
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dx and I had this conversation a month or two ago. It's going to be really hard to get an accurate count of covid deaths. First, what is a covid death? Lots of people die from multiple causes. Frequently it can be a combination of things, and the question is what role did Covid play.

dx suggested, and I agree, that we're going to have to look back on this and see how deaths in the country changed from what is the average or expected death toll in the country for the year to see the true impact, but even then will we have an accurate picture? Let's say we're 200,000 above average for 2020. Does that mean there were 200,000 deaths from Covid? Not necessarily. We might have experienced a big drop in workplace deaths or car accidents, or maybe the opposite. Maybe we experienced more suicides than normal but fewer gun deaths. It's going to take some serious work to try to figure it out.

Last time I checked the US as a whole was running at about 103% of normal deaths for the year, with some states like NY way above average and others way below.
 
SJHovey said:
Last time I checked the US as a whole was running at about 103% of normal deaths for the year, with some states like NY way above average and others way below.
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No one expects 100% accuracy, but in all likelihood the numbers are being fudged down.

As far as "103%" to the norm I'm willing to bet there's been a dropoff on several fronts due to people on the whole staying at home more often than not. Workplace accidents, accidental deaths from elective surgeries, crime/barroom brawls, car accidents...
 
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